[Official] Statement about Arenas and Battlegrounds

[ryftobuddy]

Complaining about it won't solve anything. I understand that, and it's the reason that I will be moving on to a different bot when the great PvP developers head to those platforms (HINT: The main ones, minus a couple, already are). It's just frustrating that Bossland would act as though it was arenas that was the sole problem and not afk BGs. I've seen legit players get reported as bots simply because they are great. People are going to complain if they get outperformed, regardless of how legitimate it is.

Bossland has never said that Arena's are the sole problem. The first post CLEARLY says they are considering removing BG's, too. They obviously know that any pvp bot is bringing unwanted attention. They chose to go the route that would affect less users, but still hopefully help with avoiding banwaves in the future.

And CR's are only as good as a bot's pathing allows them to be. As far as I know, there isn't a single bot out there with completely randomized pvp pathing, which means no matter how good a CR or the CR dev is, you're still going to get bot trains in BG's. Completely randomized paths don't work in pvp anyways. It's the logic that matters, and if a BG is still full of bots, it's going to look awfully suspicious when a team running a randomized path all turn at once and converge on a single point because that's what the bot logic tells them to do.

 

[Rettob]

The fact that you think disabling arenas is going to prevent Blizzard from continuing their crusade against HB is laughable. Blizzard was going to be going after HB regardless of whether arenas were shut down.

It's astonishing to me that people see arenas as the problem when you have bot trains going from spot to spot in the piss poor design of BG Buddy. BG Buddy is an absolute joke and it has been a joke for YEARS. The usual excuse is that the randomized pathing we wanted wasn't available. Odd, considering the fact that Millz was able to at least accomplish a more randomized approach using BGFarmer.

Complaining about it won't solve anything. I understand that, and it's the reason that I will be moving on to a different bot when the great PvP developers head to those platforms (HINT: The main ones, minus a couple, already are). It's just frustrating that Bossland would act as though it was arenas that was the sole problem and not afk BGs. I've seen legit players get reported as bots simply because they are great. People are going to complain if they get outperformed, regardless of how legitimate it is.

Amen!

 

[exdeus67]

good opportuny for other plateforms...

 

[tijj]

Using Arena as a scapegoat is a total betrayal of the loyal PvP users on here. Pretty much what Blizzard do with their class changes every update.

 

[exdeus67]

The fact that you think disabling arenas is going to prevent Blizzard from continuing their crusade against HB is laughable. Blizzard was going to be going after HB regardless of whether arenas were shut down.

It's astonishing to me that people see arenas as the problem when you have bot trains going from spot to spot in the piss poor design of BG Buddy. BG Buddy is an absolute joke and it has been a joke for YEARS. The usual excuse is that the randomized pathing we wanted wasn't available. Odd, considering the fact that Millz was able to at least accomplish a more randomized approach using BGFarmer.

Complaining about it won't solve anything. I understand that, and it's the reason that I will be moving on to a different bot when the great PvP developers head to those platforms (HINT: The main ones, minus a couple, already are). It's just frustrating that Bossland would act as though it was arenas that was the sole problem and not afk BGs. I've seen legit players get reported as bots simply because they are great. People are going to complain if they get outperformed, regardless of how legitimate it is.

this !

 

[Giwin]

Removing Arenas was also suggested by me after the banwave (before it was implemented, so blame me if you want ^^), the whole point is that we are reducing our threat, we are still a threat but not as much as before. Arena was off-limits but we eventually encroached this area and paid the price, the owners of the bot know that Arena is Blizzard's main focus area and can't/shouldn't be touched.

Blizzard proved that if they really wanted to they could wipe us out, some people thought Honorbuddy was untouchable and those are the people that complain the most when they get banned on accounts they care about.

 

[FunnymAN]

Removing Arenas was also suggested by me after the banwave (before it was implemented, so blame me if you want ^^), the whole point is that we are reducing our threat, we are still a threat but not as much as before. Arena was off-limits but we eventually encroached this area and paid the price, the owners of the bot know that Arena is Blizzard's main focus area and can't/shouldn't be touched.

Blizzard proved that if they really wanted to they could wipe us out, some people thought Honorbuddy was untouchable and those are the people that complain the most when they get banned on accounts they care about.

Botting will always be a risk and to think if they removed botting from BGs will reduce that risk is naive. BG botting was around before arena's existed

 

[Thecamel]

Botting will always be a risk and to think if they removed botting from BGs will reduce that risk is naive. BG botting was around before arena's existed

Once again.. they never said it would reduce the risk...

They said it would reduce the footprint HB leaves in the Wow community..

and to think that arena and RBG's botting doesn't leave a footprint is naïve .. and removing it will reduce the footprint.

 

[GOD]

Bossland has never said that Arena's are the sole problem. The first post CLEARLY says they are considering removing BG's, too. They obviously know that any pvp bot is bringing unwanted attention. They chose to go the route that would affect less users, but still hopefully help with avoiding banwaves in the future.

And CR's are only as good as a bot's pathing allows them to be. As far as I know, there isn't a single bot out there with completely randomized pvp pathing, which means no matter how good a CR or the CR dev is, you're still going to get bot trains in BG's. Completely randomized paths don't work in pvp anyways. It's the logic that matters, and if a BG is still full of bots, it's going to look awfully suspicious when a team running a randomized path all turn at once and converge on a single point because that's what the bot logic tells them to do.

Once again using the same tired excuse that Bossland has been using for years regarding their ineptitude at creating a BG bot that doesn't suck. Really? It's impossible to do? Millz did a pretty damn good job with BGFarmer.

 

[nervs39]

I honestly dont see why u would remove the automation that ALOT of people use... Why alot of people come to this website... Yet u can get a hearthstone bot and go afk for a week and come back and be in the top leagues of that...

You tell us that u dont want to leave footprints but i hate to say it, ur too late... Although i can understand the full automation but surely in BG's u can change things so the user has to being making the movements themselfs and just have it help with attack rotations(Always cotrolled the placement and what not myself otherwise would just be boring)... I have not used the bot for a long time as i have not played but i use to have a blast doing BG's with strong attack rotations... People also saying that its ok to use it in raids... How is that any different to using it for pvp? You have the advantage of doing near perfect attack rotations and yet u dont see it disadvataging people who dont and have to learn the rotations off the top of their heads? There is no difference...

I am all for bossland to not help people who want to use it for such things as arena and thats fine but making it un-useable full stop is dumb... Why not just set the bot that u cant use it for anything? You get an advantage over everyone no matter what part of the bot your runnings weither its farm shit, level, raid, pvp... You still get that advantage over everyone cause u can be afk while it does all those things for you. Why 99% of people on this website came here.

 

[Nephastus]

Straight cop out, which is sad.

The real issue isn't battleground botting? Or gold farming? lol Common now. Disable it in arenas, but leave it enabled in raids? Cause that makes sense right? People aren't at an advantage in a raid environment with certain CRs?

Great move Bossland. First this, and then Stormbuddy. Yall are on a roll.

 

[WolfpackPB]

People also saying that its ok to use it in raids... How is that any different to using it for pvp?

You are kidding right? I'm sure when a guild downs Blackhand for the first time that the NPC will be pissed off and report the raider for using a CR against him. Makes sense right? Using it for PvE is just as much cheating as anything else, however, the amount of attention it brings from other players is multitudes lower. Most guilds know and accept that some or all of their raiders are botting, they don't care since those numbers make raiding easier. Now you can bring in LFR as a factor, but honestly 99% of those players don't know and/or don't care since you aren't in direct competition with them (like PvP), just along for the scenic loot pinatas.

 

[Nephastus]

You are kidding right? I'm sure when a guild downs Blackhand for the first time that the NPC will be pissed off and report the raider for using a CR against him. Makes sense right? Using it for PvE is just as much cheating as anything else, however, the amount of attention it brings from other players is multitudes lower. Most guilds know and accept that some or all of their raiders are botting, they don't care since those numbers make raiding easier. Now you can bring in LFR as a factor, but honestly 99% of those players don't know and/or don't care since you aren't in direct competition with them (like PvP), just along for the scenic loot pinatas.

Have you ever been in a cutting edge raiding guild? Doesn't sound like it.

Because if a guild downs Blackhand for the first time before another guild, and it was found out that said guild had multiple people using a CR that lead to near perfect rotation as well as raid awareness then yes - You would have some angry individuals. That's like saying people weren't in an uproar when it was found out account sharing went on to land the first M Blackhand kill. Tell those other guilds that they "weren't in direct competition with them".

Completely ignorant to try and act as if using this in a raid isn't the same as arena. You still have a competitive advantage.

 

[WolfpackPB]

Have you ever been in a cutting edge raiding guild?

Not since BC when I had more time than sense.

Because if a guild downs Blackhand for the first time before another guild, and it was found out that said guild had multiple people using a CR that lead to near perfect rotation as well as raid awareness then yes - You would have some angry individuals. That's like saying people weren't in an uproar when it was found out account sharing went on to land the first M Blackhand kill. Tell those other guilds that they "weren't in direct competition with them".

Completely ignorant to try and act as if using this in a raid isn't the same as arena. You still have a competitive advantage.

True, but honestly I wasn't even considering top 5 mythic guilds which make up .000001% of the player population (probably should have specified), it would be stupid to base any conclusions based on such a minuscule data set. What I was talking about is the Normal / Heroic raiding which make up a much larger portion of the player base. If you are really comparing the average 2k arena team to top 10 Mythic World 1st guilds that is an extremely bad comparison.

I said that using it in PvE is cheating JUST like PvP, it definitely gives an advantage over those who play by hand. The difference is damage to the community; players will get mad about a bot interrupting instantly and using an inhuman rotation, the NPCs will not share the same feeling.

 

[gienek123]

I really do not know what you're here talking. can not be compared bg to arenas for this reason that on bg ppl press start a bot for all night and going to sleep to get basic armor, the arena, then you must play by yourself !!!, locks should be able to use the bot on bg because of this reason, we can not today use the bot in the arena by those idiots like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHeSHT2ZDnU.
In addition, people writing Combat rutin are slightly by saying idiots who do not know what they write because if I was still playing bg feral druid from combat rutin Tuanha, go out with a roots of 10 times in a row changing the form in the same millisecond is a moron would have realized that it bot, because what is the chance that the player succeed? it was hard to have a logic for the next 5 Restraints release followed a random example. after 2 sec next after 4 next after 1?. The same should apply to the use of interrupts, why bot interrupts the spell in imperceptible part of his stretching, what is the chance that the player spoof break the spell that lasts for one sec. I have no words, the ability to use autowalk should be disabled, it is hard to really use your brain? if you have a druid play a game on the bg on auto walking after it's really the height of folly to let this option anyone.

 

[ryftobuddy]

Once again using the same tired excuse that Bossland has been using for years regarding their ineptitude at creating a BG bot that doesn't suck. Really? It's impossible to do? Millz did a pretty damn good job with BGFarmer.

Sorry you don't like Bossland's reasons. You should tell Millz to go build his own bot. At least that could maybe please you.

Since you're so unhappy, maybe you could build your own bot if Millz won't help you out. I'm sure you'll never have an unhappy customer ever.

Or an even better idea...

Just stop playing video games all together, leave these forums and never think about them again. Being so stressed over losing your precious arena ability really isn't healthy.

 

[ryftobuddy]

And for the continued spewing of non-sense that raids should be removed, too...

Honestly, what good would that do? How does removing more aspects of the bot help anyone? Is removing the ability to use CR's in raid really going to satisfy you?

Stop acting like children. You aren't going to get your candy back no matter how hard you whine.

 

[mrbgray]

fact is bossland sold out.... period.

 

[V1R4G3]

fact is bossland sold out.... period.

To whom? Do you even know what selling out is?

 

[shadowrukia]

I got banned from botting in a raid with my guild. Not in Battlegrounds or anything. lol