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Banwave 10-11-2016 Discussion

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There are no guarantees in botting. I have seen days, weeks, months and a year plus between waves. There is no way to tell. It depends on what objective Blizz wants to employ. Do they hit twice to run botters making them think they now have botting in hand and play out all their cards or space it to get as many botters as possible. Generally the thought process has been to space the waves so as to get resign-ups but who knows what they are thinking today.
 
Is now bot available? They wrote that it will be done today, but all of my accs are banned and i can't see can you tell me, please? :D
 
authorisation servers are back up and they have made changes but still not 100% sure what Blizz is after yet.
 
So im confused. the bot is less safe than it ever was. They opened up auth with some changes they think will help and right now my key timers are running down? Is this a joke?
 
sit down guys its story time

do you guys know why back in the good old days blizzard started to sue MDY Industries the developers of the almighty glider. They simply could not beat them on the detection level or lets say it would have cost them a lot more resources without knowing if they would succeed. The Glider Developers put huge emphasis on not being detected. They monitored everything 24/7 and always immediately saw if something funny was going on. Today getting detected and being banned is nothing special and if you are a veteran user you likely know that it will happen within a few months. Back in the days there was a chance to be banned, but nowadays you have a certainty to get banned.

Maybe the honorbuddy team does not have the talent to compete with the blizzard developers, who knows. However, it is sad that people take it for granted that they get banned due to client side detection every few months. Its not about being banned, but about the quality of the product and how people keep trusting a product which will fail them pretty soon. Just take the fact, that they posted a message that honorbuddy probably got detected a 2 or 3 weeks prior to the ban. Just how on earth can you make such an announcement just after 24 hours of analyzing and moreover if it was so easy to find out that the bot was detected, why havent you done anything prior to the ban.

This is just some criticism on my side, maybe the HB Team are just milking the profit as long as they can and dont care that much about their customers. For me there is no thrill in botting if there is a certainty and not a chance to get banned. If people are using the bot for gold farming or profit in general, I guess 3 to 6 months account life cycles aint that bad.

everyone who wants to start using the bot again i can tell you its safe for the next 3 to 6 months
 
TheBrightSide said:
sit down guys its story time

do you guys know why back in the good old days blizzard started to sue MDY Industries the developers of the almighty glider. They simply could not beat them on the detection level or lets say it would have cost them a lot more resources without knowing if they would succeed. The Glider Developers put huge emphasis on not being detected. They monitored everything 24/7 and always immediately saw if something funny was going on. Today getting detected and being banned is nothing special and if you are a veteran user you likely know that it will happen within a few months. Back in the days there was a chance to be banned, but nowadays you have a certainty to get banned.

Maybe the honorbuddy team does not have the talent to compete with the blizzard developers, who knows. However, it is sad that people take it for granted that they get banned due to client side detection every few months. Its not about being banned, but about the quality of the product and how people keep trusting a product which will fail them pretty soon. Just take the fact, that they posted a message that honorbuddy probably got detected a 2 or 3 weeks prior to the ban. Just how on earth can you make such an announcement just after 24 hours of analyzing and moreover if it was so easy to find out that the bot was detected, why havent you done anything prior to the ban.

This is just some criticism on my side, maybe the HB Team are just milking the profit as long as they can and dont care that much about their customers. For me there is no thrill in botting if there is a certainty and not a chance to get banned. If people are using the bot for gold farming or profit in general, I guess 3 to 6 months account life cycles aint that bad.

everyone who wants to start using the bot again i can tell you its safe for the next 3 to 6 months
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I do believe your comments were a bit unfair and if my mind serves me correctly we did get detected once but the fairness is this. We live in different age now. It's like comparing two Basketball teams from two eras and trying to say who would win or two boxers, fact is it's not quite that simple. Technology has changed, the teams have changed. It could be that if Glider was up today it might be down also. We simply don't know.

I kind of agree with you on one point. The ban waves back in the day usually kill a bot with one swooop. The bots sometimes came back but they were like leapers, no one would touch them. We have become a bit more passive about the whole banwave thing. I remember people being banned from forums for merely muttering the word. It was worse than taboo and today it's kind of like saying I leveled up. I do believe it's attributable to HB team managing too many bots but the other side of the coin is that they are able, mostly because of that to stick around. It's become the trade off we have to deal with. At least we don't have to pay $100 to get an account opened to top level. I think it was more expensive back then to rebound.

I also think the bots are far more complex today than they were back in the Glider days.

I support the HB team.
 
Got a reply on my appeal today that might be of interest to someone, anyone. Just the way some things are worded, and some "facts" they reveal in the email. I'll leave it up for interpretation.



[FONT=&amp]Game Master Peniswrinkle here. Happy to help out with your ticket![/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]This penalty has been upheld with the evidence provided and will not be overturned. The account has been noted for our actions and any disputes that followed.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]We apply the appropriate action to your game license specifically. The penalty is also specific to your account so it may not match up with other's reporting a penalty as it may not be pertaining to the same situation. There is an initial review done by the team who penalize the game license first. Then, when appeal like this is sent in, another GM takes a look. I always give the benefit of the doubt and I've checked everywhere I can, but there is no sign of compromise found. The main point to take away is that the LICENSE was penalized not the person playing it or that owns it. However account security falls back on the owner.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Despite the reasoning or explanation submitted, we rely on evidence that our systems can provide. The evidence we have is not in your favor I’m afraid. For security and privacy concerns we're not to disclose our findings. We only utilize solid, provable evidence in our investigation and actions. These are not applied based on reports, but only when confirmed. We are not obligated to provide anymore information than what was sent to you originally.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]As a heads up we are not able to adjust, move, or make any changes of any sort to a game license that is in this current state. As far as providing more information, the most we will deliver to you has already been sent over in an email.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]From here on out each response you get for repeat disputes may seem generic. That is because we've performed multiple investigations all leading to the same conclusion. The conclusion is that this account will stay closed with no option for overturn. While you may not play this license any longer, you may create a new one and play from there. [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]I hope this clears the air and gives you some insight. The tone of this letter is on the serious side but only to stay informative!
[/FONT][FONT=&amp][/FONT]
 
While you may not play this license any longer, you may create a new one and play from there.

Typical gold diggers
 
This was not just a banwave on honorbuddy though. It was a huge banwave to all 3rd party software.
 
TheBrightSide said:
sit down guys its story time

do you guys know why back in the good old days blizzard started to sue MDY Industries the developers of the almighty glider. They simply could not beat them on the detection level or lets say it would have cost them a lot more resources without knowing if they would succeed. The Glider Developers put huge emphasis on not being detected. They monitored everything 24/7 and always immediately saw if something funny was going on. Today getting detected and being banned is nothing special and if you are a veteran user you likely know that it will happen within a few months. Back in the days there was a chance to be banned, but nowadays you have a certainty to get banned.

Maybe the honorbuddy team does not have the talent to compete with the blizzard developers, who knows. However, it is sad that people take it for granted that they get banned due to client side detection every few months. Its not about being banned, but about the quality of the product and how people keep trusting a product which will fail them pretty soon. Just take the fact, that they posted a message that honorbuddy probably got detected a 2 or 3 weeks prior to the ban. Just how on earth can you make such an announcement just after 24 hours of analyzing and moreover if it was so easy to find out that the bot was detected, why havent you done anything prior to the ban.

This is just some criticism on my side, maybe the HB Team are just milking the profit as long as they can and dont care that much about their customers. For me there is no thrill in botting if there is a certainty and not a chance to get banned. If people are using the bot for gold farming or profit in general, I guess 3 to 6 months account life cycles aint that bad.

everyone who wants to start using the bot again i can tell you its safe for the next 3 to 6 months
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Glider was hit with detection banwaves. It ate my only account. There were several more after that which included detection on MANY bots such as Omega, pirox, farmerjohn bot and so forth.

I remember glider and how fun it was too. This does not make it better managed.

I agree they seem to have too many irons in the fire(bots). While I dont pretend to know who or how many people work a project, honorbuddy is their biggest market. I of course have no idea what their buissness model looks like. I can make a few guesses though. They probably arent anywhere rich off this product, and have other jobs besides honorbuddy.
 
gadsen1776 said:
Glider was hit with detection banwaves. It ate my only account. There were several more after that which included detection on MANY bots such as Omega, pirox, farmerjohn bot and so forth.

I remember glider and how fun it was too. This does not make it better managed.

I agree they seem to have too many irons in the fire(bots). While I dont pretend to know who or how many people work a project, honorbuddy is their biggest market. I of course have no idea what their buissness model looks like. I can make a few guesses though. They probably arent anywhere rich off this product, and have other jobs besides honorbuddy.
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My fundamental problem with HB is they still market it as if though there is an element of protection with tripwire. If you've been around for at least a couple of years you'll know things changed drastically in the last 18-24 months. It's clear at least to me that there is little to no protection using HB. I have been a long time botter back to the Glider days and have 18 HB keys so I speak from my own vast personal experience and just looking at these ban waves. The last few ban waves have brought out similar comments from the HB team that in essence they are at best a step behind Blizz.

It is clear to say that Honorbuddy has been detected for last 2 to 3 weeks which bypassed the tripwire system
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So again, I have no problem with HB. I enjoy it and have a sunk cost already. What I think is borderline unethical is the continued marketing that we are protected. Statements like

Tripwire is one of several ways Bossland GmbH protects the value of its customer's investment in accounts.
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really bother me especially in light of the blatant evidence over the last 18 months that when Blizzard feels like it they will ban you. We are only allowed to bot because Blizzard lets us. This changes the risk profile and would allow users to make a more informed decision.

Please don't read this post as a "omg I got banned why didn't anyone tell me bot's could be detected". I fully understand and accept the risk and have had dozens and dozens of accounts banned over the years. This is purely focused on what I believe is misleading marketing to generate sales.

my 2c
 
if you make a new account and use the game only routine is the probability to obtain a ban?
 
Dominowood said:
if you make a new account and use the game only routine is the probability to obtain a ban?
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Using only the routine does nothing more than lower your suspiscion to players getting less reports. If the client gets detected you will probably face another 6months ban.... Well not even "if" .. .but "when" .. and nobody knows when it will happen again :) some say in 3 to 6 months
 
you may receive a ban at any time. are you less likely than a 24/7 farmer? who knows. unless every single hb user reports who what when and where they got banned, there is no way to calculate the % of being banned.

there is just too little information to make assumptions of what is safer. just know that all forms of botting are dangerous and you should only bot on an account you are willing to lose.
 
Once you inject honorbuddy into your wow client. You can kiss that account goodbye. Only a matter of time is when it will be banned.
 
you sound very intelligent and knowledgeable where botting is concerned. i would love to see your source for this information.
 
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