Banwave 10-11-2016 Discussion

[obzzcure]

Not only wow, but D3 had also a bot sweeping.So blizzard has started this big anti bot campaine.
And they are successful.And they are going full throttle this time.
I think the good botting days are over on blizzard games.

 

[pimpampum]

i got you covered bro. first, im almost completely blind, which all my guildies know. the officers of my guild know i bot. i donate 90% of my gold income to the gbank to be distributed for raid repairs and consumables.

i rolled a new account 4 days ago. ive made 92k in the last three days and deposited 90k to the bank. im only lvl 35. so who benefits from my routine? every person i know.

Your personal case is extremely specific. Of course, it creates empathy and we tend to think that it is fair and nice. But if we scratch the surface and dig on the reasons and the results of you routine-botting, thing are not that obvious.

1))As I mentioned in an earlier message, it is not the bot responsibility being used to help a disabled person. It's great, but that should fall on the game creators. No matter how positively you are using the bot, it is against the ToS.

2)) The fact that you donate 90% of your gold income to the guild might sound like buying a raid spot when they know you are not playing. I think the appropriate word for it would be "bribery".

3))Who benefits from your routine?---> Again, it is your routine, friend. Not you. When your routine outheals another guildie, 2 possible outcomes: that healer, who is playing fair and is trying to look at the life bars , smart using his heals, dodging crap, and everything, will think that he is not doing well enough. That YOU outperform him. And he will feel like crap. Or, even worse, the officer will laugh at him with something like "lol, even the bot heals better than you". I've seen the 2 things happening. Not fair or pleasant to that person.

And 3.2 , I don't think that the benched guy / girl / dog would agree that they are benefiting from you using a routine.

You can paint it pink if you feel like it, but you will always be pretending to be healing. Sorry to be harsh, but it is how I see the truth.

 

[quinzds]

Not only wow, but D3 had also a bot sweeping.So blizzard has started this big anti bot campaine.
And they are successful.And they are going full throttle this time.
I think the good botting days are over on blizzard games.

Yep as already stated by the developers of HB , Blizzard went big this time, it's not just HB getting hit. EVERY bot software out there has been hit. There is currently no program safe for botting , though it never actually was to begin with; but now you can't even last more than a day or 2 perhaps.

 

[pimpampum]

bad players are still bad on bots believe it or not. especially the devs - they know wow mechanics very well to be able to make a bot perform that well and it usually translates into if they felt like it they would play wow fine by hand. My arena and raid rankings by hand are both higher than when I use HB even what are considered the best bots (like for PVE Millz Demonic). Botting can make a bad player decent, but for good players it just removes the trash grinding like the mindless WQ's which are absolutely required to get anywhere in the current content.

Frosticus could be an elite player if he felt like doing it for all we know. 2 players using the exact same CR will still perform differently - the better player will still be better.

and yes, the rest of the guild would still prefer the boss be dead and they all got loot if Frosticus got the raid spot than GF XXX who tries really hard by hand and wipes them.

Agreed on the first part, but fail to see the relevance. We are talking routines, not repetitive tasks. To my PoV, WQ fall upon the second group.

Unfair is unfair. I've played and raided for long. And I could beat any bot due to making better decisions based upon the fight's knowledge, timing, etc. But it is extremely easier to just focus on dodging crap. It will make me look better, and by comparison my raidmates worse.

Personally,I completely disagree with your perception that the guild would still prefer the boss dead using bots. Because they know that they could be next in line.

Can you see the follow up? Routines would start being a necessity for applying to a guild, in order to assure optimum raid performance. Actually, there has been cases where something like that had been happening to a certain dps class.

And then, the girlfriend (I find it funny that I never talked about a girlfriend, just girl, and yet you use it trying to reinforce a false point. As it is something really common in guilds, I have no problems in keeping that analogy for your amusement) would start using a bot. And she would outperform Frosticus, or the next-on-the-line healer or dps. And he /she would be benched. Repeat ad nauseam.

 

[quinzds]

It doesn't matter now... No matter what you do, botting is against Blizzard and will be banned and especially now it will never be safe again because Blizzard has stepped higher grounds and moved mountains and their wave of armies against the bots are breaking through and winning the war. It is over for botting long term usage.

 

[Wellandtrash]

2 accounts on 2 year bans and 2 accounts on 6 month bans

 

[Hatdred]

I think this is the biggest ban wave of all time nearly with so many hit

 

[Demondog70]

Hold on a sec....I think I am getting deja vu.....no....it's just another wave.........Here's the pickle....There will always be waves.....The thing is the bot makers ability to survive the wave and build a better mouse trap for what has presented itself. I think HB is in a much better position than other bot maker past and present. In the past when a bot was hit sales would slow and because the bot maker only had one bot it would basically kill them because they did not have enough funding to rebuild their name in the market. HB has many bots bringing in revenues so not only can they fight legal battles but also rebuild their name and figure out what went wrong.

Be patient guys. This is just another round in a really long fight. Has the landscape changed any? I don't know and neither do any of us. Are they being more successful than in the past? Yeah. I feel so. But is the end near? I don't think so. Not just yet.

 

[quinzds]

Hold on a sec....I think I am getting deja vu.....no....it's just another wave.........Here's the pickle....There will always be waves.....The thing is the bot makers ability to survive the wave and build a better mouse trap for what has presented itself. I think HB is in a much better position than other bot maker past and present. In the past when a bot was hit sales would slow and because the bot maker only had one bot it would basically kill them because they did not have enough funding to rebuild their name in the market. HB has many bots bringing in revenues so not only can they fight legal battles but also rebuild their name and figure out what went wrong.

Be patient guys. This is just another round in a really long fight. Has the landscape changed any? I don't know and neither do any of us. Are they being more successful than in the past? Yeah. I feel so. But is the end near? I don't think so. Not just yet.

I think you're half right, the end is not near for all of HB regarding other games they have bots out for... But any games related to Blizzard it seems they have taken up a really strong pace against HB and other bot developers and so is it the end? maybe for world of wacraft botting etc it is. Maybe they can build up a new code and tripwire it again up to date but if they broke through this hard once they can do it again and so it is getting riskier every time blizzard decides to take more aggressive methods. And believe me , Blizzard has endless funds to keep fighting HB and are probably willing to spend as much as it takes to keep us offline.

 

[Demondog70]

I don't think we are done with Bliz by a long shot. But we will all have our opinions on this and only time will truly tell.

 

[kurfer]

Looks like a couple of fat healer chicks got their raiding spot back since I can't raid right now

I figured by taking over as the main tuanhealerpro in my guild I would force these fatties to stop playing video games and MAYBE exercise a little...damn you blizzard and your ban waves.

 

[godpan]

i love it when people try to use this in an actual argument. my tuanhapro routine helps me heal the other 14 raid members much better than your gf 'trying her best'

whats better, your guild actually killing a boss, or giving your gf a raid spot she doesnt deserve?

Agree with u, mate!
I also do my best, but the problem is that my computer has long ceased to draw on the Warcraft setting. I use these routines just because my best is not enough, but I still want to remain competitive in this addon

 

[Xarian]

i love it when people try to use this in an actual argument. my tuanhapro routine helps me heal the other 14 raid members much better than your gf 'trying her best'

whats better, your guild actually killing a boss, or giving your gf a raid spot she doesnt deserve?

Yeah cuz, you would be much better then her if you played by hand. You cant play by hand, you need a bot.

She deserves the spot more then you, but your getting it. Your arguement is very dumb

 

[Zarm]

Ive been botting wow since before i joined this site, HB has been the most reliable i have used over the years.
Anyone whos been doing it as long as me and longer knows this has happened almost every year at some point (maybe 2 years ago if i remember right? good job!).
Just getting pretty tired of people blowing this out of proportion.

Its a big ban wave yes, just wait for the developers to update.
The Buddy team always make a huge effort and always deliver a good product when the new release is out.
Support should be given to them and not all the negative comments, discussions and needless threads. The community on here always used to be supportive and not complain quite as much as ive seen recently, so lets try it guys. Disscussion and appreciation.

This exact same example of a ban wave has happened before as i said, and you were using the version of HB that was updated to fix that. They fix it every time and it works just as well if not better than before.
Why do people not think of this?

Relax and have a week or two off. Im treating this as a holiday to get some home projects done and spend time with family.

 

[lolp1]

Looks like a couple of fat healer chicks got their raiding spot back since I can't raid right now

I figured by taking over as the main tuanhealerpro in my guild I would force these fatties to stop playing video games and MAYBE exercise a little...damn you blizzard and your ban waves.

Did you have consider becoming a better healer than some "fattie girl" you got replaced by?

 

[ski]

Ive been botting wow since before i joined this site, HB has been the most reliable i have used over the years.
Anyone whos been doing it as long as me and longer knows this has happened almost every year at some point (maybe 2 years ago if i remember right? good job!).
Just getting pretty tired of people blowing this out of proportion.

Its a big ban wave yes, just wait for the developers to update.
The Buddy team always make a huge effort and always deliver a good product when the new release is out.
Support should be given to them and not all the negative comments, discussions and needless threads. The community on here always used to be supportive and not complain quite as much as ive seen recently, so lets try it guys. Disscussion and appreciation.

This exact same example of a ban wave has happened before as i said, and you were using the version of HB that was updated to fix that. They fix it every time and it works just as well if not better than before.
Why do people not think of this?

Relax and have a week or two off. Im treating this as a holiday to get some home projects done and spend time with family.

My man.

 

[Demondog70]

I think people fail to realise that these situations create opportunities for HB to sure up the bot as new holes are closed. It's a cat and mouse game and the cat scored on the mouse now it's time for the mouse to rebound.

 

[tiguana]

"Fattie Healer Chick" here... lol! I can't even level now though, since it just seems so mundane. Have any other the other Bots got a clue as to what Bliz did this time that was so different? I wonder what "Passive" methods they think were used. I looked accross every single Bot and it really seems widespread. SO BORED NOW! What else is everyone playing to keep busy?

 

[Frnge]

got an acct banned with the rest of you. Just now disabled tripwire and made a new acct. Let ya know how quick it gets banned. It cost me 9.99 US and a bullshit email address.

 

[tadeudca]

Only used two times to level and now after 1 year break i come back after 3 weeks i got an 6 month ban!! yeah i'll never pay for any blizz game anymore!