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Banwave 22-11-2016 Discussion

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Ban on the fact provide a launch bot and attaching it to the game, use the bot's suicide. As a manufacturer would act in this situation, when people have lost $ Millions for this reason.

If the company Blizzard is your bot then why do not you change the encryption playing ahead of the curve, while Blizzard is looking for how to detect bot you have to change the way injections client and they start work on a new one. It would be a good practice if you are changed without waiting for such waves ban
 
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This isn't the first time Blizzard has banned during a sale. The truth is, they always know when you are botting. They can ban you at any time. They pick certain dates for a reason. Honorbuddy is a great bot with a lot of functionality, but it is also 100% detectable. I wish it weren't. Honestly without it the game kinda sucks, but it is. Bot and blizzard will ban you sooner or later. Likely sooner
 
Xarian said:
This is like, 6 years old. And in fact, the presentation contains pretty much no info
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You clearly missed the point, 6 years ago they only had to change a byte to catch people out.
I appreciate you not understanding if you do not have a techno background and don't understand how advanced they were 6 years ago.
Detection is not impossible, it is cat and mouse.
 
sp3sh said:
You clearly missed the point, 6 years ago they only had to change a byte to catch people out.
I appreciate you not understanding if you do not have a techno background and don't understand how advanced they were 6 years ago.
Detection is not impossible, it is cat and mouse.
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Whats your tech background? I dont know why you assume i think detection isnt possible, if you checked my posts on tbf you would realise i often tell people its not that difficult to detect, and i would know as i atleast have some experience in software development and reverse engineering, maybe you do too.
 
Now we get a update for HB, bot for a long time and wait for the banwave before the 110 boost option becomes available
 
We dont even know if they made any changes on this new HB version, that's wierd, want to give a try but it's like playing russian roulette with 8 bullets in the gun ...
 
sp3sh said:
You clearly missed the point, 6 years ago they only had to change a byte to catch people out.
I appreciate you not understanding if you do not have a techno background and don't understand how advanced they were 6 years ago.
Detection is not impossible, it is cat and mouse.
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That’s what I always thought, there is one thing change the offsets to a packet, they could just add one byte to the end of a C->S movement packet, which would be caught server side as an injection as it differentiates from what the client sends.

To kind of explain / visual it to other people:

The opcode identifies what the packets does, these could be changed every patch, though the packet structure will remain the same so it is usually the case of them matching up again. The client sends all these packets for every single task you do when playing the game, the bot of course being automated needs to understand what these packets do. They have to send and read the packets that go to and from the server.

As said above, all it would take is for them to suddenly change a commonly sent packet. I've never seen WoW packets, so just using my understanding from elsewhere, but take the movement packet for example:

Code: 
Opcode: 0x7015
4	ushort	xCoord
4	ushort	yCoord
4	ushort	zCoord
1	byte	direction
1	byte	random added byte

The team would have to parse the structures every update to make sure they are sending the correct lengths to the server.

Blizzard could go even further to change what the flags in a key packet sent does. So say we have a send message packet:

Code: 
Opcode: 0x7515
1	byte messageTypeFlag (0 – Say / 1 – Guild / 2 – Party etc.)
4	ushort messageLength
*	message

They could switch the messageType flags around to (22 - Guild, 25 - Party).

They wouldn't even need to worry about having anything / detecting any hooked applications client side. Many tricks could be had on the server side.

I’m interested how all this gets handled as I don't have a deep understanding of assembly / ollydbg.
 
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Thunderball said:
Yeah I'm totally new to botting you should check my join date before saying that, this is just the first time where HB staff show a big lack of communication ...
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So you should know that they never give any information about improvements. Communication was never the strong point of Bossland.
 
Cylae said:
So you should know that they never give any information about improvements. Communication was never the strong point of Bossland.
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The whole "We can't tell, as Blizzard would know." is BS. Blizzard can see their detection rate go from whatever % they have (probably 100%) to 0%. As Blizzard knows how their own detection is done, they know "what" has been bypassed.
And the "how" only matters if you intend to fix status quo. I would find a new way to detect unwanted behavior. Stop letting it be a cat and mouse game, and become a whatever eats the mouse game.

This is not a step in the honorbuddy vs. blizzard detection, it's about not letting the other bot makers out there know what to change. As 0% detection for HB and 100% detection for every other bot... Means moar moneys for Bossland,
which is fair tbh. Thats how you run a business. Although transparency about this fact is missing.

IMHO.
 
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Ibot123 said:
The whole "We can't tell, as Blizzard would know." is BS. Blizzard can see their detection rate go from whatever % they have (probably 100%) to 0%. As Blizzard knows how their own detection is done, they know "what" has been bypassed.
And the "how" only matters if you intend to fix status quo. I would find a new way to detect unwanted behavior. Stop letting it be a cat and mouse game, and become a whatever eats the mouse game.

This is not a step in the honorbuddy vs. blizzard detection, it's about not letting the other bot makers out there know what to change. As 0% detection for HB and 100% detection for every other bot... Means moar moneys for Bossland,
which is fair tbh. Thats how you run a business. Although transparency about this fact is missing.

IMHO.
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Finally, someone who understands how to run a business.

Seriously people, it's always been blind trust with Bossland. I'm giving it a shot. If I get banned, welp, I tried.
 
Just tryed to launch wow in 32 bt mode with new updated honorbuddy - got this message...

"Due to suspicious activity, this account has been locked. A message has been sent to this account's email adress containing details on how to resolve this issue"

Was promted to a password reset afterwards
 
Chuckles said:
Doesn't this happen with IP changes? Have you moved areas or city since you last logged on?
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logged out of accoutn cause of the hb update.

Used hb launcher thats what i was met with - when i logged in the 64 bit just after no issue. logged ouyt and used hb launcher for 32 same message and pw reset promt in mail
 
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logged out of accoutn cause of the hb update.

Used hb launcher thats what i was met with - when i logged in the 64 bit just after no issue. logged ouyt and used hb launcher for 32 same message and pw reset promt in mail
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Did you get that message before HB launched? If so it would seem to just be a standard security precaution.
 
Azoth said:
Did you get that message before HB launched? If so it would seem to just be a standard security precaution.
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Got the message before i logged into BH but after i lauched wow 32 bit with it. Might be nothing just made me nervous
 
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