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TuanHA Rogue - The Ultimate Experience

b0ssgen said:
I main Rogue for almost 9 years now and found to Honorbuddy last week.

So, let me say something about that Routine.

First off, the uptime of SnD and RvS are fcking godlike! pretty much 99, almost 100%.
But there are a lot of things which don't work pretty well.

For example, if you check "vanish offensive", it doesn't use ambush after, which costs just 15 Energy with Talent Shadow Focus. You should instantly Ambush you got the possibility to use it, so i dunno why the Routine simply Autoattacks after re-vanish.

Another point, if you mark "Killingspree & Adrenaline Rush" to use on Cooldown, it uses Adrenaline Rush first and Killing Spree during it. KS doesn't benefite from AdrenRush, so its not pretty good and you miss too many Eviscerates. It should use KS first and AR after to get as many Eviscerates off as possibly cause we all know, for every ComboPoint, Eviscerate reduce the CD of KilljngSpree for 2 Seconds which means -> every Eviscerate with 5 CP's during Adrenaline Rush reduces KS CD for 10 Seconds.


It should open like this:


  • Ambush
  • Revealing Strike
  • Sinister Strike x4 for Shallow Insight (Bandits Guile) and to drop your energy as much as possible
  • Killing Spree (with 30% more Damage due to Shallow Insight (Bandits Guile).
  • Slice and Dice
  • Adrenaline Rush Rotation to reduce Killing Spree CD


from now on, you can just go the standard rota. 5x SS > Eviscerate. Refresh SnD + RvS if needed.
and as mentioned, use Vanish on CD and Ambush after.



Would be really great if you could try to customize the Rota as mentioned above to really get the most DPS out. :)

SnD (Slice and Dice)
RvS (Revealing Strike
AR (Adrenaline Rush)
KS (Killing Spree)
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Are you going to be implementing this anytime soon Tuanha? I bought the premium version of your routine but it isn't anymore dps then the free version and you have been saying you were going to fix the rotations on sub and combat for a week now...

**Edited: Just tested out Assassin and Sub on dummies for 10 minutes each. Assassination is on par with were it should be on Sim charts. Sub is a good 2k dps under the Sim charts. Sub needs a real rework Tuanha. Sub is the best spec at the moment and we can't use it with your routine.
 
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TuanHa do something about looting...every time I want to gather a herb or use an object in the world that needs to loot something I have to pause the bot or I cannot loot... I am using the Glyph of Stealth that reduces the cd on Stealth to a almost a global cooldown. The bot immediately cast stealth after the cast bar(loot) finishes and does not loot the item/ore/herb. Removing the glyph or remove stealth from the settings is not a good solution for me cause this is what I like about the routine...the always stealth and run speed that stealth provides..

Also very often, when I target a mob, I get a huge fps drop for some seconds... is not an addon problem, I made extensive tests about it...
 

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Ksexasiaris said:
TuanHa do something about looting...every time I want to gather a herb or use an object in the world that needs to loot something I have to pause the bot or I cannot loot... I am using the Glyph of Stealth that reduces the cd on Stealth to a almost a global cooldown. The bot immediately cast stealth after the cast bar(loot) finishes and does not loot the item/ore/herb. Removing the glyph or remove stealth from the settings is not a good solution for me cause this is what I like about the routine...the always stealth and run speed that stealth provides..

Also very often, when I target a mob, I get a huge fps drop for some seconds... is not an addon problem, I made extensive tests about it...
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dude just turn off stealth outside of combat..
 
Ksexasiaris said:
TuanHa do something about looting...every time I want to gather a herb or use an object in the world that needs to loot something I have to pause the bot or I cannot loot... I am using the Glyph of Stealth that reduces the cd on Stealth to a almost a global cooldown. The bot immediately cast stealth after the cast bar(loot) finishes and does not loot the item/ore/herb. Removing the glyph or remove stealth from the settings is not a good solution for me cause this is what I like about the routine...the always stealth and run speed that stealth provides..

Also very often, when I target a mob, I get a huge fps drop for some seconds... is not an addon problem, I made extensive tests about it...
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Previous iterations of the CR didn't have this issue, it would always wait for the action to finish before re-stealthing. The soultion mentioned by solohan below is the best option until this gets tweaked.

solohan said:
dude just turn off stealth outside of combat..
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Anyone know of a routine that works in the Coliseum? For those who aren't aware it puts everyone in a group for the free for all, Tuanha won't attack group members even when they're killable.
 
mcwhat said:
Anyone know of a routine that works in the Coliseum? For those who aren't aware it puts everyone in a group for the free for all, Tuanha won't attack group members even when they're killable.
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Singular or Vitalic may do it.
 
i bought all CR tuanha ; but im not happy how performing my rogue in pvp; sub and combat are totaly useless and ass. is good only to get cap.
i appreciate the work infact i bought all u routine thuan; but pls make competitive and strong rogue cr soon thank u.
 
ziopaolo said:
i bought all CR tuanha ; but im not happy how performing my rogue in pvp; sub and combat are totaly useless and ass. is good only to get cap.
i appreciate the work infact i bought all u routine thuan; but pls make competitive and strong rogue cr soon thank u.
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The rogue CR is the least used one (unless that has changed recently) so his other routines get priority. He'll get there eventually but we just have to wait in the meantime.
 
sgrundy said:
The rogue CR is the least used one (unless that has changed recently) so his other routines get priority. He'll get there eventually but we just have to wait in the meantime.
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In the meantime, we don't have any CR to use, because only two developers made CR for Rogues, and both of then are in a bad shape at this moment :/
 
fabi229 said:
In the meantime, we don't have any CR to use, because only two developers made CR for Rogues, and both of then are in a bad shape at this moment :/
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I know how you feel, my main is a rogue and I'd like nothing more to see the CR updated right now but we just have to wait. For a little perspective, WoD has only been out a little over a month and the MoP CR's were still being updated days before WoD came out. So if CR's were still being updated over a year after the last xpac released you can see that things are just getting started.
 
I don't care waiting for the CR to be update. But what make me sad, is that it seems like there's not much attention being put in the rogue cr :T
 
Hi guys,

I've just made a few tweak for Sub rogue, I hope we get better dps with it. Main change is how to pool energy before Shadow Dance and Vanish. Also Sub rogue need Garrote his target in PvE rotation too.
 
tuanha said:
Hi guys,

I've just made a few tweak for Sub rogue, I hope we get better dps with it. Main change is how to pool energy before Shadow Dance and Vanish. Also Sub rogue need Garrote his target in PvE rotation too.
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Thank you for the update Tuanha! I will test it now.
 
Hi all,

I've fix a few issue with rogue, test and it work really good, please svn update.

Version 6.0.5468
More DPS for Assassination and Subtlety, DPS rotation is now near flawless.
 
tuanha said:
Hi all,

I've fix a few issue with rogue, test and it work really good, please svn update.

Version 6.0.5468
More DPS for Assassination and Subtlety, DPS rotation is now near flawless.
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Thank you for the update Tuanha. I have just tested both Assassination and Subtlety specs on 5 minute dps rotation on raid training dummies. Assassination is pulling 200 more then my sim dps for my current spec so I am quite happy with Assassination you have done a great job with it. However Subtlety is a full 1.7k dps under the sim dps charts for this spec with my current equipment. I notice that in both specs with "vanish on cooldown" it is not using vanish on cooldown (or at all) this is a great dps loss due to shadow focus. I am not sure what else is wrong with the rotation though you may need a more experienced sub rogue to figure this out. My sim dps for sub should be 700dps more then my assassination spec btw so it is still severely flawed. Thank you so much for your great Assassination routine if you can get the same quality out of Sub I don't see why this routine wouldn't be the one stop shop for all rogue's.
 
w8ing4ban said:
Thank you for the update Tuanha. I have just tested both Assassination and Subtlety specs on 5 minute dps rotation on raid training dummies. Assassination is pulling 200 more then my sim dps for my current spec so I am quite happy with Assassination you have done a great job with it. However Subtlety is a full 1.7k dps under the sim dps charts for this spec with my current equipment. I notice that in both specs with "vanish on cooldown" it is not using vanish on cooldown (or at all) this is a great dps loss due to shadow focus. I am not sure what else is wrong with the rotation though you may need a more experienced sub rogue to figure this out. My sim dps for sub should be 700dps more then my assassination spec btw so it is still severely flawed. Thank you so much for your great Assassination routine if you can get the same quality out of Sub I don't see why this routine wouldn't be the one stop shop for all rogue's.
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Thank w8ing4ban,

I'll look more at Sub but base on my testing in dungeon, I get more dps with sub than assa.

The reason on dummy sub doing less dps is this spec need Vanish to get more dps with Garrote/Ambush

BUT outside instance (bg/arena/dungeon/raid), I've disabled Vanish so the dps it a bit low

The reason I disable Vanish outside dungeon is it make a lot trouble on in world questing/grinding. You hit mob to 10% + Vanish to do something, mob HP get back to 100% INSTANTLY lol

Until Blizzard fix that mechanic, I can't make Vanish work outside instance and that lower dps on dummy (all 3 spec) too xD

TLDR: in instance you get more dps with CRs on all spec because Vanish enabled :P
 
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Ah, lol nvm.

I've made a work around Vanish on dummy fight and Sub doing the same (abit more) dps on dummy vs Assa on new rev.

Thank w8ing4ban :P

Edit: Hmm I don't know what really happen, Import simcraft, disable option for food/flash/potion (because I don't use it) and run simulate...

Simcraft say I can do 13-14k dps on Dummy
I actually do 15-16k dps (maybe I pick the wrong dummy? I'm testing on the level 85 one in Stormwind)
 
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