Stand Up To Blizzard!

[naut]

Everyone seems to be blaming the Buddy team for this ban wave.

Believe me I am not kissing their asses, they received a very displeased customer service ticket from me. The change of the keys from lifetime to year based expired 20+ of my keys, worth about 1000$.

That being said it has been a longtime issue of mine that blizzard seems to think they can charge money for a game and then ban your account; essentially revoking your ability to play what you paid for.

It is not until the game is purchased and you create an account that you sign their EULA, at no time during the purchase of the game did I sign anything or state I would not bot, however banning an account makes the game unplayable.

If blizzard wishes to ban accounts, that is fine. However the only truly legal way to act in this manner would be to take the same approach they did with Diablo2. You purchase the game and then can make as many accounts as you wish with that purchase.

I believe if enough people stand for this unjust treatment with the number of people we have in this forum we could counteract all of what Blizz is trying to accomplish by targeting this community.


(I posted this as a reply to another thread but wanted to give it a thread of it's own to get community input.)

 

[phazeshifta123]

lol...what a ridiculous argument.

 

[naut]

lol...what a ridiculous argument.

Lol.. educate yourself or stop wasting oxygen.

 

[phazeshifta123]

Lol.. educate yourself or stop wasting oxygen.

Let's talk a bit about education..

How many games do you know of where botting is openly allowed? How many games did you know that botting WAS NOT allowed in? You surely had that knowledge before purchasing wow and starting to bot with it...If you didn't, you should've educated yourself before you decided to openly break blizzard's rules.

And if you weren't happy with your purchases after reading the rules, why didn't you ask for a refund? It's not Blizzard's fault you failed to educate yourself before making a purchase.

And you certainly can't blame Blizzard for enforcing their rules. You apparently read the EULA/TOS and each of those documents very clearly said that if you don't agree with what was posted in them, you shouldn't have accepted the agreements. Once you did that, you were at the mercy of Blizzard and whatever rules they want to enforce.

"Guys, I bought this gun but noone told me it was against the law to shoot someone...And now I'm in jail and it's the gun maker's fault!! They should've told me that I could get in trouble for shooting someone before I bought the gun!!"

 

[qztr]

You do however sign the EULA/ToS when you register the account.
And without the account, you can't play.

 

[naut]

Let's talk a bit about education..

How many games do you know of where botting is openly allowed? How many games did you know that botting WAS NOT allowed in? You surely had that knowledge before purchasing wow and starting to bot with it...If you didn't, you should've educated yourself before you decided to openly break blizzard's rules.

And if you weren't happy with your purchases after reading the rules, why didn't you ask for a refund? It's not Blizzard's fault you failed to educate yourself before making a purchase.

And you certainly can't blame Blizzard for enforcing their rules. You apparently read the EULA/TOS and each of those documents very clearly said that if you don't agree with what was posted in them, you shouldn't have accepted the agreements. Once you did that, you were at the mercy of Blizzard and whatever rules they want to enforce.

"Guys, I bought this gun but noone told me it was against the law to shoot someone...And now I'm in jail and it's the gun maker's fault!! They should've told me that I could get in trouble for shooting someone before I bought the gun!!"

My argument was ridiculous, yet you are comparing botting to shooting someone. That is cute.

The point is the EULA is not linked to the purchase of the game, it is linked to the creation of an account. Yes they have every right to ban your account for breaking that EULA.

Without signing anything at the time of purchase they have no right to prevent you from using that purchase. Plain and simple.

Nothing in the world comes with the terms you buy it then sign an agreement to give up all access in the event you break any rules after the purchase has already been made.

If you bought a hard copy of the game and have your account banned, that 50$ cd is now nothing more then a paper weight. I should really not need to explain that this is improper business practice.

 

[Verbanski]

My argument was ridiculous, yet you are comparing botting to shooting someone. That is cute.

The point is the EULA is not linked to the purchase of the game, it is linked to the creation of an account. Yes they have every right to ban your account for breaking that EULA.

Without signing anything at the time of purchase they have no right to prevent you from using that purchase. Plain and simple.

Nothing in the world comes with the terms you buy it then sign an agreement to give up all access in the event you break any rules after the purchase has already been made.

Ridiculous is an understatement. I don't even know why you're trying to defend botting. Everyone here knows we're basically cheating in this game, saying we should just be allowed to is plain stupid.

 

[naut]

Ridiculous is an understatement. I don't even know why you're trying to defend botting. Everyone here knows we're basically cheating in this game, saying we should just be allowed to is plain stupid.

If that was aimed at me, I never once defended botting. As I said twice they have every right to ban your account for breaking the EULA.

They do not however have the right to prevent you from using something you paid for without having to sign that EULA at the time of purchase.

If your account is banned you should have the ability to create another without having to purchase the game again. As was the case in their previous games such as Diablo2 as I stated before.

 

[phazeshifta123]

If that was aimed at me, I never once defended botting. As I said twice they have every right to ban your account for breaking the EULA.

They do not however have the right to prevent you from using something you paid for without having to sign that EULA at the time of purchase.

If your account is banned you should have the ability to create another without having to purchase the game again. As was the case in their previous games such as Diablo2 as I stated before.

Yes, they have every right to make you agree to their terms of service before you use their product...Just like every company has the same right to do.

Keep in mind that you willingly accepted the TOS/EULA. You didn't have to do that, and you had the right to request a refund since you didn't agree with the policies.

You can't make your silly argument after the fact. If you had such a problem with it, you never should've started playing the game.

What I made in my previous post was an analogy...It may sound silly to you, but it's not any more silly that the argument you're trying to make, too.

Noone should ever blame a company for enforcing the rules you willingly agreed to when you started using their products.

 

[naut]

Yes, they have every right to make you agree to their terms of service before you use their product...Just like every company has the same right to do.

Keep in mind that you willingly accepted the TOS/EULA. You didn't have to do that, and you had the right to request a refund since you didn't agree with the policies.

You can't make your silly argument after the fact. If you had such a problem with it, you never should've started playing the game.

What I made in my previous post was an analogy...It may sound silly to you, but it's not any more silly that the argument you're trying to make, too.

Noone should ever blame a company for enforcing the rules you willingly agreed to when you started using their products.

It is people like you that are exactly the reason they are able to get away with things such as these. I am not going to bother arguing with you anymore.

Do as you wish and allow others to do the same. A quick look at your recent posts in your profile is all that is needed to see you are nothing more then a troll, every post is negative. Take that shit elsewhere.

 

[socrates3]

It's an interesting argument, they likely have themselves covered for this loophole, but still, interesting.

 

[Maffyx]

My argument was ridiculous, yet you are comparing botting to shooting someone. That is cute.

The point is the EULA is not linked to the purchase of the game, it is linked to the creation of an account. Yes they have every right to ban your account for breaking that EULA.

Without signing anything at the time of purchase they have no right to prevent you from using that purchase. Plain and simple.

Nothing in the world comes with the terms you buy it then sign an agreement to give up all access in the event you break any rules after the purchase has already been made.

If you bought a hard copy of the game and have your account banned, that 50$ cd is now nothing more then a paper weight. I should really not need to explain that this is improper business practice.

That's what refunds are for. Most places give you a limited amount of time to return the product in case you change your mind or get the wrong thing, or find out you can't use it. This applies to pretty much anything you buy. Also you're buying a license to use a product, not the game, and you agree to the TOS and EULA that you'll use the license as it is described in those rules, any use outside of it can affect the status of your license, up to including a permanent ban. In this day in age claiming ignorance of the rules doesn't fly, they're listed online before you even buy the game. Most other products or licenses come with this type of clause, IE. If you use this in a manner that does not line up with the license agreement then you're in breach of the agreement and in turn can be terminated from using the license. This even applies to every day household items, look on some of them, you can go to jail if caught using them improperly.

Also it's on the box, plain and simple, if you chose not to read it that's your fault (this is from the 2005 box):

 

[naut]

That's what refunds are for. Most places give you a limited amount of time to return the product in case you change your mind or get the wrong thing, or find out you can't use it. This applies to pretty much anything you buy. Also you're buying a license to use a product, not the game, and you agree to the TOS and EULA that you'll use the license as it is described in those rules, any use outside of it can affect the status of your license, up to including a permanent ban. In this day in age claiming ignorance of the rules doesn't fly, they're listed online before you even buy the game. Most other products or licenses come with this type of clause, IE. If you use this in a manner that does not line up with the license agreement then you're in breach of the agreement and in turn can be terminated from using the license. This even applies to every day household items, look on some of them, you can go to jail if caught using them improperly.

Also it's on the box, plain and simple, if you chose not to read it that's your fault (this is from the 2005 box):

The mention of an EULA is on the box, you do not sign it at the time of purchase. Nor do they explain what it is, or that if you break it the game is unusable.

The exact same thing was posted on the box of Diablo2, however that game allowed you to create an endless number of accounts, in the event one was banned the game was still playable.

I should really not need to explain this so many times, especially to someone who should be knowledgable on the subject such as yourself.

As for the license statement, your own picture was enough to end that argument. It specifically says software product, not license.

 

[phazeshifta123]

It is people like you that are exactly the reason they are able to get away with things such as these. I am not going to bother arguing with you anymore.

Do as you wish and allow others to do the same. A quick look at your recent posts in your profile is all that is needed to see you are nothing more then a troll, every post is negative. Take that shit elsewhere.

Get away with what? Enforcing the rules you agreed to?

Again, if you had such a problem with the rules they laid down, you should've returned the game, asked for a refund and never thought about playing again.

I fail to see how that's such a hard concept for you to grasp.

 

[Maffyx]

The mention of an EULA is on the box, you do not sign it at the time of purchase. Nor do they explain what it is, or that if you break it the game is unusable.

The exact same thing was posted on the box of Diablo2, however that game allowed you to create an endless number of accounts, in the event one was banned the game was still playable.

I should really not need to explain this so many times, especially to someone who should be knowledgable on the subject such as yourself.

Diablo 2 also had a single player aspect. The onus is on the buyer to do the research on what the agreement is, again it's not Blizzards job to educate everyone on what it means. I have never signed a TOS or EULA to buy any other game, why should this be an exception?

 

[phazeshifta123]

Diablo 2 also had a single player aspect. The onus is on the buyer to do the research on what the agreement is, again it's not Blizzards job to educate everyone on what it means. I have never signed a TOS or EULA to buy any other game, why should this be an exception?

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

It's your responsibility to educate yourself, not Blizzard's. If you can tell me a single game you accepted the TOS or EULA BEFORE you purchased the game, let us all know.

I'm willing to be you can't.

 

[Aion]

After 2 pages here, seems no one cared to read the original post by naut:

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If blizzard wishes to ban accounts, that is fine.
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You purchase the game and then can make as many accounts as you wish with that purchase.

Could barely say it better!

WoW is technically software, so with buying boxed copy of this software, we do buy the license to use it!

Ok, we are required to register a free battle.net account to use this license, this is common, but once Blizzard decide to ban out account for reason or no reason, as they explicitly have said in the EULA, they should only ban the access to this account, not ban our right to use the software, which we have already paid for!

With the ban applied, Blizzard are forcefully "cancelling" the contract between them and their customers, so here is where the customer law should take place and defend Blizzard's customers. At least in EU it should work this way!

 

[Maffyx]

After 2 pages here, seems no one cared to read the original post by naut:

Could barely say it better!

WoW is technically software, so with buying boxed copy of this software, we do buy the license to use it!

Ok, we are required to register a free battle.net account to use this license, this is common, but once Blizzard decide to ban out account for reason or no reason, as they explicitly have said in the EULA, they should only ban the access to this account, not ban our right to use the software, which we have already paid for!

With the ban applied, Blizzard are forcefully "cancelling" the contract between them and their customers, so here is where the customer law should take place and defend Blizzard's customers. At least in EU it should work this way!

I've rarely seen them just do it for no reason, more often than not a rule was broken. In those outlying events I agree with you the customer should have some recourse. But in our context it's not being cancelled by blizzard it's being cancelled by the user the second they break the rules.

 

[Pr1c3rA]

You are not purchasing a disc. You are purchasing an end user license.

 

[yipsilonn]

Ridiculous is an understatement. I don't even know why you're trying to defend botting. Everyone here knows we're basically cheating in this game, saying we should just be allowed to is plain stupid.

Bravo