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[Official] Statement about Arenas and Battlegrounds

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Xarian said:
The fanboyism in posts like this is just absolutely astonishing.

Think for a bit, seriously, just think...

For 4 years, there has been no fix for arena. The introduced fix for arena is LITERALLY 5 minutes of work, but for 4 years they have not paid attention to it

For those 4 years, we've had many plugins, CCs and other crap for arena, they still didnt care to spend 5 minutes stopping people from using HB in arenas.

Then we got buddystore, guess what, arena CCs making tonnes of money, everythings great, lets still not "fix" what was "never supported".

4 years later, many $$$$ gathered by bossland from gladiator suite etc on buddystore, we get a banwave. FINALLY, FINALLY in the chaos of not knowing wtf happened to detect HB, we better spend 5 minutes disabling arena cuz we gotta do something. You are all eating the obvious excuses and lies portrayed by Bossland gmbh, even tho it is so stupidly obvious that they didnt care, because it was a benefit for them, until it no longer was.
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This is so true...
 
Xarian said:
The fanboyism in posts like this is just absolutely astonishing.

Think for a bit, seriously, just think...

For 4 years, there has been no fix for arena. The introduced fix for arena is LITERALLY 5 minutes of work, but for 4 years they have not paid attention to it

For those 4 years, we've had many plugins, CCs and other crap for arena, they still didnt care to spend 5 minutes stopping people from using HB in arenas.

Then we got buddystore, guess what, arena CCs making tonnes of money, everythings great, lets still not "fix" what was "never supported".

4 years later, many $$$$ gathered by bossland from gladiator suite etc on buddystore, we get a banwave. FINALLY, FINALLY in the chaos of not knowing wtf happened to detect HB, we better spend 5 minutes disabling arena cuz we gotta do something. You are all eating the obvious excuses and lies portrayed by Bossland gmbh, even tho it is so stupidly obvious that they didnt care, because it was a benefit for them, until it no longer was.
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Agreed.

On top of that. "Pieces of code that are either remnants of functionality or possible future features that may or may not be implemented." Is complete joke.

When you code something you outline what you want it to do and you create function for that purpose. There is no in between. It shows there was intent for arena and it wasn't removed in 4 years.


Singular supported Arena. All you had to do was close HB and open when you joined the Arena so it wouldn't have issues targeting your same faction.

Instead of fixing the targeting logic and adding interrupt settings the PVE author just stuck to PVE. No interrupt support, shity movement etc.


That's where more authors we brought in to make money.


So on every level you are wrong.

Me and Xarian agree to your fanboyism.
 
V1R4G3 said:
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You're wrong. Program code always has pieces of code that are either remnants of functionality that was scrapped before release or possible future features that may or may not be implemented.

Combat Routines simply took advantage of that, and Bossland didn't put his foot down. Singular (the official, support CR) NEVER supported Arena. So please direct me to where Honorbuddy has ever officially supported it?

You are grasping at straws because something you want was taken away. The reality is, you should have never had it in the first place. A mature adult would be happy for the time he had it, take some time to mourn its passing, and move on. But therein lies the problem...

And on another note. There you guys go again bitching about BGBuddy. Do you really, for one second, think that gaming community takes nearly as much offense to botting in non-rated random battlegrounds or rated, competitive Arena? You don't, because no sane person would, but you'll say you do to support your point.

Reduction: The Arena support glitch has been fixed. The people who took advantage of it are mad. They feel entitled (because everyone does, these days) and they will do whatever they can to hurt as many other people as possible, because they are the 'victim'. e.g. demand refunds, verbally abuse developers, troll forums, campaign to have BGBuddy (a feature present since launch) removed.

We've all had enough.
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You TL;DR his post, yet you post a wall of text of your own. If you want others to read your wall of text, read the others too :p
 
v1r4g3 said:
tldr

you're wrong. Program code always has pieces of code that are either remnants of functionality that was scrapped before release or possible future features that may or may not be implemented.

Combat routines simply took advantage of that, and bossland didn't put his foot down. Singular (the official, support cr) never supported arena. So please direct me to where honorbuddy has ever officially supported it?

You are grasping at straws because something you want was taken away. The reality is, you should have never had it in the first place. A mature adult would be happy for the time he had it, take some time to mourn its passing, and move on. But therein lies the problem...

And on another note. There you guys go again bitching about bgbuddy. Do you really, for one second, think that gaming community takes nearly as much offense to botting in non-rated random battlegrounds or rated, competitive arena? You don't, because no sane person would, but you'll say you do to support your point.

Reduction: The arena support glitch has been fixed. The people who took advantage of it are mad. They feel entitled (because everyone does, these days) and they will do whatever they can to hurt as many other people as possible, because they are the 'victim'. E.g. Demand refunds, verbally abuse developers, troll forums, campaign to have bgbuddy (a feature present since launch) removed.

We've all had enough.
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tldr
 
Way to be about 35 minutes too late, Poptarts. 36 minutes sooner, and you would've been clever. Alas.
 
While I'm not really bothered by honorbuddy automation being disabled for arenas (though it would be nice to see skirmishes allowed, since they're arguably non-competitive and are a decent way to grind honor) I do find the intellectual dishonesty in this thread to be extremely disturbing. People convincing themselves that they're "not really cheating" if it's for PvE, or claims that the site never advocated arena botting when it clearly harboured combat routines explicitly tailored for that purpose. It's just silly.
 
I thought the combat routines were explicitly tailored for PVP? PVP is still supported.
 
V1R4G3 said:
I thought the combat routines were explicitly tailored for PVP? PVP is still supported.
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Yeah, that's why they were called "Gladiator Suite" and advertised ranking potential in arenas. Like I said, the intellectual dishonesty is ridiculous. I understand that it's important for some to always "win" arguments on the internet, but explicitly attempting to misrepresent the situation does not make you look good. It just informs anyone paying attention that you're either dishonest or incredibly obtuse.
 
Thecamel said:
Its a very good point ?
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Are you asking me if it's a good point? Because if so, it's not. If you knowingly harbour content, then you are advocating its use. It's really that simple. Support and advocacy are not exclusive to development. I could maybe see the merit in this argument if the Honorbuddy team was somehow unaware of the Gladiator Suite CRs on their store, but given the developer vetting and 40% sales cut that would be effectively impossible. I'm not contesting the right of Bossland and the Honorbuddy developers to alter their program and website as they see fit, but to claim that they never supported it to begin with is demonstrably false.

To loosely reference Goshinki's analogy from earlier, this is paramount to arguing that drug dealers are not supporting or facilitating drug use, on the grounds that they are not manufacturing the drugs themselves.

[SUB][SUB]Disclaimer: The above analogy should not be regarded as a comparison of ethicacy. Botting and drug dealing are greatly divorced in that context.[/SUB][/SUB]
 
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i only used honorbuddy for BG botting and arenas, and i only bought the CRs for it.

i hope some other bot is being released then..
 
So, your strongest argument is that because Honorbuddy allowed a PVP CR to be sold on their store whom advertises as part of their offering Arena support and did not remove said CR from the store or take the liberty of editing or censoring the CR developer's offering that they support it? Even despite refusing to support the functionality, at every single reported onset of technical issue?

Allow != support. Nothing is stopping GS from developing their own bot.
 
V1R4G3 said:
Translation "When someone makes a point I can't possibly refute, it hurts so bad."
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What is there to refute? You didn't "make a point", you asked a question that you should be able to answer on your own. He's pointing out that you apparently don't know how to use 'Search' on a website in 2015.

Good luck!

XtO
 
eXtOphius said:
What is there to refute? You didn't "make a point", you asked a question that you should be able to answer on your own. He's pointing out that you apparently don't know how to use 'Search' on a website in 2015.

Good luck!

XtO
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I wasn't able to read between the lines. I concede to that. I wasn't really sure what he meant to say, but I got from context that it wasn't particularly positive toward me.

My post wasn't me genuinely asking which Honorbuddy developer develops Gladiator Suite. It was facetiously stating that Honorbuddy doesn't develop Gladiator Suite. It was actually very clever, and the point I was making was made with the right people. It was simply over tomcruise's head, apparently. And his statement didn't make any sense to me whatsoever. So... I guess we both have egg on our face. lol

And since the only thing constructive he could come up with was 'Search Tool, nub'...

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That's all I got for ya, so grab your torches and head back to camp.
 
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V1R4G3 said:
It was facetiously stating that Honorbuddy doesn't develop Gladiator Suite.
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Oh. Oh, man. Really? I totally had no idea. This changes everything.

Sorry, but it wasn't clever. This is why I asked if you habitually post meaningless rhetoric. Evidently, you do. You're still ignoring the fact that they knowingly distributed it and even profited directly from it. To reiterate, this is paramount to arguing that a drug dealer doesn't support drug use, because he didn't manufacture the drugs. It's nonsense, plain and simple. Whether you want to accept it or not, the Honorbuddy team advocated the use of the software they distributed and profited from. Knowingly harbouring content means that one advocates its use. The only one with egg on his (or her) face is the one who wants to deny this basic reality because it harms his completely polarized stance. Which is odd, because I actually support developer control over their own software and by all rights we should be in agreement.

Ultimately, the best way to respond to meaningless flippancy is to treat it as genuine, and expose it for the absurdity it is. Pity that I overlooked that opportunity.
 
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AnoneeMouse said:
Oh. Oh, man. Really? I totally had no idea. This changes everything.

Sorry, but it wasn't clever. This is why I asked if you habitually post meaningless rhetoric. Evidently, you do. You're still ignoring the fact that they knowingly distributed it and even profited directly from it. To reiterate, this is paramount to arguing that a drug dealer doesn't support drug use, because he didn't manufacture the drugs. It's nonsense, plain and simple. Whether you want to accept it or not, the Honorbuddy team advocated the use of the software they distributed and profited from. Knowingly harbouring content means that one advocates its use. The only one with egg on his (or her) face is the one who wants to deny this basic reality because it harms his completely polarized stance. Which is odd, because I actually support developer control over their own software and by all rights we should be in agreement.

Ultimately, the best way to respond to meaningless flippancy is to treat it as genuine, and expose it for the absurdity it is. Pity that I overlooked that opportunity.
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TLDR

PS. You seem angry. Are you? I pride myself on reading people.
 
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