Stand Up To Blizzard!

[Labze]

Labze

No that's not a comprehension problem .. That's an ego problem of thinking you actually know something about people in general. I bet that on a daily basis you can be caught making bad decisions and choices and not knowing many things in and of this world even as an adult. The day you learn that! Is the day you too may become an adult.

I really can't see if you're trolling or not. Saying that I have a ego problem because I assume that people use common sense is just laughable.

 

[Catmeat]

You break their EULA, your account goes bye bye. Blizzard doesn't owe you anything. You entered into an agreement when you purchased the game. If you break that agreement, they're allowed to ban your account. It's that simple. Having said that, Blizzard is extremely aggressive and unforgiving. 99% of the time they don't issue a warning, they simply ban you without reason. That's about the only thing I disagree with. Of course, dealing with thousands upon thousands of people trying to circumvent the game through cheating, it would probably take far too much manpower to be more lenient by taking on each and every case individually.

It sucks, but this is the risk you take by using HB or any other botting software. It's unfortuante that the HB team seems to be getting less and less control over detection, but with Blizzard's gigantic pockets, it was inevitable. Unless you actually have someone as a double agent who's able to see what Blizzard is doing and able to implement countermeasures into their HB code, it's just going to get worse and worse.

 

[phazeshifta123]

You break their EULA, your account goes bye bye. Blizzard doesn't owe you anything. You entered into an agreement when you purchased the game. If you break that agreement, they're allowed to ban your account. It's that simple. Having said that, Blizzard is extremely aggressive and unforgiving. 99% of the time they don't issue a warning, they simply ban you without reason. That's about the only thing I disagree with. Of course, dealing with thousands upon thousands of people trying to circumvent the game through cheating, it would probably take far too much manpower to be more lenient by taking on each and every case individually.

It sucks, but this is the risk you take by using HB or any other botting software. It's unfortuante that the HB team seems to be getting less and less control over detection, but with Blizzard's gigantic pockets, it was inevitable. Unless you actually have someone as a double agent who's able to see what Blizzard is doing and able to implement countermeasures into their HB code, it's just going to get worse and worse.

I'm still confused what part of this makes them a-holes...And they are issuing you a warning in the form of a 6-month suspension now, which is far better than a perma-ban. And you gave them plenty of reason when you started botting, which 99.9% of all botters know is against the rules. Saying that they are banning everyone without reason is plain silly.

Even if they issue a warning, say a 3-day suspension, they know at this point that almost every botter is going to come back and start botting again. So would that make them a-holes if they perma-ban you after you get caught again? Or does it make you the a-hole for them having to babysit you?

You also failed to mention how Bossland is the good guy in this situation. I'm sure that the only person that thinks Bossland isn't an a-hole at this point is Bossland himself. Hell, even he probably knows he's an a-hole.

 

[Catmeat]

I'm still confused what part of this makes them a-holes...And they are issuing you a warning in the form of a 6-month suspension now, which is far better than a perma-ban. And you gave them plenty of reason when you started botting, which 99.9% of all botters know is against the rules. Saying that they are banning everyone without reason is plain silly.

Even if they issue a warning, say a 3-day suspension, they know at this point that almost every botter is going to come back and start botting again. So would that make them a-holes if they perma-ban you after you get caught again? Or does it make you the a-hole for them having to babysit you?

You also failed to mention how Bossland is the good guy in this situation. I'm sure that the only person that thinks Bossland isn't an a-hole at this point is Bossland himself. Hell, even he probably knows he's an a-hole.

I didn't say they were the good guys. I just said I support this community. Why does my opinion of Blizzard matter so much to you?

 

[PvPRotation]

Everyone seems to be blaming the Buddy team for this ban wave.

Believe me I am not kissing their asses, they received a very displeased customer service ticket from me. The change of the keys from lifetime to year based expired 20+ of my keys, worth about 1000$.

That being said it has been a longtime issue of mine that blizzard seems to think they can charge money for a game and then ban your account; essentially revoking your ability to play what you paid for.

It is not until the game is purchased and you create an account that you sign their EULA, at no time during the purchase of the game did I sign anything or state I would not bot, however banning an account makes the game unplayable.

If blizzard wishes to ban accounts, that is fine. However the only truly legal way to act in this manner would be to take the same approach they did with Diablo2. You purchase the game and then can make as many accounts as you wish with that purchase.

I believe if enough people stand for this unjust treatment with the number of people we have in this forum we could counteract all of what Blizz is trying to accomplish by targeting this community.


(I posted this as a reply to another thread but wanted to give it a thread of it's own to get community input.)

It's called charging back the funds, if Blizzard wishes to dispute the return of funds they must offer evidence, they won't and you get money back. Your logic is literally the dumbest thing i've read in a while. Buying Diablo 2 didn't allow you to make as many accounts as you wanted. You made one, it was linked to a CD-Key if that was banned you lost the account, I know I lost many from botting.

Don't use the word legal when you don't understand when it's applicable. You don't have a legal right to make as many accounts on their server. You essentially purchase access to their IP, you can then make an account, which is owned by Blizzard, guided by their EULA, for you to use privately. Should you break their rules you lose it, pretty simple. You can ask to refund the money and have every right to do so, but this arguement you make sounds like a 15 year olds attempt at finding a loophole in the system.

 

[likwid818]

Well lets talk about this a second.

<SNIP (long boring lie)>

Morals generally are religious born and ethics generally are more a biased thing.

Wow. Exactly how much cocaine are you on right now?

 

[Pr1c3rA]

It's called charging back the funds, if Blizzard wishes to dispute the return of funds they must offer evidence, they won't and you get money back. Your logic is literally the dumbest thing i've read in a while. Buying Diablo 2 didn't allow you to make as many accounts as you wanted. You made one, it was linked to a CD-Key if that was banned you lost the account, I know I lost many from botting.

Don't use the word legal when you don't understand when it's applicable. You don't have a legal right to make as many accounts on their server. You essentially purchase access to their IP, you can then make an account, which is owned by Blizzard, guided by their EULA, for you to use privately. Should you break their rules you lose it, pretty simple. You can ask to refund the money and have every right to do so, but this arguement you make sounds like a 15 year olds attempt at finding a loophole in the system.

What your suggesting constitutes chargeback fraud. You know good and well you violated the TOS. If you want to gamble, by filing a fradulent chargeback, in the hopes that Blizzard can't provide proof, then that is fine. But if they can and do, you're looking at a federal offense that carries punitive damages above and beyond Blizzard's actual losses.

TLDR: It's risky and it's not worth the potential outcome.

I've botted for six years. I've never once had my account actioned except in the case where I knowingly violated the TOS. You have to assume that Blizzard knows.

 

[socrates3]

What your suggesting constitutes chargeback fraud. You know good and well you violated the TOS. If you want to gamble, by filing a fradulent chargeback, in the hopes that Blizzard can't provide proof, then that is fine. But if they can and do, you're looking at a federal offense that carries punitive damages above and beyond Blizzard's actual losses.

TLDR: It's risky and it's not worth the potential outcome.

I've botted for six years. I've never once had my account actioned except in the case where I knowingly violated the TOS. You have to assume that Blizzard knows.

Edit: "You" is not directed at Pr1c3rA

You've got to be a real scum-bag to do a charge-back. You knew the risks, own it like a man.

 

[Kuat]

I don't know what's going on in courts, but what Bossland should focus on is to sue Blizzard to forbid them to scan our PC memory, etc.

Basically a privacy violation lawsuit.

 

[Kuat]

You do however sign the EULA/ToS when you register the account.
And without the account, you can't play.

You don't even own an account. It's not yours. You RENT it from Blizzard.

So the way to fight Blizzard is to make them obey worldwide privacy rules and legally forbid them to scan our computer memory/backgrounds.

Without signing anything at the time of purchase they have no right to prevent you from using that purchase. Plain and simple.

Nothing in the world comes with the terms you buy it then sign an agreement to give up all access in the event you break any rules after the purchase has already been made.

If you bought a hard copy of the game and have your account banned, that 50$ cd is now nothing more then a paper weight.

You don't buy their game, you RENT IT.
And they can stop renting it to you at any time for any reason the like.

 

[Catmeat]

Scanning your PC is probably already in the documentation you agree to when you sign up. I'm sure they've got all their bases covered. They've been doing this for a while.

 

[phazeshifta123]

You guys need to stop throwing around the word scanning...Blizzard is not scanning your pc.

They are scanning within their own MEMORY SPACE while their game is running to check for programs like HB being hooked into their process. Do any of you even have the remotest clue as to what Warden is and does?

Don't you think by this point that someone would've noticed Blizz scanning your pc if they were? Of the hundreds of thousands of pc's, probably millions actually, that have wow installed on it, not a single person has ever noticed blizz installing spyware nor have they been caught scanning outside of their processes.

Please stop throwing around terms you know nothing about. Blizz is not doing what you think they're doing.

 

[socrates3]

You guys need to stop throwing around the word scanning...Blizzard is not scanning your pc.

They are scanning within their own MEMORY SPACE while their game is running to check for programs like HB being hooked into their process. Do any of you even have the remotest clue as to what Warden is and does?

Don't you think by this point that someone would've noticed Blizz scanning your pc if they were? Of the hundreds of thousands of pc's, probably millions actually, that have wow installed on it, not a single person has ever noticed blizz installing spyware nor have they been caught scanning outside of their processes.

Please stop throwing around terms you know nothing about. Blizz is not doing what you think they're doing.

BUT BUT BUT. There's a process called Honorbuddy.exe running.... Surely Blizz sees that and auto-bans me!

/sarcasm

They don't scan outside their process.

 

[Aion]

You don't buy their game, you RENT IT.
And they can stop renting it to you at any time for any reason the like.

Please, stop acting like emo kid, but start educate yourself!

I know throwing meaningless sentences on the internet is not big deal, but its quite silly in the eyes of persons, which have idea of civil law, seriously!

 

[phazeshifta123]

Please, stop acting like emo kid, but start educate yourself!

I know throwing meaningless sentences on the internet is not big deal, but its quite silly in the eyes of persons, which have idea of civil law, seriously!

Right back at you, Aion.

It's common knowledge that you own absolutely nothing when it comes to wow, besides the cd's and box the game came in. You do not own your account in any way. You are essentially leasing server space from Blizzard with your account. They can also relieve you of said server space whenever they want. Everything you've ever farmed in the game is not yours, no matter how you try to spin it.

The EULA and TOS both clearly spell this out to you.

Every time you've ever tried to make any type of legal claims to try and discredit Blizzard, you've been dead wrong...Every. Single. Time.

 

[Pr1c3rA]

You own a license to utilize the software. You're not renting the software. You don't own the software. You are an end user. Any end user is subject to an end user license agreement which instructs you on what you are and are not able to do with the software.

 

[Kuat]

Scanning your PC is probably already in the documentation you agree to when you sign up. I'm sure they've got all their bases covered. They've been doing this for a while.

It may be in the documentation/tos but it's not legal.

They can put into their ToS that you agree for them to come over and fuck your wife - doesn't mean it would be legal.

 

[ali.dm12345678]

If botting was mandatory and allowed to everyone, what Utopia can we imagine? what would the game be like?

 

[Aion]

If botting was mandatory and allowed to everyone, what Utopia can we imagine? what would the game be like?

Actually its indeed mandatory for any person, which have life and still want to progress further in the game, without sacrificing his own life.

I used to play alot in Vanilla, BC and TBC, once the game was just 3 years old, I already had ~300 days played on my main character, 100 days scattered around my alts, and I am not proud of it. Roughly this is 8 hours each day spent online in the last 3 years ... and even after I have achieved quite a lot with this "main", like claiming Scarab Lord and tons of other stuff, I still had to skip or not able to claim other noticeable ingame feats like Immortal or so.

So, do not tell me the botting is not mandatory, when we currently need 54 levels of Artifact power and the correct 2 legendaries to get accepted into mythic raiding guilds! Are those two factors matter of skills?

While legit players are spending thousands of runs on 3 chests Mythic+ Maw of Souls for it, Blizzard allows russian wintraders to farm it fully afk in matter of hours - for reference check WoW Artifact Power Rankings :: WoWProgress - World of Warcraft Rankings rating, and its on first page!

And this is just one of the thousands examples of the sole fact, that Blizzard makes botting mandatory!
It is not allowed of course, but it is tolerated already, since Blizzard stopped actioning botters with account closures, but apply 6/18 months suspensions only, so people have to buy more and more accounts after each suspension and continue the feed!

So we are already in the Utopia, indeed!

I am sure that if Bossland had already gave up, and not another good bot was left on the niche, around half of the WoW population will simply stop to play, and those would not be the casuals newcomers to WoW, but the upper scope of semi-casual and semi hardcore veteran players, which understand the current ingame balance.

1. On first place, all the players, which are using bots for their casual gameplay will stop - this is ~10% of wow population,
2. Then all the gold farmers would have to stop too, if not good bot would take the niche, this is another 10% of wow pop,
3. Then the AH prices on rough materials will skyrocket! (Remember, no more Garrison mine/herb market gain from casuals) and majority of the sami-casual, semi-hardcore players are forced to spent double the time they already spend online to get the pace, so they will simply quit, sooner or later (Remember #2, no more gold income from Garrison Missions, the WoD-style for casuals/semi casuals to feed their raiding needs) Here the assumption is harder - maybe another 10% - 30% of wow population will get this cut, but it will be barely lower.
4. BGs will be for players only so ... welcome 15-30min BG queues outside rush hours, the pvp casuals would be derailed hard, when they have to play 15min then 30min afk ...and we know most pvp players do not have other online activities but pvp. Another cut should be expected here - 5-10% .. who knows ...

And where we are now? WoW cut by half ...


P.S. Doh, it became quite annoying and long post but TLDR: Botting is mandatory!

 

[phazeshifta123]

P.S. Doh, it became quite annoying and long post but TLDR: Botting is mandatory!

As around 1-3% of the wow community bots, and that's at the very most, it's quite obvious that botting is indeed NOT mandatory.

Strong opinions on a subject doesn't make something a fact.