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[Legal] Honorbuddy to be not allowed for sale in Germany, if Blizzard pays ...
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Liferose
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I believe in some parts of the USA certain things have arranging time limits depending on what it is, but that's comparing apples to oranges in terms of legal systems.
I would just leave it at the idea this is a court battle, and as we are on the defending side we get the luxury of (hopefully) years.
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I wasn't going to post in this. But since the debate about wow going down, came up, I'll just throw out an obvious. Basically Blizzard has 8 million players still. Approx. a revenue of 120 mil dollars a month. That is down from the all time high of 11 million. 650,000 Euro is $853,970.00usd, not a small chunk of change at all, but one Blizzard will absorb easily.
Now let's say that Blizz lost another 3 million subscribers. The simple math shows, that the monthly revenue just from 5 million subscribers would be in the neighborhood of $75,000,000. 00 USD a month. I hardly think Blizzard is ready to just throw in a 75 million dollar towel, just because they lost a bit of its subscriber base. I'm pretty sure, they'd like the number back up to 11 mil subscribers, but they can manage quite well, even if it's base went to 3 mil. subscribers. They may shut down some servers if it goes down that far, but I doubt that they'd just throw in the towel completely. 3 mil people throwing a fit isn't something I think they want to try really. Nor do I think they'd still want to loos even 45 mil monthly revenue. And don't forget! Blizzard doesn't just have World of Warcraft. Meaning, that like many other big businesses, they'd just bleed money into it from one of their many other endeavors. Wow is still hands down, one of the best games there is. It's in the top 5 games of mmo games even with its outdated graphic engine. Many have tried to best it and failed and many will continue to try and fail. World of Warcraft isn't going anywhere, any time soon. Yeah some botters may quit if Hb loses this law suit . But don't fool yourself into thinking Wow will go away, just because (in the lime light of a 8 mil subscriber base) a hand full of botters decides to quit subscribing. I have no numbers, but I'll step out on a limb and say; I'll bet there's more subscribers playing wow that don't bot than do.
Now let's say that Blizz lost another 3 million subscribers. The simple math shows, that the monthly revenue just from 5 million subscribers would be in the neighborhood of $75,000,000. 00 USD a month. I hardly think Blizzard is ready to just throw in a 75 million dollar towel, just because they lost a bit of its subscriber base. I'm pretty sure, they'd like the number back up to 11 mil subscribers, but they can manage quite well, even if it's base went to 3 mil. subscribers. They may shut down some servers if it goes down that far, but I doubt that they'd just throw in the towel completely. 3 mil people throwing a fit isn't something I think they want to try really. Nor do I think they'd still want to loos even 45 mil monthly revenue. And don't forget! Blizzard doesn't just have World of Warcraft. Meaning, that like many other big businesses, they'd just bleed money into it from one of their many other endeavors. Wow is still hands down, one of the best games there is. It's in the top 5 games of mmo games even with its outdated graphic engine. Many have tried to best it and failed and many will continue to try and fail. World of Warcraft isn't going anywhere, any time soon. Yeah some botters may quit if Hb loses this law suit . But don't fool yourself into thinking Wow will go away, just because (in the lime light of a 8 mil subscriber base) a hand full of botters decides to quit subscribing. I have no numbers, but I'll step out on a limb and say; I'll bet there's more subscribers playing wow that don't bot than do.
I'm no laywer but depending to ? 113 ZPO the count has to say how long blizzard have to pay the fee.
But I haven't seen something like that in the public decision. Maybe we don't know it or my research was wrong.
@HB5326D21:
You are right. But you should remember two thinks. First there is no need to close server. Blizzards implement something like a virtual server
and the servers get cheater every day (and now the old wow server wouldn't have enough power for newer games, but still they can use them for other low thinks like hosting web pags etc.)
The second thing is it isn't important how many subscriber wow has. Its more important how the ratio between income and outcome is. If you are able to have 60 % win of the income its a better game than a 1 % income even if the 1% income Game lets earn you 5 million $ a day (look to basel 2 or basel 3).
This sould only be a addendum I don't say you are wrong. I would come to the same conclusion like you ;-)
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I agree that it's about ratio too. But at present and, in lue of not seeing Blizzard actively and seemingly dropping ban hammers. I can see nothing coming in the near future that's going to make them go belly up and close down wow. I hardly doubt running Wow, with even just a 3 million subscriber base would cost Blizzard anywhere near 45 mil dollars a month to run some servers using virtual servers and t1 lines. When wow began it took some time in vanilla to get even a 3 million subscriber base. Albeit of course they were just starting. Don't get me wrong! I have no favor toward any dictator company that tells me I can't use what I pay for in a manner of which I want. And Blizzard is such a company. I can just see me going to the store and buying a scope for one of my long guns and the scope company then dictating to me, that I can't put the cross hairs on a deer. This is to say, that loosing my mind is a gross understatement, if the scope company tried such a thing. A crusader against them, I would become.
I agree that it's about ratio too. But at present and, in lue of not seeing Blizzard actively and seemingly dropping ban hammers. I can see nothing coming in the near future that's going to make them go belly up and close down wow. I hardly doubt running Wow, with even just a 3 million subscriber base would cost Blizzard anywhere near 45 mil dollars a month to run some servers using virtual servers and t1 lines. When wow began it took some time in vanilla to get even a 3 million subscriber base. Albeit of course they were just starting. Don't get me wrong! I have no favor toward any dictator company that tells me I can't use what I pay for in a manner of which I want. And Blizzard is such a company. I can just see me going to the store and buying a scope for one of my long guns and the scope company then dictating to me, that I can't put the cross hairs on a deer. This is to say, that loosing my mind is a gross understatement, if the scope company tried such a thing. A crusader against them, I would become.
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The calculation is wrong. A lot of subscribers are from the asia-pacific region where Blizz has an own Chinese company running their own system and have different (lower) monthly fees.
So simply calculating the amount of gamers * fee does not work because not all pay the same but yeah you are right. Pay it and ban botters will mean loose payments from botter and loose also legit players
when they cannot by gold anymore or auction house prices go up like crazy
Let's see what happens!
So simply calculating the amount of gamers * fee does not work because not all pay the same but yeah you are right. Pay it and ban botters will mean loose payments from botter and loose also legit players
when they cannot by gold anymore or auction house prices go up like crazy
Let's see what happens!
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Wish Bossland to win ! But odds are slim due to Botting is simply just not allowed by game rules. And program is made only for one purpose. To break the rules. Very hard fight to win. Unless you made it a cover up to be a bot for private servers only then you could have a winning chance.
But odds are slim due to Botting is simply just not allowed by game rules. And program is made only for one purpose. To break the rules. Very hard fight to win. Unless you made it a cover up to be a bot for private servers only then you could have a winning chance.
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Guaranteed that most subscribers to wow are not leaving because of bots, but to find a different mmo that provides players more depth in gaming... wow is OLD for most people and there hasn't been any original content introduced into the game since BC.
Also, your figures are all wrong. Blizzard counts trial accounts, overseas accounts, everything... they are not providing legit numbers.
No one knows the actual numbers except Blizz. But the point made, was a rational legitimate one. Who cares if the numbers are off! Blizzard is making plenty of money in any case and that was the point made. Was no need to say someone was wrong in numbers, when the points that were being made are valid and even those pointing a finger saying "oh look your numbers are wrong, nanner, nanner, nanner!" have no more of any idea of the right numbers than anyone other than Blizzard. Wow isn't going anywhere. Not for some time to come anyway. Sheesh they are getting ready in the next few weeks to add another major patch to Pok?mon wow. That sure doesn't seem like a move of evidence that Blizz is going down the tube. Might be a hale Mary move hoping to get back players or not to loose anymore. But it's going nowhere.
Side note pointed at another post back some pages.
All the bot allows for me to do, is to not have to sit at the computer for hours farming. But, I can farm manually a lot faster then it can.
For instance. If I need thick or rugged leather, all I have to do, is get on a lvl 70 to lvl 90 that can skin, go to Sunken Temple, round up all the dragonkins, one shot em, spend about 3 min skinning them, go out and do it over again until I get what I need. In 15 min., I know by manually doing that, as opposed to running a gb2 or grind profile, I will get far more leather in that 15 min. time then I would with HB running an hour. But HB is good to afk with. No doubt about that!
Side note pointed at another post back some pages.
All the bot allows for me to do, is to not have to sit at the computer for hours farming. But, I can farm manually a lot faster then it can.
For instance. If I need thick or rugged leather, all I have to do, is get on a lvl 70 to lvl 90 that can skin, go to Sunken Temple, round up all the dragonkins, one shot em, spend about 3 min skinning them, go out and do it over again until I get what I need. In 15 min., I know by manually doing that, as opposed to running a gb2 or grind profile, I will get far more leather in that 15 min. time then I would with HB running an hour. But HB is good to afk with. No doubt about that!
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Nope, the numbers must be actual numbers, otherwise its considered fraud, in the United States. If the Supreme Court, also IRS, found out Blizzard smudged the numbers, a hefty fine or more. United States laws still still apply to any US based Company and individual (from the US), whether it's business or pleasure, in any country.
The points being made are far from valid.
You clearly took my post out of context.
The thread was to those making claim WoW was going down. That the game will soon no longer exist. And the points that were made were valid even if the numbers I put up were wrong. No one is arguing or suggesting, that Blizzard doesn't tell the truth to IRS or any other government affiliation that would have a need to know reason. We (all of us in this thread and players of the game) DO NOT have a legal legitimate need to know reason, hence why all my numbers are guesses, just like anyone else's numbers would be nothing but a speculation/guess, since of the aforementioned reason.
So everything I said is valid, unless you or anyone else can give any real and substantial evidence (via a Blue post from Blizzard them self), that the game of WoW is going away anytime soon. If none exist, (which none does) then anyone claiming wow is going away soon is doing nothing less, than maybe wishful thinking or hoping it will. No evidence exists, so therefore my words are valid even if my guessing numbers are wrong.
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We don't have all the details yet but it appears that Blizzard has paid the ?650,000 and the enforcement procedure is in place blocking German sales and auth now.
To all our German users, we are sorry. We will have a proper statement after consulting with our lawyer tomorrow.
To all our German users, we are sorry. We will have a proper statement after consulting with our lawyer tomorrow.
das heist........................Wir haben nicht alle die Details noch nicht, aber es scheint, dass Blizzard hat die 650.000 ? und das Vollstreckungsverfahren ist in Ort Blockierung deutschen Vertriebs-und auth jetzt bezahlt.
An alle unsere deutschen Nutzer, es tut uns leid. Wir werden eine richtige Aussage nach R?cksprache mit unserem Anwalt morgen haben.
An alle unsere deutschen Nutzer, es tut uns leid. Wir werden eine richtige Aussage nach R?cksprache mit unserem Anwalt morgen haben.
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