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TuanHA Paladin - The Ultimate Experience

Ok i´m testin right now with sefless healer. But why inst Word of Glory activated in his CR Saving file? Is there any idea behind?
 
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WoG is fine as well, and I use it occasionally. It's just rare (for me) to:

  1. Have one person low enough to benefit from a WoG, but the rest of the raid is topped-up, and
  2. I don't have 1-3 stacks of SH for a fast Flash Heal, and
  3. Holy Shock or IoL Holy Light aren't available

The biggest issue with Selfless Healer is that it's not "free": you literally end up with too many things to do and bump your head, and your output is eventually throttled because you're basically burning a GCD every few seconds on Judgment. Under those circumstances, I have a hard time justifying WoG when there's a bunch of other things I could do that work nearly as well and don't gobble up my Holy Power.

That said, I play with a weird group that lacks the usual "top-up" healers (Druid, Monk, etc.) so I see a lot less overheal from LoD than most people. I also have the 2pc T17 but not the 4pc (yet), so that also factors in.

EDIT: I just saw your edit. I'm not certain why it's not activated in his settings, but I would imagine that it's just to simplify things. When I have LoD and WoG both activated, it's rare that the CR satisfies the conditions to cast WoG. If you like Light of Dawn as a spell (and I realize that a lot of people have hated it ever since ToT), Selfless Healer puts it back in your toolkit, so you might as well use it.
 
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Kirino said:
While EF is mathematically superior to Selfless Healer, TuanHA's CR does a good job of getting great healing out of a subpar spec. In my experience, EF benefits from clever placement on raid members, and you can't expect an automated rotation to get it on the "right" people 100% of the time.

SH works well with TuanHA's CR for a few reasons:
  • Simplification: One of the biggest dings against SH is that it requires you to basically be judging the target on CD, which imparts unnecessary overhead on the healer. The CR handles this automatically.
  • Reaction Time: CR's have a huge advantage in terms of reaction time. I've found that this CR takes advantage of the fast/instant (and cheap!) Flash Heals from SH moreso than intelligent usage of EF/SS. Your mileage may vary, of course, but being able to "snipe" tank heals by slamming a huge, instant flash heal into the tank is arguably more useful than the constant stream of tiny healing ticks from EF, even if those little ticks of healing look good on the meters.
  • Mana Efficiency: This is probably a consequence of gear, but the mana efficiency of SH is great, because it allows you to use Holy Radiance; EF/SS usually ignores it completely due to the mana cost and inefficiencies. It's still not a great spell...but it's not awful if you're coupling it with IoL procs in certain situations.
  • Light of Dawn: Spamming LoD is nice (meter-wise) in raid damage-heavy encounters (which is basically everything in BRF, from what I've seen).
  • Mobility: It's a very specific case, but you finally have something other than Holy Shock to do while you're on the move (judge a target), and occasionally the planets align and you'll have 3 stacks of SH to hit somebody with an instant crit Flash Heal when they need it.

The disadvantages are well-documented: you're wasting globals on Judgment, hasted Flash Heals will always bump up against the GCD, etc. However, I feel that it capitalizes on the benefits offered by automated combat rotations better than EF/SS. I've managed decently high rankings on a few BRF Heroics with TuanHA in conjunction with SH. You bring something different to the raid than most Holy Paladins, and can be an outstanding tank healer. While I'm not arguing that SH is great, it is viable, and TuanHA's CR gets a lot of mileage out of this spec.

That said, once I start on Mythic BRF, maybe I'll realize that I'm completely wrong. For now, however, it's interesting and works out pretty well. I'd love an option for "Holy Radiance only on IoL procs", but I think TuanHA has his hands full right now.
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I couldn't agree more with what you have said. I wanted to try EF because that's where I always see big numbers on others but no matter what adjustments I made to the settings I could never match the numbers even with better gear. From world of logs I see pallies around 679 or so pulling 59k HPS with EF, I can't get anywhere close to those numbers with EF or SH.
 
Ret CC is still using seal of righteousness on 2 targets, it needs to be changed so it only switches on 3. It is a dps loss to use SoR on 2 targets. This has been said time and time again.
 
ryftobuddy said:
Ret CC is still using seal of righteousness on 2 targets, it needs to be changed so it only switches on 3. It is a dps loss to use SoR on 2 targets. This has been said time and time again.
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No log, just complaining. What do you have AOE set at? 2? Try setting it to 3. Works for me.
 
It's kinda valid. None of the CR's do this adequately. You should be managing your seals manually.
 
I wouldn't be posting in this thread about seal usage if I wanted to manage my seals manually.
 
ryftobuddy said:
I wouldn't be posting in this thread about seal usage if I wanted to manage my seals manually.
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Lol that's the main point of Combat Routines. It does the work for you. I still do use certain abilities manually. Like Hand of Protection until the recent update that is. But Hand of Sacrifice too. Theoretically you shouldn't have to manually do anything besides move and target.
 
Kirino said:
That said, once I start on Mythic BRF, maybe I'll realize that I'm completely wrong. For now, however, it's interesting and works out pretty well. I'd love an option for "Holy Radiance only on IoL procs", but I think TuanHA has his hands full right now.
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No, just because your suggestion is not fast enough... lol I'm joking but it will be there on next few hour update :D
 
tuanha said:
No, just because your suggestion is not fast enough... lol I'm joking but it will be there on next few hour update :D
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How about a selection option for Hand of Sacrifice similar to the new Hand of Protection one? :D
 
Version 6.0.5528


More customized setting on Hand of Sacrifice, Hand of Protection, Hand of Freedom, Lay on Hands
Add option Holy Radiance only During Infusion of Light Proc
Add separate setting for Holy Radiance and Holy Light with or without Infusion of Light


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I have been testing the updated CR in LFR just now on a 678 Holy Paladin with 8/10heroic BRF.

The Update is great concerning the hand spells!

but I have 2 major problems with it:

  1. Holy Light (basically an old problem)
    The routine casts Holy Light as a filler (HealFiller HolyLight)
    Example:
    [16:56:25.816 D] 25:815 Trying to cast Holy Light (82326) on Lvl 100 Horde Priest reason HealFiller HolyLight UnitIllumitatedHealing Mana 137214 HolyPower 2 HolyPowerMax 5
    I understand that it does that because of the shield from Illuminated Healing buff.

    But on longer fights like Heroic Blast Furnace, Mana management is a really important issue!
    So, can we please have an option to deactivate Holy Light as a filler? I would greatly appreciate it, as i have to deactivate holy light alltogether for those fights.

  2. Holy Radiance (new since last update)
    The routine casted Holy Radiance with nobody being under the set threshold!
    I activated Holy Radiance on Procc with 5 people below 45%
    [17:10:04.568 D] 04:567 Trying to cast Holy Radiance (82327) on Lvl 100 Horde Paladin reason HolyRadianceProcExpiring Mana 108439 HolyPower 2 HolyPowerMax 5
    [17:10:05.458 N] 05:457 HP: 100 % Mana: 61 (3 HP) Lvl 100 Horde Paladin 0y 100% hp Holy Radiance (82327)
    Please look into this.

I am attaching a log and if needed i can upload my settings!
 

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ryftobuddy said:
Ret CC is still using seal of righteousness on 2 targets, it needs to be changed so it only switches on 3. It is a dps loss to use SoR on 2 targets. This has been said time and time again.
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Its working for the rest of us, it just must be a problem with you.
 
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