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TuanHA Rogue - The Ultimate Experience

Aye there are 102 training dummys now to use; In your garrison at the tower where the portal is where you can find the dummys tuanha.
 
tuanha said:
Ah, lol nvm.

I've made a work around Vanish on dummy fight and Sub doing the same (abit more) dps on dummy vs Assa on new rev.

Thank w8ing4ban :P

Edit: Hmm I don't know what really happen, Import simcraft, disable option for food/flash/potion (because I don't use it) and run simulate...

Simcraft say I can do 13-14k dps on Dummy
I actually do 15-16k dps (maybe I pick the wrong dummy? I'm testing on the level 85 one in Stormwind)
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You need to use the raid dummy in Warspear (or whatever the Alliance draenor town is called) any other dummy will not give you accurate readings. If you push a new update in the next hour or 2 let me know and ill update and test it for you. I just downloaded your shaman guest mode edition and im trying it out with my new ele shaman :) will you ever be making an priest routine? and is it possible for me to upgrade to a full routine package if I have already purchased the rogue package? I love most of your profiles :) things like sub spec and maybe other specs on classes just need some rework but I understand you have a lot of work to do still cause of all the updates from WoD. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help. Also if you are checking sim dps on a rogue you should use a website called shadowcraft it's very good. Sorry about the TLDR haha
 
hmm, noticed that since a few releases, it keeps trying to throw when out of range, can i remove that? cant find a option to disable. Thanks!
 
tuanha said:
Ah, lol nvm.

I've made a work around Vanish on dummy fight and Sub doing the same (abit more) dps on dummy vs Assa on new rev.

Thank w8ing4ban :P

Edit: Hmm I don't know what really happen, Import simcraft, disable option for food/flash/potion (because I don't use it) and run simulate...

Simcraft say I can do 13-14k dps on Dummy
I actually do 15-16k dps (maybe I pick the wrong dummy? I'm testing on the level 85 one in Stormwind)
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Ok Tuanha I have tested the new revision. Sub is still roughly 2k under were it needs to be compared to sim dps for me. I did some study of the Sub routine on Icy veins and from what I can see there are a few major issues. 1) Rupture is refreshing roughly 3-5 seconds after it has fallen off. Due to a talent called sinister calling this is a massive dps loss as sinister calling pushes a bleed forward 2 secs in its tick. Rupture needs to be reapplied with 8-6 seconds left on it. 2) When using Shadow Reflection the rotation is using shadow dance before it casts Shadow Reflection wich is incorrect it should always cast Shadow Reflection > Rupture > Shadow Dance. 3) The open sequence also seems off and or slow. The trinkets are used a full 3-4 seconds before it seems to start the opening sequence. The opening sequence should look like this (this is a direct copy from icy viens)
1.A few seconds before the pull, get Slice and Dice up, using the Combo Points that healers will have generated for you through Honor Among Thieves.
2.1 second before the pull, use your Draenic Agility Potion and get in Stealth.
3.Cast Premeditation and Ambush until stealth is removed.
4.Cast Hemorrhage.
5.Cast Shadow Reflection and use on-use trinkets and racials at the same time.
6.Apply Rupture.
7.Cast Shadow Dance.
8.Spam Ambush and cast Eviscerate whenever you reach 5 Combo Points.
9.Start the regular rotation.

This opening rotation assumes that you are using the tier 1 talent Subterfuge (which you should be).


I hope this helps Tuanha let me know what you think :)

(P.S Your Assassination routine seems absolutely flawless now! :) )
 
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The latest changes have definitely improved my sub DPS, my burst has gone from ~22K to ~28K and overall DPS is about 3K higher than it was. Keep up the good work!
 
w8ing4ban said:
Ok Tuanha I have tested the new revision. Sub is still roughly 2k under were it needs to be compared to sim dps for me. I did some study of the Sub routine on Icy veins and from what I can see there are a few major issues. 1) Rupture is refreshing roughly 3-5 seconds after it has fallen off. Due to a talent called sinister calling this is a massive dps loss as sinister calling pushes a bleed forward 2 secs in its tick. Rupture needs to be reapplied with 8-6 seconds left on it. 2) When using Shadow Reflection the rotation is using shadow dance before it casts Shadow Reflection wich is incorrect it should always cast Shadow Reflection > Rupture > Shadow Dance. 3) The open sequence also seems off and or slow. The trinkets are used a full 3-4 seconds before it seems to start the opening sequence. The opening sequence should look like this (this is a direct copy from icy viens)
1.A few seconds before the pull, get Slice and Dice up, using the Combo Points that healers will have generated for you through Honor Among Thieves.
2.1 second before the pull, use your Draenic Agility Potion and get in Stealth.
3.Cast Premeditation and Ambush until stealth is removed.
4.Cast Hemorrhage.
5.Cast Shadow Reflection and use on-use trinkets and racials at the same time.
6.Apply Rupture.
7.Cast Shadow Dance.
8.Spam Ambush and cast Eviscerate whenever you reach 5 Combo Points.
9.Start the regular rotation.

This opening rotation assumes that you are using the tier 1 talent Subterfuge (which you should be).


I hope this helps Tuanha let me know what you think :)

(P.S Your Assassination routine seems absolutely flawless now! :) )
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Thank w8ing4ban for the detail help and pinpoint out the problem :D

I've update new version that renew Rupture a bit earlier as you point out.

For the Shadow Dance + Shadow Reflection combo, I think it's doesn't matter what need to cast first because the 2 spell are off GCD and Shadow Reflection only copy the damage during Shadow Dance (Garrote/Ambush/5CP Finished spell, if it copy the Shadow Dance, the spell itself do no damage)

Just lets work for the perfect sub then, some people may hate Assa spec ^.^
 
w8ing4ban said:
what ilvl are you and what are your talents/ glyphs?
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Ilvl is 639. Talents: Shadow Focus, Combat Readiness, Leeching Poison, Burst of Speed, Prey on the Weak, Marked for Death and Shadow Reflection. Glyphs: Ambush, Cloak of Shadows, Hemorrhaging Veins. Glyphs aren't what's recommended for raiding but suit my play style.
 
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tuanha said:
Thank w8ing4ban for the detail help and pinpoint out the problem :D

I've update new version that renew Rupture a bit earlier as you point out.

For the Shadow Dance + Shadow Reflection combo, I think it's doesn't matter what need to cast first because the 2 spell are off GCD and Shadow Reflection only copy the damage during Shadow Dance (Garrote/Ambush/5CP Finished spell, if it copy the Shadow Dance, the spell itself do no damage)

Just lets work for the perfect sub then, some people may hate Assa spec ^.^
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Garrote should never be used in a pve raid situation garrote is only for pvp. I believe the reason you pop Shadow Reflection > Rupture > Shadow Dance is because once you pop shadow dance you want to spend the remainder of the cd spamming ambushs. Then once your clone begins casting it will renew the next rupture for you so that is more energy saved. I will test the new revision shortly I'm just leveling my ele shaman atm :)
 
I hope it's not unfriendly, but I always try to see what you've change in your updates and this is pretty hard without any kind of notes. Could you even write the spell or feature in one word in the svn patch notes?
 
w8ing4ban said:
Garrote should never be used in a pve raid situation garrote is only for pvp. I believe the reason you pop Shadow Reflection > Rupture > Shadow Dance is because once you pop shadow dance you want to spend the remainder of the cd spamming ambushs. Then once your clone begins casting it will renew the next rupture for you so that is more energy saved. I will test the new revision shortly I'm just leveling my ele shaman atm :)
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Hi Tuanha I have tested Sub. Rupture is still falling off for 3-4 seconds before it is being reapplied. Also uptime on Critical Weakness does not seem optimal. Also open burst rotation is still wasting roughly 6-8 secongs of the trinkets. We are getting VERY close to having sub perfect though! :) Good work!
 
w8ing4ban said:
You're doing something wrong in your setup the dps difference should not be that big.
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right; now im using to reboot the boot every time i change talents from assa sub and viceversa.
raid bot tuanha default settings
Assa 17.5 k dps
Sub 13.7 k dps whit vanish in burst mode
634 lvl gear
 
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sgrundy said:
Something is definitely wrong if you're only getting 10K at 644 ilvl. You'll need to provide info on your spec, talents and CR settings.
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Don't touched the settings by any way except, dissabled Attack out of Combat, Auto Movement.... something like this.
dont know what is wrong.
can any1 share he's working settings?

maybe i specc to assa today.
 
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