Stand Up To Blizzard!

[Goshinki]

Just purchase it with Paypal. You got 6 months to make a dispute and charge back 6 months of service etc.

 

[exaccuss]

Well to be fair, you DID break their rules. They have every right to ban you for that. Annoying as it may be.

 

[Labze]

Naut, your premise is flawed. Just because you don't sign the terms of service upon purchase doesn't make the set of rules any less valid. The fact is that, as with almost any online service, you do not own the account. Your account is a property of Blizzard and they can, even without reason, terminate your account without reason. This is not something exclusive with Blizzard, any online service follows these rules. This is even true for many single player games now adays. Games that require you to use a platform such Origin can be disabled if you violate their terms of service even though you didn't agree to that when you purchase the games in store.

The thing is, if you don't agree with their terms of service I'm sure Blizzard will refund your purchase. But as you accepted it before you register your account, before your key is used, then your argument is pretty invalid.

 

[Aion]

I've rarely seen them just do it for no reason, more often than not a rule was broken. In those outlying events I agree with you the customer should have some recourse. But in our context it's not being cancelled by blizzard it's being cancelled by the user the second they break the rules.

That is the Blizzard's excuse to cancel the contract with you, Maffyx.

We are never presented evidences, that actual ingame "rule" is violated, no matter if its "detection" wave or random "batched" bans due to reports or stuff, we are only called out, never a single proof is given!

In the legal world, any legal action is taken based on strong evidence, not on assumptions.

If the law was based on assumptions, each US muslim, born in Afghanistan in the ages between 19 and 24, without living parents, wife, kids etc. and etc. would have been jailed, simply because the statistic says that he has 94.6586% chance to became kamikaze assassin in the next 7.9 months!

Of course, Blizzard's customer support system is not the legal world, so they could write whatever they like in those tickets/emails regarding account actions, because these are not legal document.

If anyone of you have tried to ask a legal question to a Game Master, they right away are redirecting you to call or write email to their legal department.

 

[qztr]

You are however purchasing the license and not the game itself.
You can download the game for free on their website, but you'll need keys to activate it. And it's the key that you're paying for, and with that key, you're breaking their rules and they have every right to ban you since you agreed to their EULA/ToS.

I do however understand your reference to Diablo 2 as I'm "playing" it myself every ladder. They went another direction after Diablo 2 release, one license = one account. And they do perform CDkey bans in Diablo 2 as well, they're just not as common as account closure.


When you log in to a new account, you'll get prompted to read the ToS/EULA when you log in the first time, and if you don't accept that, well, open a ticket asking for a refund.

 

[Demondog70]

WOW. Long kind of pointless argument to be honest. I can't believe it made it to 3 pages. Simply put Blizzard has the right if they find you are botting to ban your account based on EULA/TOS. This could be legally challenged in a court of law because they don't provide evidence especially when the person did not use the bot but chances are they won't and Blizz won't be forced to demonstrate how they detected the bot. Much less who sues for under $100 nowadays a big corporation who could make the $100 into a $10,000 legal challenge.

It matters not when you read the EULA/TOS only that it is present and you signed it digitally. If you don't agree request a refund plain and simple. Acceptance means you agree Blizz can ban you. End of story. Period.

We are botters and Blizz has the right to ban us for using their property in different manner as prescribed.

Done. Buried. Please let's close this thread. It's pointless.

 

[black_au]

My argument was ridiculous, yet you are comparing botting to shooting someone. That is cute.

The point is the EULA is not linked to the purchase of the game, it is linked to the creation of an account. Yes they have every right to ban your account for breaking that EULA.

Without signing anything at the time of purchase they have no right to prevent you from using that purchase. Plain and simple.

Nothing in the world comes with the terms you buy it then sign an agreement to give up all access in the event you break any rules after the purchase has already been made.

If you bought a hard copy of the game and have your account banned, that 50$ cd is now nothing more then a paper weight. I should really not need to explain that this is improper business practice.

There's only one person to blame in all this. The person that uses the bot. We all know the consequences, and there's no use crying like a bitch when you get banned. By the way, "more 'THAN' a paperweight". People who don't know the difference between then and than, or that paperweight is one word, certainly shouldn't be calling people out for making ridiculous statements.

 

[Maffyx]

That is the Blizzard's excuse to cancel the contract with you, Maffyx.

We are never presented evidences, that actual ingame "rule" is violated, no matter if its "detection" wave or random "batched" bans due to reports or stuff, we are only called out, never a single proof is given!

In the legal world, any legal action is taken based on strong evidence, not on assumptions.

If the law was based on assumptions, each US muslim, born in Afghanistan in the ages between 19 and 24, without living parents, wife, kids etc. and etc. would have been jailed, simply because the statistic says that he has 94.6586% chance to became kamikaze assassin in the next 7.9 months!

Of course, Blizzard's customer support system is not the legal world, so they could write whatever they like in those tickets/emails regarding account actions, because these are not legal document.

If anyone of you have tried to ask a legal question to a Game Master, they right away are redirecting you to call or write email to their legal department.

That's fine by me, it's part of the contract I agreed to. Doesn't matter if they have evidence or not, these aren't laws and Blizzard also isn't working on assumptions, they just don't need to provide the proof. They're simply protecting their product by the means they see necessary. Yeah that makes sense, why would GM's be answering legal questions? That's not their purview.

 

[t1a1]

phazeshifta123 types_____ How many games do you know of where botting is openly allowed? How many games did you know that botting WAS NOT allowed in?How many games do you know of where botting is openly allowed? How many games did you know that botting WAS NOT allowed in? You surely had that knowledge before purchasing wow and starting to bot with it...If you didn't, you should've educated yourself before you decided to openly break blizzard's rules.

Well lets talk about this a second.

Back when I started as a for instance. I had NEVER heard about an rpg mmo game. Yes, I had played xbox/nintindo and even computer based stand along games (Diablo and Diablo II and yes even Warcraft as an example) and I cheated on all of them when and where I could. I even cheated Nintendo games too at the time.

One day my 15 year old daughter walks in and says dad! Will you buy us a computer game. It's like you're warcraft but it's called World of Warcraft and it's new and you play it on your computer like your other games. Do you see where this is going? Well if not, I'll type more.

There was no warning on the box telling anyone that you had to accept anything. I even went to the wow webpage to see if there was anything special I needed to know, (how to play and that sort of thing) and back then, if you wanted to find out anything about such a thing as what we all now know is a EULA or TOS, you really had to hunt for it on the web site and you certainly needed to know what you were hunting for (the EULA and Tos I later saw it in the little book that came with the game, but it was in the back and in small print as if it wasn't something important). There wasn't a pamphlet separate insde the box either telling about a EULA and ToS.

Of course we thought it was just a new version of what I was already playing, except that my daughter told me that we could play together (later I learned she had a boyfriend she wanted to play with) through our network (back then it was all dial up). So once I read the how to's, like creating a toon and class and so on, I then put the disk in our computer and proceeded to install. Installation went without a hitch and so, I then needed to create an account.

It was at this time I first leaned I had a 15 dollar more pmt. that I had to make (I should have right then, just taken my loss for the purchase of the game and walked away). I turned and looked at my daughter and asked her if she knew about this added cost and she said no (but I'll bet she did). I told her that I wasn't going to pay this added crap once a month just to play a game! And in fact, I stopped right there and did nothing for about a month. Well you guessed it! I finally gave in to my daughter and paid the month for the game (little did I know at this time, that she and her lil boyfriend had been playing wow already at their friends house and had already made a toon).. Since she already had a toon, I let her do her thing after paying the added 15 bucks. She logged in and did her thing. Meaning I personally had yet to see this EULA or TOS. As time went on (about a week) she and her lil boy toy split up and she was then begging me to play with her. To shorten this all, it was at this time that I then saw something else that pissed me completely off and it was in that lil book the game came with. You got it! The Eula and Tos. I'll never forget my first words about it after reading it. They Were: Did Hitler rise from the DEAD! This is some Nazi $hit. These S.O.B.s must have gotten that stuff outta Mein Komph!

In short and to this day, I still believe wording needs put on the outside of the box with a buyer beware warning on it. And in BIG BOLD GLOWING LETTERS! Yeah we play the game and yeah we (my daughter actually) hit the accept button. I had spent 45 dollars on vanilla and the month subscription before my daughter ever hit that accept button. For us, back then, that was a very big amount of money for us as a family. I didn't feel it wise to just throw that money away so....In the end, I accepted that B.S simply because I love my daughter. And yes we had great fun together back then. We were on a pvp server and beating anyone we saw up. She was a rogue and I had my hunter. Together out in the pvp world, we tore others up! But as is with all kids, she grew tired of it and there I was with a game, that to this day I play.

My whole bottom line point is, that there are some people even today as naïve about rpg mmo games as I was back then. Usually they've invested a minimum of 30 dollars just for what they probably think is just a computer game. Normally it isn't until after the install that anyone sees or knows a thing about the EULA and TOS (even if they can find it online and in that lil book of which most don't even look at) and you can bet Blizzard knows this too. I'd like to know how many parents did what I should have done, once they see that chit! Bet it's more than I think!

In the end. people cheat when and where they can. It's almost human nature to find a way to make something go easier and faster. Even in the work place. To ask if it's a right or wrong thing to be doing is getting into morals and ethics. Morals generally are religious born and ethics generally are more a biased thing.

 

[Labze]

There was no warning on the box telling anyone that you had to accept anything. I even went to the wow webpage to see if there was anything special I needed to know, (how to play and that sort of thing) and back then, if you wanted to find out anything about such a thing as what we all now know is a EULA or TOS, you really had to hunt for it on the web site and you certainly needed to know what you were hunting for (the EULA and Tos I later saw it in the little book that came with the game, but it was in the back and in small print as if it wasn't something important). There wasn't a pamphlet separate insde the box either telling about a EULA and ToS.

What a pointless long post. Theres a big white box of text on the back of the retail box stating "The use of this product is subject to the terms of an End User licencse which you must accept before you install this product, and all use of the product is subject to the World of Warcraft Terms of Use which you must accept before you can register an account". You even have to press I accept to these terms when you register a new license and always had to. The box also comes with a warning on the back saying there is a monthly subscription. Your entire post is based on your own ignorance or just plainly ignoring the obvious facts stated on the box. You even said that you created the account, so saying that you did not know that you would have a recurring payment is so stupid considering that upon registration you are prompted to set up your credit card.

The arguments in this thread is ridiculous. "I did not know, therefor I am not in the wrong" is stupid. I'm sure people aren't so ignorant when they buy some electronic product and use it for something that it is not intended for and then sue the company because they weren't forced to read the manual before use.

You had every chance to buy the game, read the box, see that there is some terms of service, read it then figure you don't agree and then return the game. Since you didn't, you are in the wrong.

 

[plzrepeat]

If that was aimed at me, I never once defended botting. As I said twice they have every right to ban your account for breaking the EULA.

They do not however have the right to prevent you from using something you paid for without having to sign that EULA at the time of purchase.

If your account is banned you should have the ability to create another without having to purchase the game again. As was the case in their previous games such as Diablo2 as I stated before.

Don't you click agree when you download the game? lol No offense, but you should talk to lawyer, they will find your argument absurd.

 

[qztr]

......(the EULA and Tos I later saw it in the little book that came with the game, but it was in the back and in small print as if it wasn't something important).

The details are always in the fine-print. No matter what you're looking at/buying.

 

[t1a1]

Theres a big white box of text on the back of the retail box stating

I tell you what! I've got every box from my first to my last, so you come here and show me on that first wow box where it's at. You can't for many reasons, but the most important one is... that it's because it's no where on the outside of this first wow game box I bought. I'm sitting here looking at it. NO WHERE is it stating anything like you say on the outside. The first world of Warcraft that went live, did so in November 2004. I bought our game in April 2005 (have the receipt in the box). On that box, there is no such thing. Indeed on the battle chest box there is, but It's no " BIG WHITE BOX" then again too, that wasn't released until Oct 2007. By that time, Blizzard had seen the ere of their way and yes, it was on the outside of the battle chest box ( I have two of those sitting here for other accounts I opened at the time). But it's not in big bold letters either. It's actually on the bottom of the box on the left corner in letters so small you best have very young eyes to see it or good reading glasses. Maybe even a magnifying glass. You definitely have to know it's there and know what to look for. Most people new don't know. And yes by then, you still had to go on the website and create an account before you could log into the game and try to play it. It wasn't at all like it is today or even 6 years ago. Not then it wasn't. Today you click on a ready made desk top link created by installing the game to your hard drive and click on it. Doing that opens a launcher that pretty much guides people through everything to set up a new account. Anyway Had I seen that in the beginning in the store on the box, it would have stayed on the shelf! However it WAS NOT and IS NOT on the outside of that first game box. And like I said ,I didn't see any of it anyway until later on and by that time, it was too late too. My daughter clicked the agree button unbeknownst to me at that particular moment like I said. Anyway...After having spent money for 3 accounts and almost 3 years of monthly dues on each account, I had at the time, made the choice to just do what everyone does and keep playing despite the stupidity of the EULA and TOS. Well actually of course I'd made that decision the moment I saw those silly things that first day. Had too much money, time and effort in the game by then. Besides! Like I stated already, we had fun too. The pointlessness of these last few posts show up out of you. I bet you'd still buy and watch TV even if some nonsense BS was put on the box, that said you couldn't use a dvd because it disrupted or is unfair to others or that you couldn't watch a certain type of programing on it. Naw you'd still buy it and use it the way you wanted complete with putting a dvd on it despite that horse shit pile of nonsense. Just because you push a button on something or read something or maybe even sign something that says you have to agree to it, doesn't mean that you'll think it's right or that you will ever really agree to it. You do it simply because you paid for it and want to use it and play it or in the case of a tv, watch it the way you wanted. Even if you went and bought a GUN and a paper you had to sign said you can't go out and kill someone. It doesn't it mean some won't do it, just because some user agreement said not to! We all know some do anyway. Just like we know many Bot despite some BS rulings. I had to sign a contract for pmts on my new truck. I don't like them or really agree with some things in it, but I wanted the truck and you bet I'll do what ever I want to with it, even if it's not paid for yet or some silly rule is in place. Oh! and today even wal - mart won't let you return a game. Well they sure don't around the ones where I reside. So no you couldn't take it back if you didn't read it in the store first. In truth, many stores today won't allow the return of video games at all. Even if they are unopened. I didn't say I was suing anyone or thing either. I simply in a nut shell, said that the EULA and TOS was a dictatorial bunch of shit. Get over yourself. You don't seem to know near as much as you think you do. While not knowing the content of law is said to be no defense. IE meaning being Naïve .. I never said me not at first seeing rules or knowing about them was an excuse for botting or not botting or an excuse for anything. I simply told the story to say those rules were shit in the beginning and are still to this day. And by gawd! If I pay for something, I'll use it in what ever way I want to. And I'll go against those rules and bot. Took Blizz 11 years to catch me on the one recently. And when things settle, I'll be botting again. But for now! I'm not even going to think about it. I made a choice to bot and got caught! I'm not crying or whining about it. Nor am I making any excuse.

Now to the last point.
My post was to also show that despite your and the OP words I typed to and both your limits in thinking, not everyone is aware of everything. Or anything for that matter. My post was to show and to also say that I was a virgin in the game world of online games at the time and thus, I was not aware that I should have even been looking for anything like a TOS or EULA. Not an excuse at all, but a real life fact! Therefore being very naïve about it at the time. I simply didn't look for some sort of warning in the store. And had it actually been on the box (which it isn't on my first wow vanilla box), I'd defiantly had to look for it anyway. It wasn't like other games of today that have rating stuff in big bold letters saying it's for a mature audience (MA). It in fact, even now it's in small type on the bottom of the box, where unless you have knowledge before hand, you'll not look for, much less see easily. Like I also said above. IT"S NOT A BIG WHITE BOX either, it's a small white thing exactly 1 7/8" x 7/8" on the bottom left corner of my battle chest boxes and 2 3/8" x 3/8" on my Legion Box and the same on my Cataclysm box. So that blows your big white box comment all to hell. Anyway, being very naive about it at the time, I simply didn't look for it in the store. It wasn't like it was the first time I went out on patrol in Vietnam! where I had guys experienced to help keep me from doing stupid shit that could not only get me killed, but them too. And I love those guys for helping me like that. I simply didn't have anyone to show me the rpg mmo ropes. Like a virgin, I just went to poking at it and hoping I wasn't doing too much wrong. But when I did see that stupid shit EULA and TOS (by the way has changed since those first days too). I thought exactly what I said.
And I still think that to this day. 12 years later.

 

[Labze]

I tell you what! I've got every box from my first to my last, so you come here and show me on that first wow box where it's at.

I don't know why you insist on writing such a wall of text and I admit i haven't read the whole thing. But i can assure you it is to be found on your box. I still have my vanilla retail box and it is very much easy to find on it. I insist, take a screenshot of your box and prove it isn't there because every retail box I have seen so far has this printed on it. However, as i mentioned this isn't the only place where you are noted of it. Upon registration you have to accept the terms and you are noted once again the first time you log into your account. That is 3 times you are noted that these rules exist and 2 times you are forced to press accept to it before you can proceed to play. I don't know how Blizzard could make it anymore obvious unless they force you to read it out aloud to your computer for you to be able to press accept.

 

[t1a1]

Labze since you admit you didn't read it all. Perhaps not even all of my first post either. I'll simply leave you thinking you know something.

Perhaps I have a explaining problem or you have a comprehension or even caring problem. You don't have to believe a thing! I don't really care at this point and time. I've typed what I wanted to say and there is enough to it.

You've admitted that you can't or don't take the time to read and try to comprehend something far more interesting than reading a EULA or TOS imo and come in here trying to preach about availability of it. Hell man! You can't read/won't read here! so you probably sure didn't read that whole EULA and TOS either, even admitting knowing about it before hand. With calling me a liar complete with bodacious bragging about a big white box that doesn't exist at all on those boxes and that you knew about it way before you ever bought the game. Maybe you did. But then again, maybe you didn't so prove that! one way or the other! It doesn't matter if it's where ever or how many times. What the truth is... is that despite the little white boxes with small print on the bottom of a box or that shit you have to agree to in game, most people don't read it and don't look for it on the boxes. GOT IT! Good!

 

[Labze]

Labze since you admit you didn't read it all. Perhaps not even all of my first post either. I'll simply leave you thinking you know something.

Perhaps I have a explaining problem or you have a comprehension or even caring problem. You don't have to believe a thing! I don't really care at this point and time. I've typed what I wanted to say and there is enough to it.

You've admitted that you can't or don't take the time to read and try to comprehend something far more interesting than reading a EULA or TOS imo and come in here trying to preach about availability of it. Hell man! You can't read/won't read here! so you probably sure didn't read that whole EULA and TOS either, even admitting knowing about it before hand. With calling me a liar complete with bodacious bragging about a big white box that doesn't exist at all on those boxes and that you knew about it way before you ever bought the game. Maybe you did. But then again, maybe you didn't so prove that! one way or the other! It doesn't matter if it's where ever or how many times. What the truth is... is that despite the little white boxes with small print on the bottom of a box or that shit you have to agree to in game, most people don't read it and don't look for it on the boxes. GOT IT! Good!

I think I have a comprehension problem, because I can't comprehend how any adult person can make any excuse to acknowledge the existence of the terms of service before registering the game. Your story doesn't hold up, your wall of texts are totally side track in regards to the context of what we are talking about.

 

[Demondog70]

I tell you what! I've got every box from my first to my last, so you come here and show me on that first wow box where it's at. You can't for many reasons, but the most important one is... that it's because it's no where on the outside of this first wow game box I bought. I'm sitting here looking at it. NO WHERE is it stating anything like you say on the outside. The first world of Warcraft that went live, did so in November 2004. I bought our game in April 2005 (have the receipt in the box). On that box, there is no such thing. Indeed on the battle chest box there is, but It's no " BIG WHITE BOX" then again too, that wasn't released until Oct 2007. By that time, Blizzard had seen the ere of their way and yes, it was on the outside of the battle chest box ( I have two of those sitting here for other accounts I opened at the time). But it's not in big bold letters either. It's actually on the bottom of the box on the left corner in letters so small you best have very young eyes to see it or good reading glasses. Maybe even a magnifying glass. You definitely have to know it's there and know what to look for. Most people new don't know. And yes by then, you still had to go on the website and create an account before you could log into the game and try to play it. It wasn't at all like it is today or even 6 years ago. Not then it wasn't. Today you click on a ready made desk top link created by installing the game to your hard drive and click on it. Doing that opens a launcher that pretty much guides people through everything to set up a new account. Anyway Had I seen that in the beginning in the store on the box, it would have stayed on the shelf! However it WAS NOT and IS NOT on the outside of that first game box. And like I said ,I didn't see any of it anyway until later on and by that time, it was too late too. My daughter clicked the agree button unbeknownst to me at that particular moment like I said. Anyway...After having spent money for 3 accounts and almost 3 years of monthly dues on each account, I had at the time, made the choice to just do what everyone does and keep playing despite the stupidity of the EULA and TOS. Well actually of course I'd made that decision the moment I saw those silly things that first day. Had too much money, time and effort in the game by then. Besides! Like I stated already, we had fun too. The pointlessness of these last few posts show up out of you. I bet you'd still buy and watch TV even if some nonsense BS was put on the box, that said you couldn't use a dvd because it disrupted or is unfair to others or that you couldn't watch a certain type of programing on it. Naw you'd still buy it and use it the way you wanted complete with putting a dvd on it despite that horse shit pile of nonsense. Just because you push a button on something or read something or maybe even sign something that says you have to agree to it, doesn't mean that you'll think it's right or that you will ever really agree to it. You do it simply because you paid for it and want to use it and play it or in the case of a tv, watch it the way you wanted. Even if you went and bought a GUN and a paper you had to sign said you can't go out and kill someone. It doesn't it mean some won't do it, just because some user agreement said not to! We all know some do anyway. Just like we know many Bot despite some BS rulings. I had to sign a contract for pmts on my new truck. I don't like them or really agree with some things in it, but I wanted the truck and you bet I'll do what ever I want to with it, even if it's not paid for yet or some silly rule is in place. Oh! and today even wal - mart won't let you return a game. Well they sure don't around the ones where I reside. So no you couldn't take it back if you didn't read it in the store first. In truth, many stores today won't allow the return of video games at all. Even if they are unopened. I didn't say I was suing anyone or thing either. I simply in a nut shell, said that the EULA and TOS was a dictatorial bunch of shit. Get over yourself. You don't seem to know near as much as you think you do. While not knowing the content of law is said to be no defense. IE meaning being Naïve .. I never said me not at first seeing rules or knowing about them was an excuse for botting or not botting or an excuse for anything. I simply told the story to say those rules were shit in the beginning and are still to this day. And by gawd! If I pay for something, I'll use it in what ever way I want to. And I'll go against those rules and bot. Took Blizz 11 years to catch me on the one recently. And when things settle, I'll be botting again. But for now! I'm not even going to think about it. I made a choice to bot and got caught! I'm not crying or whining about it. Nor am I making any excuse.

Now to the last point.
My post was to also show that despite your and the OP words I typed to and both your limits in thinking, not everyone is aware of everything. Or anything for that matter. My post was to show and to also say that I was a virgin in the game world of online games at the time and thus, I was not aware that I should have even been looking for anything like a TOS or EULA. Not an excuse at all, but a real life fact! Therefore being very naïve about it at the time. I simply didn't look for some sort of warning in the store. And had it actually been on the box (which it isn't on my first wow vanilla box), I'd defiantly had to look for it anyway. It wasn't like other games of today that have rating stuff in big bold letters saying it's for a mature audience (MA). It in fact, even now it's in small type on the bottom of the box, where unless you have knowledge before hand, you'll not look for, much less see easily. Like I also said above. IT"S NOT A BIG WHITE BOX either, it's a small white thing exactly 1 7/8" x 7/8" on the bottom left corner of my battle chest boxes and 2 3/8" x 3/8" on my Legion Box and the same on my Cataclysm box. So that blows your big white box comment all to hell. Anyway, being very naive about it at the time, I simply didn't look for it in the store. It wasn't like it was the first time I went out on patrol in Vietnam! where I had guys experienced to help keep me from doing stupid shit that could not only get me killed, but them too. And I love those guys for helping me like that. I simply didn't have anyone to show me the rpg mmo ropes. Like a virgin, I just went to poking at it and hoping I wasn't doing too much wrong. But when I did see that stupid shit EULA and TOS (by the way has changed since those first days too). I thought exactly what I said.
And I still think that to this day. 12 years later.

SOMEONE KILL ME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a F'in long post. The Britannica the way it was meant to be written by t1a1....Decisions decisions...slit wrist, hang myself or blown my f'in brains out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[t1a1]

Labze

No that's not a comprehension problem .. That's an ego problem of thinking you actually know something about people in general. I bet that on a daily basis you can be caught making bad decisions and choices and not knowing many things in and of this world even as an adult. The day you learn that! Is the day you too may become an adult.

 

[EleGiggle]

I tell you what! I've got every box from my first to my last, so you come here and show me on that first wow box where it's at. You can't for many reasons, but the most important one is... that it's because it's no where on the outside of this first wow game box I bought. I'm sitting here looking at it. NO WHERE is it stating anything like you say on the outside. The first world of Warcraft that went live, did so in November 2004. I bought our game in April 2005 (have the receipt in the box). On that box, there is no such thing. Indeed on the battle chest box there is, but It's no " BIG WHITE BOX" then again too, that wasn't released until Oct 2007. By that time, Blizzard had seen the ere of their way and yes, it was on the outside of the battle chest box ( I have two of those sitting here for other accounts I opened at the time). But it's not in big bold letters either. It's actually on the bottom of the box on the left corner in letters so small you best have very young eyes to see it or good reading glasses. Maybe even a magnifying glass. You definitely have to know it's there and know what to look for. Most people new don't know. And yes by then, you still had to go on the website and create an account before you could log into the game and try to play it. It wasn't at all like it is today or even 6 years ago. Not then it wasn't. Today you click on a ready made desk top link created by installing the game to your hard drive and click on it. Doing that opens a launcher that pretty much guides people through everything to set up a new account. Anyway Had I seen that in the beginning in the store on the box, it would have stayed on the shelf! However it WAS NOT and IS NOT on the outside of that first game box. And like I said ,I didn't see any of it anyway until later on and by that time, it was too late too. My daughter clicked the agree button unbeknownst to me at that particular moment like I said. Anyway...After having spent money for 3 accounts and almost 3 years of monthly dues on each account, I had at the time, made the choice to just do what everyone does and keep playing despite the stupidity of the EULA and TOS. Well actually of course I'd made that decision the moment I saw those silly things that first day. Had too much money, time and effort in the game by then. Besides! Like I stated already, we had fun too. The pointlessness of these last few posts show up out of you. I bet you'd still buy and watch TV even if some nonsense BS was put on the box, that said you couldn't use a dvd because it disrupted or is unfair to others or that you couldn't watch a certain type of programing on it. Naw you'd still buy it and use it the way you wanted complete with putting a dvd on it despite that horse shit pile of nonsense. Just because you push a button on something or read something or maybe even sign something that says you have to agree to it, doesn't mean that you'll think it's right or that you will ever really agree to it. You do it simply because you paid for it and want to use it and play it or in the case of a tv, watch it the way you wanted. Even if you went and bought a GUN and a paper you had to sign said you can't go out and kill someone. It doesn't it mean some won't do it, just because some user agreement said not to! We all know some do anyway. Just like we know many Bot despite some BS rulings. I had to sign a contract for pmts on my new truck. I don't like them or really agree with some things in it, but I wanted the truck and you bet I'll do what ever I want to with it, even if it's not paid for yet or some silly rule is in place. Oh! and today even wal - mart won't let you return a game. Well they sure don't around the ones where I reside. So no you couldn't take it back if you didn't read it in the store first. In truth, many stores today won't allow the return of video games at all. Even if they are unopened. I didn't say I was suing anyone or thing either. I simply in a nut shell, said that the EULA and TOS was a dictatorial bunch of shit. Get over yourself. You don't seem to know near as much as you think you do. While not knowing the content of law is said to be no defense. IE meaning being Naïve .. I never said me not at first seeing rules or knowing about them was an excuse for botting or not botting or an excuse for anything. I simply told the story to say those rules were shit in the beginning and are still to this day. And by gawd! If I pay for something, I'll use it in what ever way I want to. And I'll go against those rules and bot. Took Blizz 11 years to catch me on the one recently. And when things settle, I'll be botting again. But for now! I'm not even going to think about it. I made a choice to bot and got caught! I'm not crying or whining about it. Nor am I making any excuse.

Now to the last point.
My post was to also show that despite your and the OP words I typed to and both your limits in thinking, not everyone is aware of everything. Or anything for that matter. My post was to show and to also say that I was a virgin in the game world of online games at the time and thus, I was not aware that I should have even been looking for anything like a TOS or EULA. Not an excuse at all, but a real life fact! Therefore being very naïve about it at the time. I simply didn't look for some sort of warning in the store. And had it actually been on the box (which it isn't on my first wow vanilla box), I'd defiantly had to look for it anyway. It wasn't like other games of today that have rating stuff in big bold letters saying it's for a mature audience (MA). It in fact, even now it's in small type on the bottom of the box, where unless you have knowledge before hand, you'll not look for, much less see easily. Like I also said above. IT"S NOT A BIG WHITE BOX either, it's a small white thing exactly 1 7/8" x 7/8" on the bottom left corner of my battle chest boxes and 2 3/8" x 3/8" on my Legion Box and the same on my Cataclysm box. So that blows your big white box comment all to hell. Anyway, being very naive about it at the time, I simply didn't look for it in the store. It wasn't like it was the first time I went out on patrol in Vietnam! where I had guys experienced to help keep me from doing stupid shit that could not only get me killed, but them too. And I love those guys for helping me like that. I simply didn't have anyone to show me the rpg mmo ropes. Like a virgin, I just went to poking at it and hoping I wasn't doing too much wrong. But when I did see that stupid shit EULA and TOS (by the way has changed since those first days too). I thought exactly what I said.
And I still think that to this day. 12 years later.

i tried reading this and i almost puked from oversensation.
Somebody end me pls.

 

[Gentoo]

Hey it's this thread again!