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TuanHA Rogue - The Ultimate Experience

Markeen said:
Rupture uptime was fixed as far as i can see.

Assa DPS: Warcraft Logs actually says i have 11k dps, recount sucks.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g0dp2787mk9yxfp/Screenshot 2014-12-23 04.51.22.jpg?dl=0

Sub DPS: Around 12k for Sub on Warcraft Logs.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dt6n95ypkvpm0go/Screenshot 2014-12-23 04.33.39.jpg?dl=0

I tried SimC and Sub DPS with my current getup is right around that mark.

You should try logging your fights with Warcraft Logs for more accuracy.
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Please make sure you've enable "current fight" in recount. Could you upload a better screenshot it's hard to read your ilvl :<
 
w8ing4ban said:
I'm not attaching a log. The person above me has confirmed it with warcraftlogs.
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agreed. I've let my toon hit the dummy in at Ashran for 10min and it seems like that every third rapture is delayed :<
 
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KiLLu12258 said:
Can you check my log. Its on raid dummy.

I should be able to make 20k dps+ i have both 660 weapons from conquest points... 643 iLvl but i make only 14k dps!!! (tested with assasination)

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PLEASE NOTE, and this is to ALL fellow rogues, those that CAN play and those that CANT, i have played rogue for almost 9 years and have worked closely with Tuanha to make this combat routine the best you can get, on all 3 specs i can do about 500-1000 dps MORE then the bot, but when i look at the sims from simulationcraft or shadowcraft im doing 6k less then simmed... seems wierd right? NO! before simming and saying "the bot is doing X less then i should be" make sure your simming right, default sim settings are set for a raid situation, all buffs, flask food potion pre test and 1 minute into the fight, spend the time to instead of flaming on the forums and such that your simulationcraft is set up CORRECLTY! with the most up to date version, and be happy.

and as a side note im seeing an increase of dps between the paid and free versions, this may be unintentional but if you raid mythic like i do, you want the most out of your class.
 
Sinndar88 said:
PLEASE NOTE, and this is to ALL fellow rogues, those that CAN play and those that CANT, i have played rogue for almost 9 years and have worked closely with Tuanha to make this combat routine the best you can get, on all 3 specs i can do about 500-1000 dps MORE then the bot, but when i look at the sims from simulationcraft or shadowcraft im doing 6k less then simmed... seems wierd right? NO! before simming and saying "the bot is doing X less then i should be" make sure your simming right, default sim settings are set for a raid situation, all buffs, flask food potion pre test and 1 minute into the fight, spend the time to instead of flaming on the forums and such that your simulationcraft is set up CORRECLTY! with the most up to date version, and be happy.

and as a side note im seeing an increase of dps between the paid and free versions, this may be unintentional but if you raid mythic like i do, you want the most out of your class.
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for sure.. But you won't say i can only do 14k dps with 644 iLvL, right?
If this is the case.. something is really wrong with rogue atm.

and someone above me said they make 16k with lower gear.. So anything is wrong...
i don't flame.. the only thing is i want to find my error.
 
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sub is broken atm and that is a fact i have a 657 rogue doing 16k fully buffed flask food and prepot at any given boss dummy fix it i have the paid version.
 
assasination 21k dps at the dummy sub 16k at the dummy with 670 and 655 weapons in both specs assasination spec in fact is at 651 ilevel and no 657 .
vanish offensive set ald all defensive shit are off .....something is wrong after the 650 version where i was making 23k with sub fully buffed and prepot and even that is low
 
dbrouss said:
assasination 21k dps at the dummy sub 16k at the dummy with 670 and 655 weapons in both specs assasination spec in fact is at 651 ilevel and no 657 .
vanish offensive set ald all defensive shit are off .....something is wrong after the 650 version where i was making 23k with sub fully buffed and prepot and even that is low
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go to icy veins or noxxic, pull the optimum rotation off of either of them ( i think icy represents it better) and see if you can beat the routine , if you can then MAYBE theres an issue, if you cant, i say its working as intended
 
Sinndar88 said:
go to icy veins or noxxic, pull the optimum rotation off of either of them ( i think icy represents it better) and see if you can beat the routine , if you can then MAYBE theres an issue, if you cant, i say its working as intended
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If you had even read the last 6-8 pages Tuanha is aware of the issue I have been testing each revision for him for the past week. Im sure he's just busy with Christmas stuff atm. To everyone saying that the routine got worse after rev 50 I don't see how I'm now almost pulling unbuffed sim dps with sub. The Sub rotation is now almost perfect. The rupture uptime needs to be tweaked further and crit weak also needs some work. Everyone else that is saying they are doing FAR LESS then there sim dps using the routine you ARE doing something wrong.
 
w8ing4ban said:
If you had even read the last 6-8 pages Tuanha is aware of the issue I have been testing each revision for him for the past week. Im sure he's just busy with Christmas stuff atm. To everyone saying that the routine got worse after rev 50 I don't see how I'm now almost pulling unbuffed sim dps with sub. The Sub rotation is now almost perfect. The rupture uptime needs to be tweaked further and crit weak also needs some work. Everyone else that is saying they are doing FAR LESS then there sim dps using the routine you ARE doing something wrong.
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Hey man! Could you please share some settings to get most of the CR? thanks in advance!
 
just tested rev 52 again and dps is 1.3k-1.6k under unbuffed sim calculations. We all just need to be patient and wait for Tuanha to get back with an update on the rupture timers and crit weakness up times. Then we can see what needs to be fixed from there. I would advise that everyone use assassination until Tuanha has the time to come out with some new revisions for Sub as Assassination is running flawlessly atm.
 
fabi229 said:
Hey man! Could you please share some settings to get most of the CR? thanks in advance!
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Press raid button. Change burst to cooldown. Change vanish to cooldown, remove any form of auto move, auto face, auto behind, auto target. Remove start aoe rotation unless aoe is needed for your fight. Remove fan of knives, remove crimson tempest, unless both are needed for your fight. These are the settings I use for DUMMYS to test my dps. In an actually raid environment I change them for what I need in the situation.
AND MOST IMPORTANT BUY THE PREMIUM VERSION IT IS BETTER
 
This is a nice post Tuanha about the shadow dance and shadow reflection phase that I was talking about:
A few seconds before you Dance (so when you have under ~10 seconds remaining on the cooldown), you should check a few things:



1) Energy. Entering Dance with low energy is almost useless, so you should try and pool energy and enter Dance with as much of it as you can. This is where Glyph of Energy really comes into play, as having an extra bit of cap space is very nice.



2) Shadow Reflection's cooldown. Assuming that you're running with SR as your level 100 talent, you should check to see if you will have them both up for this Dance (every second Dance gets a SR)



3) DoT timers. Rupture and Hemo will need to be refreshed before or during your Dance, so that you don't waste Evis casts. Exceptions to this one are listed below:
•If SR will come off cooldown with this Dance, do not refresh Rupture until after you cast SR. This way you'll get a second Rupture from your clone. which is great. Recast Hemo to keep the 20% damage boost from SV up if it will fall off
•If the boss is close to dying (next 10-15s)



4) Combo Points & Premeditation Cooldown. Because you should have a separate button for Prep (for pre-fight) as well as macroing it to your openers for easy use during combat, you should keep an eye on how many cp you have compared to how many you will generate off the bat. For example, if you will start Dance with 4 cp already, you'll get 2 from Ambush + 1 from HaT + 2 from Premed totalling 5 and bringing you to 9. This is pretty good cause you'll get 2 finishers off relatively quickly, but could also be bad if you end up energy capping in that time due to the refunds. Using Dance at more than 4 cp without Premed isn't as big a deal, it's just something you need to take into account and be aware of when preparing to Dance



Note that all of the above tips apply to Vanish / Subtetrfuge as well. The more Casts that you can get in, particularly of Eviscerate and not Rupture, during your Find Weakness uptime the better
 
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