Banwave 10-11-2016 Discussion

[Demondog70]

Not exactly what Stick said but not too far off....they have made modifications to Trip to prevent what they believed caused the ban but that's not to say something else can't catch us.

 

[Demondog70]

In it's entirety here is what Raphus said.....

We have some theories as to how the last banwave took place and practical ideas how to prevent it being done again.
There have been improvements made to tripwire but we cannot be sure that this will help in the future. Unfortunately,
we cannot share any information at this point.


Today we are adding the lost time to all keys and re-opening our auth. Now more than ever we advise caution in botting -
do not have the bot running at the same time as an account you care about is also logged in on your machine.


Be careful out there!

So they have some theories and they implemented things to Tripwire based on those theories....BUT if Blizz modifies whammo you dead.

 

[automationarmy]

"Fattie Healer Chick" here... lol! I can't even level now though, since it just seems so mundane. Have any other the other Bots got a clue as to what Bliz did this time that was so different? I wonder what "Passive" methods they think were used. I looked accross every single Bot and it really seems widespread. SO BORED NOW! What else is everyone playing to keep busy?

FFXIV - I'm done with wow. I don't bot for gold i bot so I don't feel compelled to skip the gym. I bot so I don't cut time short with my daughter. I bot cause of legions wqs.

Investing any time at all in a toon and guild/friends/progression is pointless and wasted money if you know for a fact it's gone at some random point in the near future.

FFXIV is an amazing game, not a fraction as dated, huge population, much nicer more mature community, and the only bots that get banned are gold farmers (by and large).

Maybe I'll come back one day when some revolutionary bot comes out or breakthru is made - but with hb team saying they have some "theories" isn't good enough for me. Plus my bnet is full of banned or suspeneded accounts and not interested in starting a new one with no heirlooms etc.

Fun as hell while it lasted but the game is over a decade old. Have fun!

 

[Chutchy100]

ps4 pro here i come

FFXIV - I'm done with wow. I don't bot for gold i bot so I don't feel compelled to skip the gym. I bot so I don't cut time short with my daughter. I bot cause of legions wqs.

Investing any time at all in a toon and guild/friends/progression is pointless and wasted money if you know for a fact it's gone at some random point in the near future.

FFXIV is an amazing game, not a fraction as dated, huge population, much nicer more mature community, and the only bots that get banned are gold farmers (by and large).

Maybe I'll come back one day when some revolutionary bot comes out or breakthru is made - but with hb team saying they have some "theories" isn't good enough for me. Plus my bnet is full of banned or suspeneded accounts and not interested in starting a new one with no heirlooms etc.

Fun as hell while it lasted but the game is over a decade old. Have fun!

I feel exactly the same. Botted for same reasons. Stripped my pc and all on ebay now. Going to get ps4pro and laptop for browsing n stuff. Done with pc upgrades and mmorpg genre.

 

[DaSoul]

I want my money back, honorbuddy.

Lost a 5 years account.

We were told that it is undetectable.

Proof it! No staff member ever said, that hb is undetectable.
There is just one easy rule for botting.
"Don't bot on an account, you're afraid to lose".


YOU and nobody else broke this rule, so blame yourself!

 

[ivanm]

You want your money back! Lol.

 

[inh]

I feel the new system of HB is, to put it mildly, distracting from the actual problem.

Some of us lost out accounts due to a new system detecting HB for at least 3 weeks.
This new system is up and running, to the best of our knowledge.
It has detected the current build, and continues to do so. People that were botting with trip off can attest to that.
If the new tripwire cannot detect it and continues to operate then, frankly, is not good enough.

All I feel is happening is our keys' time being used up right now.
We know HB has never been stated to be undetectable, but right now we have a bot that is, to the best of our knowledge, detectable.
And still the staff won't admit, and have our keys ticking away.

This feels like, at best, a rip off, or maybe not caring too much anymore, for whatever reason.

 

[Demondog70]

INK WOh a Woh...

Chill and know your roll....

First you seem to know a whole lot about nothing. If you have been in and around this business for more than a day you would understand the score.

First, Big Bad Blizz is always trying new things. They have nailed a gazillion bots over the years and most have packed up and gone home or been sued into the abyss.

HB has always said this is not a perfect game of cat and mouse and that we should always not bot accounts we do not use. I play my main and make my bot help fund him. I can't say more than that.

HB was detected. And as you rightfully pointed out, they never stated it was undetectable only at point it had not been detected. Currently it was detected and HB will again make it undetected but that is not to state it will remain that way and as for your time I do recall them saying time for keys would be refunded.

Now INH if they can't tell you what they know its because they really don't want Blizz to know what they know and I pray to God you can see the reasoning there.

So again I say chill and play your accounts smart....

 

[bdagooch]

1st time ban

Hey guys this is the first time and account ive been banned on. In the ban email they stated they removed currency. Does this mean they took all my gold? I looked on wows website under the toon my gold is stored on and it still shows i have all my gold. Is this lagg or did they not take much? Any ideas? Thanks =(

 

[Demondog70]

When you get your account back it will have no gold in its bags for any toon...

 

[Digga2]

I feel the new system of HB is, to put it mildly, distracting from the actual problem.

Some of us lost out accounts due to a new system detecting HB for at least 3 weeks.
This new system is up and running, to the best of our knowledge.
It has detected the current build, and continues to do so. People that were botting with trip off can attest to that.
If the new tripwire cannot detect it and continues to operate then, frankly, is not good enough.

All I feel is happening is our keys' time being used up right now.
We know HB has never been stated to be undetectable, but right now we have a bot that is, to the best of our knowledge, detectable.
And still the staff won't admit, and have our keys ticking away.

This feels like, at best, a rip off, or maybe not caring too much anymore, for whatever reason.

They give all the time you lost on your keys back. Every time when bot is down for whatever reason, they give that time back to you.
For detection, nobody can really fight a company like blizzard forever and never suffer. It's like constant play with fire, you know? Occasionally you get rekt.

 

[starlite68]

you will have zero copper on your entire banned account, including all chars on all servers.

anything you have in guild bank will be fine.

nothing else should be removed.

 

[grutamu]

@raphus @hawker

Are you saying, there is a chance that blizz can detect the software of the bot even though it is not running on the PC? Should we use multiple computers per account that is running instead of multi-boxing farming?

We have some theories as to how the last banwave took place and practical ideas how to prevent it being done again.
There have been improvements made to tripwire but we cannot be sure that this will help in the future. Unfortunately,
we cannot share any information at this point.


Today we are adding the lost time to all keys and re-opening our auth. Now more than ever we advise caution in botting -
do not have the bot running at the same time as an account you care about is also logged in on your machine.

All software changes will be done server side so no new release is needed.


Be careful out there!

 

[mafiav2]

I don't get the 'you know the risk of botting' people. I think most of us understand the risk of botting and being banned. But there is a difference between being detected and being reported, if we knew the full risk (being detected) we would have used the bot either not at all or even more because its a gaureenteed banned so we could at least get some money back for it. I am going to start using honorbuddy to its full extent with no regard.

 

[quinzds]

I don't get the 'you know the risk of botting' people. I think most of us understand the risk of botting and being banned. But there is a difference between being detected and being reported, if we knew the full risk (being detected) we would have used the bot either not at all or even more because its a gaureenteed banned so we could at least get some money back for it. I am going to start using honorbuddy to its full extent with no regard.

Right now they cannot guarentee any safety from "detection" , reports is same as always and is all on you regarding typical behavior. In other words: right now its even more unsafe to bot than usual.

 

[Demondog70]

I think then Mafia you have missed the position altogether and that is from the get go.

Look if we, and I say that in the widest reference possible, had the LUXURY of having a bot that never could be detected and botters could only get caught thru stupidity we would have what no other bot has ever or will ever have. Let us make this 100% clear for you any anyone else who is thinking the same way you are.

NO BOT WILL EVER GO UNDETECTABLE FOR EVA....!!!! NONE!!!

What will happen and what bot makers hope will happen is that it will go a long time before Blizz figures out how to detect it and then hope they can find a way to shut that down to again sustain for a long time until it is detected again.

We honestly can not sit here and be so stupid as to believe that Blizzard does not have good programmers also working to shut us down. Come on!!!

 

[quinzds]

I think then Mafia you have missed the position altogether and that is from the get go.

Look if we, and I say that in the widest reference possible, had the LUXURY of having a bot that never could be detected and botters could only get caught thru stupidity we would have what no other bot has ever or will ever have. Let us make this 100% clear for you any anyone else who is thinking the same way you are.

NO BOT WILL EVER GO UNDETECTABLE FOR EVA....!!!! NONE!!!

What will happen and what bot makers hope will happen is that it will go a long time before Blizz figures out how to detect it and then hope they can find a way to shut that down to again sustain for a long time until it is detected again.

We honestly can not sit here and be so stupid as to believe that Blizzard does not have good programmers also working to shut us down. Come on!!!

I understand that it will never be undetectable, but they can offer periods of "up to date" phases in which tripwire can alarm any attempts they run on scanning software and it will shut down the bot before it hits, now you never really know when their software overruns the tripwire but my point is right now it is "known" to be detectable 100% and you have a lot more risk then when it is updated to a new version that can handle the "current" software they run against us. Sometimes we are lucky and this time we weren't, tripwire was outdated for their new approach and they scanned right through it. It also seemed to have happened during a "testing" version of the client so basically that means when it is in testing they are not sure if it is safe enough. People ignored it and got banned by the hammer alltogether. Some were smart and don't bot during a "testing" bot client version.

 

[Demondog70]

I understand that it will never be undetectable, but they can offer periods of "up to date" phases in which tripwire can alarm any attempts they run on scanning software and it will shut down the bot before it hits, now you never really know when their software overruns the tripwire but my point is right now it is "known" to be detectable 100% and you have a lot more risk then when it is updated to a new version that can handle the "current" software they run against us. Sometimes we are lucky and this time we weren't, tripwire was outdated for their new approach and they scanned right through it. It also seemed to have happened during a "testing" version of the client so basically that means when it is in testing they are not sure if it is safe enough. People ignored it and got banned by the hammer alltogether. Some were smart and don't bot during a "testing" bot client version.

What do you think they have done? Just open it back up with nothing to protect? They believe they know what happened and they made adjustments to tripwire to deal with that. Now does this mean tomorrow Blizz could not spring something on us that could be completely different or next week or next month.....The short answer is no.

 

[quinzds]

What do you think they have done? Just open it back up with nothing to protect? They believe they know what happened and they made adjustments to tripwire to deal with that. Now does this mean tomorrow Blizz could not spring something on us that could be completely different or next week or next month.....The short answer is no.

I guess you are right. But lets "assume" that they do a banwave every 3 to 6 months. Let's say 6 to make it simple. And let's assume they have been detecting HB again during this time. I wonder what happens if i bot only the first month, and not the 5 months after, would they still ban me on the 6th for something i did 5 months ago you think?

 

[Zicoth]

I guess you are right. But lets "assume" that they do a banwave every 3 to 6 months. Let's say 6 to make it simple. And let's assume they have been detecting HB again during this time. I wonder what happens if i bot only the first month, and not the 5 months after, would they still ban me on the 6th for something i did 5 months ago you think?

Id say if you bot first month and rest no, there huge chance be not banned for now. But blizzard always changing rules, so you never know.