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[Official] Demonbuddy Auth after Banwave

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ElPaintero said:
Challenge. I can tell the difference between you and this bot. It is very hard to act like a bot every time, especially with regard to the awkward pauses it makes at very unhuman times. I'd bet you don't close your inventory after IDing, wait for about 500ms, then walk directly to the vendor. And I bet when you're walking back to the town portal, you don't walk to the dead center of the TP before you use it.

EDIT: Every time.
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With the exception of the TP thing (aka, doing something that has to be a bot, because a player can't do that), then there could be legit players that do that. I have very slight OCD. It is not noticible to anyone but me generally, and it is in a very small amount of very specific things. Like I have to count my fingers when I pop them, and I have to pop every finger at the knuckle if I do one at the knuckle, or all in the middle of my finger if I do one in the middle.

That being said, I know some seriously OCD people who have some really complex rituals with very specific timing. I guarantee you there are people who play / played D3 and did exactly what you are suggesting, with their own twist maybe, but that twist would be consistent too.
 
Pausing before an action would not be definitive proof of a bot.. Even if you did it every single time.. Blizz will not action an account unless they feel they have obtained some form of definitive proof.

For all they know your random seemingly consistent pauses after certain actions very well could be the cause of high latency in your connection... i.e. a crap internet connection...
 
StrangerThanFiction said:
Pausing before an action would not be definitive proof of a bot.. Even if you did it every single time.. Blizz will not action an account unless they feel they have obtained some form of definitive proof.

For all they know your random seemingly consistent pauses after certain actions very well could be the cause of high latency in your connection... i.e. a crap internet connection...
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Yeah, if it is related to items, IDing, stashing, selling, etc it has to be the way these actions are done. Not the timing or order.
 
It does seem like the item handling of the bots could be what they are looking at, or at least it fits the criteria of what we are seeing from the bans. Gold farmers mostly escaping this ban wave, and people (myself included) still have bots that weren't banned that are not 60 yet even though we used the same champion farming profiles to level. If they have logs that go something like this then I could see it:

ManBearPig sold xyz item at - 19:47:03:15
ManBearPig sold xyz item at - 19:47:03:17
ManBearPig sold xyz item at - 19:47:03:19

If items sold ALWAYS fall within a specific time interval, say .1-.3 seconds like what was discussed earlier in this thread, then that could be used to determine the player was botting. To the previous poster that said they ID like a bot it's not possible. You might do it most of the time, maybe even 99.9%, but I guarantee you don't always do it. Someone calls your name and it takes your attention away, or you have to itch your hand while ID'ing, or you misclick, or you sneeze, etc. The moment you miss one you are no longer at 100%. Bots are 100%, and are now searchable with an algorithm. I wasn't aware of the trinity plugin letting you change the delay of vendoring items. Was it on by default or did you have to check it?
 
LargeInt said:
With the exception of the TP thing (aka, doing something that has to be a bot, because a player can't do that), then there could be legit players that do that. I have very slight OCD. It is not noticible to anyone but me generally, and it is in a very small amount of very specific things. Like I have to count my fingers when I pop them, and I have to pop every finger at the knuckle if I do one at the knuckle, or all in the middle of my finger if I do one in the middle.

That being said, I know some seriously OCD people who have some really complex rituals with very specific timing. I guarantee you there are people who play / played D3 and did exactly what you are suggesting, with their own twist maybe, but that twist would be consistent too.
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OCD doesn't make you super human lol... Do you even understand reletivity in milliseconds? If I told you to count each finger taking no more, no less that 500 m/s each time, do you think you could do it? There's a difference between OCD and perfection lol... OCD means you will run the same route, try for the same exact time frame, sort your loot specifically. I highly doubt that anyone clicks the SAME EXACT SPOT with 100% accuracy 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I doubt that person times and pauses EXACTLY the same time 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

I'm going to call talking out your ass on this one ;).
 
There is no 'random' in programming. A program cannot be random, because a computer does not understand. It can use an algorithm, it can use a pattern to make it look random to us, but the whole story is, its not. No matter how long the repetition itself is or how smart the pattern, eventually you can find it out.
 
InMemories said:
There is no 'random' in programming. A program cannot be random, because a computer does not understand. It can use an algorithm, it can use a pattern to make it look random to us, but the whole story is, its not. No matter how long the repetition itself is or how smart the pattern, eventually you can find it out.
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I am not a programmer, but i understand that you cannot make something random.
But you can make few lets call them profiles and program will chose randomly (using the same algorytm that is chosing random relog time) on wich one he will use to empty the bags. And those will be changing lets say every month or few weeks. Also for the farming profiles (If there is such possibility of ocurse). The Blizzard have little time to search and destroy the bots :).
 
One thing to keep in mind, about detection comming from items picking or questing. Some people reported that they bought DB and ran only for 1 day and got banned. Which would mean (if above statments where correct) that my bot would also be banned, but it didn't. He was lvling from lvl 15-60, doing quests, picking items, etc.
Also got a friend who is a "massive" botter, his bots only pick up very very small % of items, they are not doiing quests and still all of them where banned.
 
Ok, going to clear up a few misconceptions here.

1) Being able to ID items without the inventory open is something Blizzard currently "doesn't care about". They never send the server anything related to inventory visibility. (Whether it's open, closed, at the stash, etc. This is fixed in the next release though)
2) The stash is treated as 1 big inventory, not 3 separate pages. This is why it seems like we're stashing into pages not shown. (This is being fixed for the next release)
3) TPing before you have TP... go to A2 as a level 1 (use a friend). You now have TP. Again, should be fixed soon.
4) D3 packets do not contain a "timestamp" on them. So no matter how "perfectly timed" our stuff looks, there's always the big randomizer, Lag. Of course, this doesn't mean they can't track certain things (a lot of things are getting much wider randomization timers)

And lastly, speculation is nice, but guys, please don't toss out ideas and assume them as fact. Keep things civil in this thread or we're going to have to clean it up and infraction people for breaking rules.
 
You as core developer, do you believe Blizzard can't detect bots even if they wanted? I'm a network guy, not a programmer but I strongly believe Blizzard just decides on when and how many to ban and has no problem to detect whatsoever. How they do it? Can't tell. Might be warden piggy backing on local (client-side data) might be something in the packets but at least the packets your are sending you can counter-check with legit player packets. They might implement things that only bots can act upon.

They might have behaviour patters / self-learning algorithms in use and they have tons of data to feed it / make it learn etc. Anyways, your product is great, I'm not complaining in any way, just curious about it :)
 
Apoc said:
Ok, going to clear up a few misconceptions here.

1) Being able to ID items without the inventory open is something Blizzard currently "doesn't care about". They never send the server anything related to inventory visibility. (Whether it's open, closed, at the stash, etc. This is fixed in the next release though)
2) The stash is treated as 1 big inventory, not 3 separate pages. This is why it seems like we're stashing into pages not shown. (This is being fixed for the next release)
3) TPing before you have TP... go to A2 as a level 1 (use a friend). You now have TP. Again, should be fixed soon.
4) D3 packets do not contain a "timestamp" on them. So no matter how "perfectly timed" our stuff looks, there's always the big randomizer, Lag. Of course, this doesn't mean they can't track certain things (a lot of things are getting much wider randomization timers)

And lastly, speculation is nice, but guys, please don't toss out ideas and assume them as fact. Keep things civil in this thread or we're going to have to clean it up and infraction people for breaking rules.
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Thanks alot for the info :)
 
I dont write often / at all in this forums, majorly reading and learning. But I wanted to contribute that I fully trust in the ability and work of the developers and I am happy the bot is going to work soon again.
Just let the guys do their job and we all know they are quite good at what they do not only fighting for the rights of a lot of people but also delivering a good product that is worth every penny.

I am botting since Glider times and only once got an account banned at all. Now with D3 its the same. My one and only bot account is still going and I will use it without hesitation as soon as the auth server is back online.
I believe if I learned something from all the years of time that products like the big G, pirox or the Buddy software saved me its that people on the internet tend to lie a lot. May it be by fictional numbers they make up in terms of earning money or telling people they got banned and want a product refund. I dont say its not true that single guy who just bought DBuddy got banned 3h after using it for the first time but its also as likely that he is scared and wants a quick refund. Which he would get anyway but most people need some kind of justification for everything to sleep better at night.

In the end it comes all down to the golden rules, never bot on your main account and only do bot if you can take a hit to your financials.
I believe with the ability to play a character to 60 in less than 3h and the buget to equip it to create a quick ROI many of you should grow some balls and just take it like it is.
Botting will always be a game of cat and mice and we are not the cats in this game.

I think its not said often enough and small gestures often go a long way but thank you Apoc and the rest of the team for all the time I could spend with friends and family instead of having to sit in front of my pc collecting digital currency and items.
Looking forward to using Demonbuddy again and I wish everyone on the team a merry christmas and time spent with your families as well instead of getting a headache about a community full of unthankful people who get out their pitchforks first time a big banwave appears.
 
Hawker said:
So we have to be ultra-cautious and do a set of simulations to ensure that Demonbuddy appears as human as possible to the D3 servers.
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What prevents Diablo3 look at the description of the processes and expose all of your tricks?
Demonbuddy is not protected from a simple scan from Diablo 3.
Renaming a file does not solve the problem.
This is a good way to get banned.

See the example on the picture:
goodwaytoban.webp
 
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