[PAID] [Warlock] Demonic - An Advanced Honorbuddy Warlock Routine [PvE/PvP]

[fortis931]

Just bought this today and I have no idea how to configure it for raiding/pve. I'm kind of too used to Gladiator CR where it just auto casts a flawless rotation simply by targetting what you want to kill.

Can you offer some very easy to follow explanation how to set this up for destro pve? At the moment the only thing it seems to want to do is spam fear on a target.

How do I technology?

 

[nilrem2004]

Nilrem,

My question is that with your profiles for Mythic do you use the Ore/Gruul profile for Blackhand? and also on Mythic Ore I was only pulling about 32k is that about right for DPS on mythic using your profile?

havent killed Blackhand yet on mythic, I'm on Blast furnace atm, but I guess gruul/ore profile will be good for blackhand mythic.
Oregorger depends on your positioning, best dps you will make if you follow ore around and keep dps-ing him, don't forget do disable CD's in phase 2 and enable in phase 1 again.

 

[nilrem2004]

I disabled every proc in the aura list based on trinkets, ring, weapon enchant. This was indeed the cause of mindless touch of chaos spam. This behavior is causing some dps loss since it will drain your fury everytime a proc happens.
I used nilrems aswell, but he also has meta enbled for both trinkets. This toc spam behavior happens with his list aswell.

I have no idea why you would go into meta on a proc since you want max fury gain for using it with a DS. The odd thing is when i get over the cap of molten core stacks and Ds in not on cooldown, it just spams SF to it's respected number without a trinket, ring or enchant proc for more dps. It seems to ignore the aura list settings.

soulfire will fire up in normal form if mc stacks are over the value you set (mine is 8) to prevent capping. in meta form it will fire up on trinket procs in aura list if MC stacks are over 5 and DS cd > 30 secs so you have 5 atleast for when DS is up. The latter works best if you don't save DS for Bloodlust since then it would always have a stack up. If trinket procs and you don't have conditions to fire Soulfires it will go to meta form to spam what he can to use the trinket.

It is following simcraft: metamorphosis,if=(trinket.stacking_proc.multistrike.react|trinket.proc.any.react)&((demonic_fury>450&action.dark_soul.recharge_time>=10&glyph.dark_soul.enabled)|(demonic_fury>650&cooldown.dark_soul.remains>=10))
although for safety reasons we have put DS cd to be over 30 secs, since sometimes it could leave you dry.

 

[decks]

Thank you for the information. But the behavior of blowing everything with toc is far from perfect. Many times it blows fury on proc with toc doing minimal damage when i need the fury for cleave CW on beastlord for example. On blackhand this behavior is really bad due very heavy movement in p1. It left me out dry many times when i had many stacks up and fury but cannot cast due the movement.
Disabling meta on movement and meta in auralist for trinkets, enchant and ring solved all my problems for now.

Is it not a dps loss when it just fires up mc stacks in normal instead of waiting for some kind of proc from the aura list? like destro and chaos bolt.

Also started to play semi manual + hotkeys to cope with this behavior. Gonna do some testing next week with the changes for going into meta bahavior and this toc spam.

For patchwork fights the simcraft method would work proper but for heavy movement or specific jobs and pooling resources imo this will need a lot of manual play for proper execution.

I have a question for millz and nilrem. What is the plan for destruction. I am sencing that this spec is gonna be more superior next patch. I tried playing this spec with the routine on few bosses and it could use some love with extra options in micromanagement like we managed in demo. For example it would be very handy if we could pool up conflag for fast cleave like beastlord/thorgan fights.

Maybe some people have extra idea's for destro improvements.

Greets D

 

[decks]

havent killed Blackhand yet on mythic, I'm on Blast furnace atm, but I guess gruul/ore profile will be good for blackhand mythic.
Oregorger depends on your positioning, best dps you will make if you follow ore around and keep dps-ing him, don't forget do disable CD's in phase 2 and enable in phase 1 again.

I am on Blackhand Mythic and you need to intervene/play 50 % manual or you do shit dps. To much movement and you most like have certain job like doing adds on balcony. This requires to pool fury and CW charges. The fight is very unforgiven that way.

 

[IvanRJ]

BUG - [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Lvl 100 Alliance Warlock @ 100.0%

Fresh Install, and still spaming that when I click on a player or npc

[17:50:12.632 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Lvl 100 Alliance Warlock @ 100.0% - 189.4k - 2.4yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]
[17:50:20.157 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Lvl 100 Alliance Warlock @ 100.0% - 189.4k - 2.3yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]
[17:50:21.188 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Me @ 100.0% - 82.0k - 0.0yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]
[17:51:52.703 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Ernst ten Bosch @ 100.0% - 97.9k - 5.4yds] [Id:85959] [TTD:999]
[17:51:58.776 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Private Tristan @ 100.0% - 17.5k - 7.6yds] [Id:86065] [TTD:999]
[17:51:59.737 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Private Tristan @ 100.0% - 17.5k - 7.4yds] [Id:86065] [TTD:999]
[17:52:01.787 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Lvl 100 Alliance Rogue @ 100.0% - 271.7k - 5.5yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]
[17:52:09.009 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Lvl 100 Alliance Hunter @ 100.0% - 302.7k - 17.4yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]
[17:52:14.321 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Lvl 100 Alliance Warlock @ 100.0% - 339.6k - 0.2yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]

Rgds

 

[nilrem2004]

Thank you for the information. But the behavior of blowing everything with toc is far from perfect. Many times it blows fury on proc with toc doing minimal damage when i need the fury for cleave CW on beastlord for example. On blackhand this behavior is really bad due very heavy movement in p1. It left me out dry many times when i had many stacks up and fury but cannot cast due the movement.
Disabling meta on movement and meta in auralist for trinkets, enchant and ring solved all my problems for now.

Is it not a dps loss when it just fires up mc stacks in normal instead of waiting for some kind of proc from the aura list? like destro and chaos bolt.

Also started to play semi manual + hotkeys to cope with this behavior. Gonna do some testing next week with the changes for going into meta bahavior and this toc spam.

For patchwork fights the simcraft method would work proper but for heavy movement or specific jobs and pooling resources imo this will need a lot of manual play for proper execution.

I have a question for millz and nilrem. What is the plan for destruction. I am sencing that this spec is gonna be more superior next patch. I tried playing this spec with the routine on few bosses and it could use some love with extra options in micromanagement like we managed in demo. For example it would be very handy if we could pool up conflag for fast cleave like beastlord/thorgan fights.

Maybe some people have extra idea's for destro improvements.

Greets D

Well for specific fights where you need different behaviour the only thing to do would be to detect the boss fight start and then pool resources for burn phases based on timers, something like DBM does, but that is a hell of a lot of work for each boss to do.
I have meta form on a mouse button and when I want routine to not spend my fury or even force it to meta I click the button, combined with HoG/CW hotkey does wonders since I get to unleash full 3 stacks. It just needs some creativity
At this state Destro seems fine, only thing it needs is to correct a bug where sometimes it casts Havoc and after that conflag or something so it drops stacks to 2. And maybe what you said a way to pool conflags + 3 embers for burst.

I am on Blackhand Mythic and you need to intervene/play 50 % manual or you do shit dps. To much movement and you most like have certain job like doing adds on balcony. This requires to pool fury and CW charges. The fight is very unforgiven that way.

Yeah am also forcing it in and out of meta on many fights manually to do what I want.

After patch we will mainly be playing affliction from what I got to test. Destro will also be good on some fights but I will mainly play affliction.

 

[boombam]

Thank you for the information. But the behavior of blowing everything with toc is far from perfect. Many times it blows fury on proc with toc doing minimal damage when i need the fury for cleave CW on beastlord for example. On blackhand this behavior is really bad due very heavy movement in p1. It left me out dry many times when i had many stacks up and fury but cannot cast due the movement.
Disabling meta on movement and meta in auralist for trinkets, enchant and ring solved all my problems for now.

Is it not a dps loss when it just fires up mc stacks in normal instead of waiting for some kind of proc from the aura list? like destro and chaos bolt.

Also started to play semi manual + hotkeys to cope with this behavior. Gonna do some testing next week with the changes for going into meta bahavior and this toc spam.

For patchwork fights the simcraft method would work proper but for heavy movement or specific jobs and pooling resources imo this will need a lot of manual play for proper execution.

I have a question for millz and nilrem. What is the plan for destruction. I am sencing that this spec is gonna be more superior next patch. I tried playing this spec with the routine on few bosses and it could use some love with extra options in micromanagement like we managed in demo. For example it would be very handy if we could pool up conflag for fast cleave like beastlord/thorgan fights.

Maybe some people have extra idea's for destro improvements.

Greets D

we're also just starting to work on mythic BH, but the amount of manual control needed for optimal performance is far from limited to this boss as i'm sure you've seen. the only way a CR could do better on almost full auto is mob/encounter detection and blacklists for encounter specific performance. nearly every fight you can improve the performance by constantly turning on and off CW at the right times, forcing it out of meta at appropriate times, etc. without boss/mob detection it's just impossible to do all these things perfectly on auto. the whole meta/TOC or SF spam on procs is actually a dps increase *as long as* there is no need for fury pooling for the next 20 secs or so since at some point in between every DS cycle you will have to fury dump anyways just to not cap and doing it during procs is a dps increase over doing it with 0 procs. The only way the CR would know if you would need a fury pool in the next ~20 secs is using encounter specific detection and memorizing timers between various mechanics but understandably that would make coding the CR WAY WAY more complicated.

the easiest way to avoid all this is just turn off all the fury dumping aura's like you did and there is probably minimal dps loss with always good fury pooling for the right times. the alternative is to let it do the meta/TOC or SF on procs but manually just going out of meta when you know you need the fury soon. most of the fury dumps between DS just to avoid capping will be without procs this way and the procs will be used just for normal stance shadowbolts, but the dps difference is small and much easier to play. when i'm being lazy i go the turn off everything to always have fury when i want it method, and when i'm trying to scum for ranks i leave everything on but manually leave meta tracking the next fury pool needed on bosswig timers and CD timers. Even with using the aura list abilities, when you leave meta the CR seems to know not to keep trying to fight you to go back in and keep dumping. the small dps difference will never make or break an encounter either way though.

the other thing i'm sure all the more advanced raiders have noticed is the delay in fury detection limits, but i'm pretty sure this is some limitation CR's just can't do perfectly. very often if you set the lower fury limit to say 600, it may not detect it the very instant it goes below this and sometimes will go 3-4 spells past it apparently even with 0 aura conditions active. to be safe i just set the limit 100-200 fury higher than i would do if manually playing, AND monitoring fury to leave meta manually once in a while when the CR has a delay.

 

[noggii]

Hi,
i use this CR vor 6 Months now and i am Happy with it.
But it is possible to let the CR save some cd´s for the next big event and read it from DBM or similar Addon ?

 

[Cere21]

Hi,
i use this CR vor 6 Months now and i am Happy with it.
But it is possible to let the CR save some cd´s for the next big event and read it from DBM or similar Addon ?

That's a lot of coding for something that is already implemented. Use the Toggle CD hotkey.

 

[leon83]

Millz you go make an update or leave soon so until 6.2

 

[contagion]

I've searched the forum thread...can't find anything prior.

Simple question re Affliction.

Been using Demonic for ages now...but always played as Destro/Demo. Never had an issue before.
Just for a change, I was running as Affliction in lfr.

On the trash before Tectus...I saw my lock pull the mobs on the left side (with the giant Voidwalker). Pretty sure it was Seed of Corruption (small red dot flying at the mob with a red trail behind it).
Thank goodness there were hunters in the group, because they got auto-blamed.

I've checked my settings, but can't see anything obvious. We weren't in combat with those mobs...why did it pull? (using Enyo & Demonic...with targeting OFF)

Short of submitting a logfile...anyone have a quick answer?

Thanks

 

[nilrem2004]

I've searched the forum thread...can't find anything prior.

Simple question re Affliction.

Been using Demonic for ages now...but always played as Destro/Demo. Never had an issue before.
Just for a change, I was running as Affliction in lfr.

On the trash before Tectus...I saw my lock pull the mobs on the left side (with the giant Voidwalker). Pretty sure it was Seed of Corruption (small red dot flying at the mob with a red trail behind it).
Thank goodness there were hunters in the group, because they got auto-blamed.

I've checked my settings, but can't see anything obvious. We weren't in combat with those mobs...why did it pull? (using Enyo & Demonic...with targeting OFF)

Short of submitting a logfile...anyone have a quick answer?

Thanks

log please....

 

[sHAsHiLx]

can someone help me with this CR? or may be maintainer will help with - once im in distance to pull - it pull boss when im in raid and have kicked several times. Force combat is OFF and also foce combat is off in Enyo bot. But anyway - once I'm in distance to pull - it will pull. How can I stop this aggring behavior?

 

[Pasdamour]

pretty sure millz just got back from vacation of 3 week give him abit of time to catch i saw on mage rotation he will push update soon

 

[Calcobrena]

Any tips on how to setup my CR for destro? I tried to run Charred Remains but I have the feeling it's not dumping Embers enough. I build up to 3.5~ embers and while under Dark Soul the routine still doesnt dump them properly, it will still incinerate to go from 3 to 4 burning embers while under the effects of DS. Even though the Chaos Bolt setting's wording would say otherwise.

 

[Millz]

Welcome back Millz, nice to read that you had a great time =)

Are you still working on the "pop DS together with Cataclysm"-hotkey?

Yeah it's done in the beta, just haven't pushed it yet.

hi

i just want to ask about demonic leap when i do it manually the rotation force me out from the meta form anyone facing this and is there a way to fix it

sorry for bad English

The routine will quit from meta form if it doesn't want to be in meta, regardless of how it got put into that form.

I don't play my lock that much and today when I got it (last time was like a month and half ago) I noticed some changes and want to make a few changes.

1. How do I turn off the auto soul stone so that I dont have a 5min debuff and cant BR anyone
2. How do I turn off the sounds "Burstmode enabled"

1) That's a hotkey that's being triggered.

2) Advanced tab

Fresh Install, and still spaming that when I click on a player or npc

[17:50:12.632 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Lvl 100 Alliance Warlock @ 100.0% - 189.4k - 2.4yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]
[17:50:20.157 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Lvl 100 Alliance Warlock @ 100.0% - 189.4k - 2.3yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]
[17:50:21.188 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Me @ 100.0% - 82.0k - 0.0yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]
[17:51:52.703 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Ernst ten Bosch @ 100.0% - 97.9k - 5.4yds] [Id:85959] [TTD:999]
[17:51:58.776 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Private Tristan @ 100.0% - 17.5k - 7.6yds] [Id:86065] [TTD:999]
[17:51:59.737 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Private Tristan @ 100.0% - 17.5k - 7.4yds] [Id:86065] [TTD:999]
[17:52:01.787 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Lvl 100 Alliance Rogue @ 100.0% - 271.7k - 5.5yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]
[17:52:09.009 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Lvl 100 Alliance Hunter @ 100.0% - 302.7k - 17.4yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]
[17:52:14.321 N] [Demonic] [HP: 100] [Mana: 100] [Embers: 1] [Casting: Grimoire: Felhunter] [On: Lvl 100 Alliance Warlock @ 100.0% - 339.6k - 0.2yds] [Id:0] [TTD:999]

Rgds

[Enyo] UseForcedCombatMode: True

 

[Millz]

Millz you go make an update or leave soon so until 6.2

There'll be an update before 6.2. My beta version currently has the following fixes - obviously this hasn't been pushed yet, just an FYI for what's coming;

- [Demonology] If Dark Soul set to before Cataclysm, and hotkey Cataclysm is used, Dark Soul is now cast first.
- Fixed Auto Focus.
- Fixed don't cast on Damage Shield aura, and added Hardened Slag aura.

I've searched the forum thread...can't find anything prior.

Simple question re Affliction.

Been using Demonic for ages now...but always played as Destro/Demo. Never had an issue before.
Just for a change, I was running as Affliction in lfr.

On the trash before Tectus...I saw my lock pull the mobs on the left side (with the giant Voidwalker). Pretty sure it was Seed of Corruption (small red dot flying at the mob with a red trail behind it).
Thank goodness there were hunters in the group, because they got auto-blamed.

I've checked my settings, but can't see anything obvious. We weren't in combat with those mobs...why did it pull? (using Enyo & Demonic...with targeting OFF)

Short of submitting a logfile...anyone have a quick answer?

Thanks

It won't have pulled them unless the unit was already in combat and targeting someone in your party. Either someone else in the party pulled it, or your SoC on a different unit exploded and pulled that unit - but the tanks would have had to have been pretty close to them for that to happen... in which case they'd have already been pulled.

can someone help me with this CR? or may be maintainer will help with - once im in distance to pull - it pull boss when im in raid and have kicked several times. Force combat is OFF and also foce combat is off in Enyo bot. But anyway - once I'm in distance to pull - it will pull. How can I stop this aggring behavior?

Can you post a full, unedited log file please? That shouldn't happen if both force combat methods are off.

Ref: How To Attach a Log

pretty sure millz just got back from vacation of 3 week give him abit of time to catch i saw on mage rotation he will push update soon

Yeah this is my issue, catching up on PMs, LOTS of forum posts, fixing issues at the same time, and then trying to keep up with my real job too. Nightmare. I'm getting there though. Hopefully back to pushing updates this week.

Any tips on how to setup my CR for destro? I tried to run Charred Remains but I have the feeling it's not dumping Embers enough. I build up to 3.5~ embers and while under Dark Soul the routine still doesnt dump them properly, it will still incinerate to go from 3 to 4 burning embers while under the effects of DS. Even though the Chaos Bolt setting's wording would say otherwise.

Reduce the 'cast CB on ember count' value to ~2.5 or something. You generate embers that fast you need to burn them off quicker.

 

[loophole]

This has probably been answered some along the way but don't want to try to sift through 1022 pages.. lol.. anyway

1. Im new to warlock and therefore don't understand a warlocks rotations etc just yet.. haven't even dinged 100 yet... does this CR pretty much run itself in pve and pvp with the standard settings? (for the majority i'm saying)

2. Obviously there is a free version and a paid.. free no movement.. is there anything else that the free leaves out?

Thanks

 

[getmunch]

This has probably been answ
ered some along the way but don't want to try to sift through 1022 pages.. lol.. anyway

1. Im new to warlock and therefore don't understand a warlocks rotations etc just yet.. haven't even dinged 100 yet... does this CR pretty much run itself in pve and pvp with the standard settings? (for the majority i'm saying)

2. Obviously there is a free version and a paid.. free no movement.. is there anything else that the free leaves out?

Thanks

Less configuration settings so most sjared setting for boss specific setting wont work for free version.