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PiroxBots is Closing, All Aboard thebuddyforum

no1knowsy said:
1) No more use of the word bashing. I never want to see it again in my life :p
2) Teveel just let it go, please.
3) Now I explain a little more:

All of the plugins on the forum, minus a select few, have been provided by Third-Party developers. In this way they can't entirely support Adding them into Honorbuddy fully. This would mean that the 'Real buddy devs' would have to update/maintain them. They just don't have the time for it.

Pirox had a straight forward loading setup.
You would have actually had the plugins 'built-into' those profiles you loaded.
The ability to AH, switch toons, etc.
You just didn't see the plugins as an extra step because it was contained in that one file.
Admit it, when you had to change a setting in the file, you had to right-click and edit it correct?
Well most plugins would allow for this sort of thing (editing their settings files), but having plugins as separated C# files allows for a User Interface to make it easier to view/understand what you are changing, and what you can change it to.
Also, Multi-Threading is the shit.

@ Zameek - Please stop talking. Arelog is nice and all, but Pirox had their own relogger too. It was provided by the Pirox dev team, and I do believe worked better than our Arelog does.
Not saying Arelog sucks, but it just doesn't seem to do what I think it should. Crashes make it fail, if you don't uncheck 'remember username' it fails, etc...

The issue with meshes isn't actually an issue with the mesh. It's the issue of Honorbuddy not taking into account the HitBox size/shape of your character while navigating. So it cuts corners too close, or tries to go under something it can't. I'd say about 95% of the time it unstucks itself from this, but it sucks that it happens in the first place.
Think of it like throwing a golfball through a hole, then without taking into account the size of the object to throw, it tries to put a baseball through it. It just doesn't work the first time, until HB sees that it is stuck, and proceeds to move the ball until it finds a hole it can fit through.


As far as constant updates, TheBuddyTeam is working on 3 or more bots at the moment. Pirox only had the one bot, for WoW. This will obviously cause many delays in updating/bug fixing.

I'm providing information.
I'm not fighting with you.
I did not once say that either of the bots was/is superior.



And with that out of the way,

A Warm, Furry Welcome to all prior Pirox Users.
Anyone who just joined, or has basic questions about HB/Sessions/Etc please read the following blog by Kickazz006:
* http://www.thebuddyforum.com/blogs/kickazz006/961-useful-blog-new-users.html *
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haha agreed. Yeah That is very true I understand. Makes sense from that point of view. And thats what I mean. I like having all my plug ins , in one program so It doesnt look so messy. But maybe I can get used to it. you raise a good point, in a non aggressive/emotional way and I thank you for that. I like you. your a nice person. Your actually trying to help me see your side of the spectrum without getting all arrogant or defensive, and thats what I need to help me see certain things.

I use botting for afk gathering mainly. I just want to make sure I am spending my money for what I want. for the longest time when I used pirox gathering bot I would always see someone using gatherbuddy and I would always 100% beat them to the node. Land perfectly on it. And gather it before they even hit the ground after a dismount. The delay in dismounting seems to be so great compared to the benefit it gives the bot for not getting stuck. I really dislike it. I just expected the gatherbuddy to not have that delay ugh :(.

I also used auto ah botting profiles, and relogging so that I could leave my bots on and not babysit them at all. Can I get plug ins for that? do they work well? / not buggy?

I just feel as if pirox had more options and functions for customizing what you wanted built into the program. Which was nice. You learn what each function does and check off what you want. With HB it seems that you have to have a third party support program to customize what you want which means learning new things everytime you want to customize something? I could be wrong. but that is just how I feel.
thanks for explaining these things to me though. And I know your not fighting with me. your tone is a lot more enjoyable to learn from. Thank you.

and I understand they work on more than one bot which is cool. I just feel like they have a few functions that need to be changed on gatherbuddy to be the best? I dont know. :S
 
zameek said:
sir ur a fucking idoit 50+ bots hb can do same as pirox even better relog http://www.thebuddyforum.com/releases/30506-test-arelog-simple-free-relogger-honorbuddy.html
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why do you start fighting and cursing at me? dude, we're here to discuss. and it seems to me, most of hb users don't like ppl to have an oppinion. before you even start talking bullshit, pls show all of us how aRelog work with 50+ bots afk. oh, you didn't even try it out yet? too bad, because it doens't work.
 
Thang78 said:
why do you start fighting and cursing at me? dude, we're here to discuss. and it seems to me, most of hb users don't like ppl to have an oppinion. before you even start talking bullshit, pls show all of us how aRelog work with 50+ bots afk. oh, you didn't even try it out yet? too bad, because it doens't work.
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Thang78, that's enough.

I already told him to stop.
See my last post: http://www.thebuddyforum.com/genera...g-all-aboard-thebuddyforum-57.html#post417572


Thang78 said:
@no1knowsy: if only more hb users are like you...
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That's what I keep sayin (to myself :p)
 
see. i'm not here to rant or to fight. it's just stupid arguments like "if you don't like, get out of here" or "news user under 6 month subscription have to earn their freedom of speech" really bugs me. i already bought HB, so why should i get out? and i think i have more licences than most of you guys here. that alone earns me the right to talk about hb, doesn't it?

the most important issue of most of those powerfull plugins is what no1knowsy said: it's not supported by the devs and so we can't rely on them. in fact they all have some issues. they crash hb for no reason, they are not up to date etc. if you really need the bot working fluid, you just can't rely on them. i'm trying to. i tried all those profiles and plugins. but it really just don't work as intended. but i'm not even here to discuss about it. just those stupid comments made me rant.
 
Thang78 said:
see. i'm not here to rant or to fight. it's just stupid arguments like "if you don't like, get out of here" or "news user under 6 month subscription have to earn their freedom of speech" really bugs me. i already bought HB, so why should i get out? and i think i have more licences than most of you guys here. that alone earns me the right to talk about hb, doesn't it?

the most important issue of most of those powerfull plugins is what no1knowsy said: it's not supported by the devs and so we can't rely on them. in fact they all have some issues. they crash hb for no reason, they are not up to date etc. if you really need the bot working fluid, you just can't rely on them. i'm trying to. i tried all those profiles and plugins. but it really just don't work as intended. but i'm not even here to discuss about it. just those stupid comments made me rant.
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It's okay.

Even my plugin (BuddyManager) doesn't work as described for some users. It works 100% for me, but for others it just crashes their Honorbuddy.
I believe it has mostly to do with the Logic Flow inside of Honorbuddy.exe itself, but I can't change that.

But welcome to TheBuddyForum.
I'm gonna stop spamming this thread now :p
-Panda
 
So can you direct me to the GB2 version? someone said that it has better functionality than GB1 ? or something? but I cant find a DL for version 2? I dont quite understand what im looking for here..
 
Pitmouse said:
Okay awesome looking at it now. Makes a bit more sense now. Why do they even have GB1 then? Why not just delete it and use HB as the base?
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GB1 is the lightweight bot.

It uses hardly any RAM space in comparison to HB.



So if you can run 10 bots with HB, you'd probably be able to run 20+ with GB1.
You'd just have to deal with Macros and the loss of other functionality.
 
Alright, makes sense in that area. Thanks. how much better does it function compared to GB1, and in what areas does it function better in? examples if you can please. :D
 
Pitmouse said:
Alright, makes sense in that area. Thanks. how much better does it function compared to GB1, and in what areas does it function better in? examples if you can please. :D
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It uses Meshes for Navigation, instead of Waypoints (Pirox used waypoints).
It uses CustomClasses for combat. This allow for rotations, not setting up macros, it knows cooldowns, all spells, interrupts, etc...
It allows for use of Plugins.
It is better for Resting (drinking food/drink). GB1 just presses a macro to eat and drink, while HB uses a plugin provided by the bot devs to detect what food/drink we have in the bags :)
Plenty of other stuff, but none come to mind :p
 
Ah I see good stuff. I dont quite know what meshes are though. But I thank you for trying to explain this stuff to me. so custom classes, are preset class / keybinding plug ins ?

Does this bot use injection then?
 
Pitmouse said:
Ah I see good stuff. I dont quite know what meshes are though. But I thank you for trying to explain this stuff to me. so custom classes, are preset class / keybinding plug ins ?

Does this bot use injection then?
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HB uses injection without actually injecting. See this post by Apoc ( http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/developer-forum/36089-how-works-injection-you.html )

The custom classes does what a normal user would do.
This is on cooldown, I have these many stacks of something so press this, if not then cast for another stack, silence if i can and someone is casting.
All done by Honorbuddy using the CC code.

There are also CCs available for every Class, and pretty much every spec (a spec or two are missing but that's fine for now).
 
no1knowsy said:
HB uses injection without actually injecting. See this post by Apoc ( http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorbuddy-forum/developer-forum/36089-how-works-injection-you.html )

The custom classes does what a normal user would do.
This is on cooldown, I have these many stacks of something so press this, if not then cast for another stack, silence if i can and someone is casting.
All done by Honorbuddy using the CC code.

There are also CCs available for every Class, and pretty much every spec (a spec or two are missing but that's fine for now).
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Alright awesome, ill take a look at that thread. I like reading stuff like that.

So these are premade customized class set ups? Like I dont have to configure them if I dont want to? Sounds pretty cool though Im impressed with that so far tbh.
 
Pitmouse said:
Alright awesome, ill take a look at that thread. I like reading stuff like that.

So these are premade customized class set ups? Like I dont have to configure them if I dont want to? Sounds pretty cool though Im impressed with that so far tbh.
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You can adjust settings, but no you don't have to tell it what spells you have, or when exactly to use them.
Basically you don't have to tell the bot HOW to play your toon in combat. But be sure to have a look at the CustomClass ( or CC ) settings when you use it. (This is talked about in the HB Guide for Dummies)
 
Alright sounds good man, thanks Ill take a look at the guide later and try to figure stuff out myself and post again when I need some help :P

I did a quick read over that injection thread too. I don't completely understand it yet. so how does HB get away with using injection memory? It only does a little bit at a time every frame or something?..
 
Oh and what are meshes compared to way points. I didnt flat out ask that sorry. meant to :P
 
Pitmouse said:
Alright sounds good man, thanks Ill take a look at the guide later and try to figure stuff out myself and post again when I need some help :P

I did a quick read over that injection thread too. I don't completely understand it yet. so how does HB get away with using injection memory? It only does a little bit at a time every frame or something?..
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Basically it is looking at a piece of information, or changing one, while WoW.exe's back is turned (it's ready to send a new frame to update the screen).

Meshes are a 3-D map of the world in WoW.
They have a "walkable" are type, and non-walkable. (Flat land, sloped, Cliffs, etc...)

These different types of walkable areas then have "Costs" to move across.
Like do I go around the lake, or do I swim through it? Which would be shortest/take the least time.

Doesn't require you to put in each point it would have to go to between hotspots.
Honorbuddy will create all clicks it needs to make to get to that next hotspot (if at at all possible, which 99% of the time it does perfectly, especially with GB2).
 
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no1knowsy said:
Basically it is looking at a piece of information, or changing one, while WoW.exe's back is turned (it's ready to send a new frame to update the screen).

Meshes are a 3-D map of the world in WoW.
They have a "walkable" are type, and non-walkable. (Flat land, sloped, Cliffs, etc...)

These different types of walkable areas then have "Costs" to move across.
Like do I go around the lake, or do I swim through it? Which would be shortest/take the least time.

Doesn't require you to put in each point it would have to go to between hotspots.
Honorbuddy will create all clicks it needs to make to get to that next hotspot (if at at all possible, which 99% of the time it does perfectly, especially with GB2).
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Sweet thanks for explaining some of that to me. makes a little more sense now. :) sounds good to me. Ill try and figure a few more things out and then ill hit ya back, probably soon hah . thanks again
 
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