Honorbuddy Announcement 21th May 2015

[wearloga]

lol true , and click to move

I've been playing with click-to-move for two years before I started botting. Using CTM might just flag your account, but you'll never be banned on that ground alone. It is a service Blizz provides, nothing wrong with using that.

 

[Aion]

I am by no means a fanboy of Blizzard and I am not here to fight against the fellow people in the community. Speculation like everyone else but speaking from the more rational and legal standpoint of things. I do also believe that the outcome in court did have an effect in this recent turn of events for Bossland. Could speculate theories on that all day long but it would be outside the scope of what is important and at hand.

So, I must say it again and again, but the legal discussion should not be taken seriously here, simply because we are neither jurist professionals, neither geeks with strong experience into private rights regulations. And no, extensive reading on the web for private rights do not gives us noticeable advantage on the case.

Saying that frozen accounts where tagged and banned is further proof to say that Blizzard could of had detection long before hand. This somewhat nullifies your statement of saying that HB is unstoppable anyways.

Regarding the Blizzard detection, yes - this is still one of the most possible answers, but it still have it's flaws, because plenty of people have reported for botting accounts, dodged the 13th clean.
I just resubbed a suicide Ru WoD account, which ran 18-20hours daily Botanica for 30days, before ran away off gametime in the first week of march. And it is the only non-banned license in a full battle.net account with suicide farmers. So definitely Blizzard had no detection 2.5 months ago, neither the bans are delivered by association, if you already got banned license on the IP. Beside this license, I have 10+ of non-banned farmers, used between November and February.

Since Blizzard is the one pulling the trigger on the bans it is only fair enough to assume that they could just as easily be controlling their decision to ban. It is not proof to claim that just because no one has been banned in years of botting that Blizzard hasn't known about it or had the potential to do anything.

The Blizzard's past history have definitely proved, that they do Effectively apply Permanent BAN to ALL the accounts detected for any 3rd party or exploits, including the Pirox Banwave, PQR/PE one, Rollback Exploit one and all the previous, no matter what!
So unless their marketing department have "overtuned" the permanent bans to 6 months suspension, which I really doubt, because even after MOP was subscription catastrophe, they still banned 530k PQR/PE accounts! (Which are almost five times more accounts than last week suspension-wave). Again,here I do see only 6 months suspensions, which are NEVER given in the past 10 years for real Detected accounts!

The things I stated were from the standpoint as a programmer and are indeed more common and logical then believing that Blizzard is hacking your computer or some dumb crap like that. If you think that you know more about it then enlighten us? I am welcome to criticism and I'd rather listen to someone more rational then people who want to disable bgbuddy like they think it will make a difference. Cheers.

Yea, you as programmer do act like programmer, but Blizzard act as monopoly corporation instead. Which is nothing new for them - They had lawsuits against anyone, not vanished after the C&D letter by Rod Tigole. Their famous Warden software is almost-official claimed as malware and spyware since 2005! They "detected" Glider at least 2 times with such "scans".

These links do enlighten what Blizzard used to "scan" with the Warden: BBC NEWS | Technology | Warcraft game maker in spying row Warden (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The software engineer, mentioned in the BBC news seems not a random geek on the web too: Greg Hoglund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. His background into cyber security seems impressive!

So I am not skilled enough to have a valid proof about Blizzard's possible "hacking", indeed, but even after Blizzard have an official statement, that they do scan only within their own dedicated memory in RAM, I doubt their honesty!
They already acted very immature and low with booting all the EU and Asian players out of the game in the middle of the reset-day raid clears. And I, as raider am pretty confident, they did that with clear intentions to ruin a full raid-clear night on all the EU/Asia raiding community, so the non-botters blame all the botters for this!

We can live when facing a kid, acting immature, but facing a corporation, spitting on the most of their customers is pity.


P.S.:I still do strongly hope, that they are not so low to run a malware on us for their favor against us, since this is still highly illegal, and the detection is "purely" server-side, but all the rational variants for this "detection" are getting less and less likely with every new day passed.

Sorry for the long read

 

[wearloga]

The Blizzard's past history have definitely proved, that they do Effectively apply Permanent BAN to ALL the accounts detected for any 3rd party or exploits, including the Pirox Banwave, PQR/PE one, Rollback Exploit one and all the previous, no matter what!
So unless their marketing department have "overtuned" the permanent bans to 6 months suspension, which I really doubt, because even after MOP was subscription catastrophe, they still banned 530k PQR/PE accounts! (Which are almost five times more accounts than last week suspension-wave). Again,here I do see only 6 months suspensions, which are NEVER given in the past 10 years for real Detected accounts!

How can we be sure they banned every account the detected? It doesn't seem unthinkable to me that they just weeded out, say, 75% of the detected players. Also I've had a 72 hour ban on two accounts where they said I was botting on. I never appealed those as I had it comming. So not every detection is a perma ban (or maybe I was only suspected and not detected). All we know is that it seems that every account that they let us know that got detected got some form of a ban.

 

[Aion]

How can we be sure they banned every account the detected? It doesn't seem unthinkable to me that they just weeded out, say, 75% of the detected players. Also I've had a 72 hour ban on two accounts where they said I was botting on. I never appealed those as I had it comming. So not every detection is a perma ban (or maybe I was only suspected and not detected). All we know is that it seems that every account that they let us know that got detected got some form of a ban.

Yea, I had that in the mind some days ago, but still it seems unlikely, due to the past Blizzard actions.

I am not referring about the common 3rd party bans, coming after player reports or server-side flag&ban mechanisms - In these either GM manually or coded by the server, you get suspended/banned because your logs looks like your account is botting. This is NOT detection!

Detection is a trace in the server log from your account activity, which is classified as solid proof in the server logs about exploitation activity.

Examples is the Pirox Archa banwave, when the Pirox devs have used private chat channels for intermediate data processing between the botting software and the game client. And since the chat channels are server side, Blizzard have registered all the "chat" logs off this communication.

In such Detection scenarios, we are yet to find a single non-hacked account, which got unbanned!

In the botting community we have 2 types of bans - one are these, which have chance for lifting - random manual or automatic bans for botting. The other are these, which would never be lifted - the banwave bans and Abuse of Economy bans for gold selling.

 

[Komari]

I believe that the ban wave was to get people to do a few things.

1. those who get banned might make new accounts , if they banned say 150,000 people they would be out 2.7m roughly, however, if only 1/2 of them sign back up and repay a month subscription they would make 4.5 roughly, this gives them an edge and they knew it. (After updating the games and paying for the expansions ect.

its a money tactic as simple as that, they donot care about the users , they want money. as someone pointed out, after losing to boss, they got mad.

Personally I refuse to work with a company that is dirty like that. As many others have done, I won't be returning. honorbuddy is and will always be awesome!

people tend to forget that blizzard entertainment is a multi billion dollar company. worth a shit ton, they want and have only 1 thing on their mind... How can I make more money?!

 

[ToxicTwist]

Super happy that the bot will be back up soon. But worried that no one can find out what they did to find us exactly. Botting is all that i have left to keep me interested in wow like many others, but i want to know i have at least a little assurance it's gonna be okay to use again. Ofc there is always the chance i'll be banned. But i had known people using HB for a long time before i tried it and i have used it for about 2 years and everything was smooth sailing, so i sorta felt safe-ish. I just pray that it goes back to that again. Or i cry! I just hate levelling by hand after like 10x

 

[demii]

Open the gate allready.. can't wait It's weekend and i want to bot with HB and my profiles

 

[ltabdiel]

You should read this forum.... 64bit means rewrite whole bot, every tool that they use in development and probably you would need to buy new key.

And no, it wouldn´t be less noticeable.

But if they took the time to make it a 64 bit which in the long run would put it in with everyone else playing wow they wouldnt have to just look for players using 32 bit and narrow it down from that.. If you offer it in both settings the bot would be able to be less detectable in the 64 bit cause im almost certain that 3/4 of the wow population which is 7.1 Million players the bot would get lost.. Not saying it would be impossible to detect but it would have the odds more in our favor than theres is all im saying.. And i doubt that if they were to do this that they would make us pay for a service that we already payed for and have been using. Im sure that they would grandfather everyone who has purchased keys into it and split the keys for new subscribers.

32 or 64 its same fucking detection...

It may be the same fucking detection but its alot more obviouse that you are botting if your in 32 bit cause almost every computer out there can run in 64 bit now...

 

[Trixiap]

But if they took the time to make it a 64 bit which in the long run would put it in with everyone else playing wow they wouldnt have to just look for players using 32 bit and narrow it down from that.. If you offer it in both settings the bot would be able to be less detectable in the 64 bit cause im almost certain that 3/4 of the wow population which is 7.1 Million players the bot would get lost.. Not saying it would be impossible to detect but it would have the odds more in our favor than theres is all im saying.. And i doubt that if they were to do this that they would make us pay for a service that we already payed for and have been using. Im sure that they would grandfather everyone who has purchased keys into it and split the keys for new subscribers.

It may be the same fucking detection but its alot more obviouse that you are botting if your in 32 bit cause almost every computer out there can run in 64 bit now...

Please educate yourself better in field of computer science. There is not single reason why 64bit HB would be safer than 32bit. It is not simply as rewrite some lines and BINGO you have 64bit HB... It is similar to write whole new bot and trust me, that would cost so much money, that they would do it as new product + there are compatibility problems etc.

 

[ckmafia]

Would you tell blizzard you know how they detected you if you were trying to avoid future detection? Just saying.

 

[Moboken]

But if they took the time to make it a 64 bit which in the long run would put it in with everyone else playing wow they wouldnt have to just look for players using 32 bit and narrow it down from that.. If you offer it in both settings the bot would be able to be less detectable in the 64 bit cause im almost certain that 3/4 of the wow population which is 7.1 Million players the bot would get lost.. Not saying it would be impossible to detect but it would have the odds more in our favor than theres is all im saying.. And i doubt that if they were to do this that they would make us pay for a service that we already payed for and have been using. Im sure that they would grandfather everyone who has purchased keys into it and split the keys for new subscribers.



It may be the same fucking detection but its alot more obviouse that you are botting if your in 32 bit cause almost every computer out there can run in 64 bit now...

Actually 32 / 64 is not the same detection. It is only if you had a 64 bit version of the bot.
All Blizzard had to do is scan for all players using the 32bit client (Which they do know who is running it) and then do the detection (scan.dll which is on your computer in the wow folder (also if you open your eyes, you will see the scan-64.dll file. If you run 64 bit windows), The scan tools they use scans your (ram/memory/task processes and probably much more then they will ever admit) on just those running 32bit client. That is more than likely how they got so many.
BTW, I was not doing pvp/raid or anything but manual fishing and would attack a more that came close to me - i did have hb running with lazyraider and my cr but just to do my killing for me. Not to fish. And they still got me.

Since the bot program only runs 32 bit, you can count on them doing this again. They know who is running 32bit. If we also had 64bit bot program then imho only the 32bit users would get banned more often.

 

[killajosh]

I use the 32bit client all the time, even with a 64bit system. I also use CTM and windowed (FS) so I can alt+tab out a lot....

 

[matt84]

I use the 32bit client all the time, even with a 64bit system. I also use CTM and windowed (FS) so I can alt+tab out a lot....

i literally play every game i own in borderless windowed mode, i hardly think thats even a flag.
i do agree with 64 bit, the only game i force to run in 32 bit is WoW for the bot, this is changing.. i wont use anything 3rd party app that isnt 64bit... forcing 32bit onto something that is 64bit capable is crazy and i've had an issue with it for ages, now i feel validated.
click to move - i raided with a guy back in cata who unbinded all his movement keys for ability keybinds and used click to move for movement in heroic raids... he was a terrible player, but he used it legit, so some people do play like that.

 

[Demondog70]

But if they took the time to make it a 64 bit which in the long run would put it in with everyone else playing wow they wouldnt have to just look for players using 32 bit and narrow it down from that.. If you offer it in both settings the bot would be able to be less detectable in the 64 bit cause im almost certain that 3/4 of the wow population which is 7.1 Million players the bot would get lost.. Not saying it would be impossible to detect but it would have the odds more in our favor than theres is all im saying.. And i doubt that if they were to do this that they would make us pay for a service that we already payed for and have been using. Im sure that they would grandfather everyone who has purchased keys into it and split the keys for new subscribers.




It may be the same fucking detection but its alot more obviouse that you are botting if your in 32 bit cause almost every computer out there can run in 64 bit now...

I HIGHLY DOUBT Blizz is banning because you are using 32 bit. HIGHLY DOUBT it's the end all be all of how they found us. Actually I believe if it plays a part in this it is EXTREMELY Minor.

 

[matt84]

I HIGHLY DOUBT Blizz is banning because you are using 32 bit. HIGHLY DOUBT it's the end all be all of how they found us. Actually I believe if it plays a part in this it is EXTREMELY Minor.

maybe not on the fact you're running 32 bit alone... but considering the game default is 64bit and to run 32bit you have to go into settings and change it / manually set up 32 bit usage. it sure narrows down the amount of people

let's say

database query 7.1 million accounts - 1.8 million come up using 32 bit

they have already narrowed down a massive portion of the player base to investigate.

 

[Blood1122]

The reason for the BAN is because Any profile that Auto plays your TOONS movement. I have the conversation were a GM says that "Manually Multiple Parties" which mean PEOPLE viewed each person that was reported or being Suspicious

 

[Blood1122]

So which that conversation i can say People who use profiles that you do all the movement but the bot does the actions wasn't the reason people got this suspension

 

[killajosh]

I find it hard to believe Blizz banned 100k HB users just because of auto-movement.

 

[Blood1122]

They did. They been watching people for along time.

 

[matt84]

Can you tell me something, Account says banned GM told me suspention so which is it?
Ythasat 21:24:53
The account flagging is banned, but its only for 6 months. Not a perma-ban.
Ythasat 21:25:02
So its being treated as a suspension
youat 21:25:03
Ahhh okay better news lol was worried
Ythasat 21:25:20
Right?
youat 21:25:59
GM said something about 3rd party. Which blizz reads ram from the wow folder does that include addons like battle grounds targets ect?
youat 21:26:25
Im trying not to lose my account forever if you know what i mean i been played for eons and have alot of money and time invested
youat 21:27:03
Sorry for so many questions
Ythasat 21:27:12
All I can say about the action is that what was detected was checked manually by multiple parties before the action was taken...we did not act blindly because we know it was a very serious matter.
Ythasat 21:27:42
More than that, I am not at liberty to say in regard to the action taken
youat 21:28:01
Of course dont want you introuble with the boss guys lol
Ythasat 21:28:17

Ythasat 21:28:26
Was there anything else I can look into for you this evening?
Ythasat 21:28:27

youat 21:28:22
How can i learn what addons i may or may not run can you answer that ?
Ythasat 21:29:03
Addons are fine, as long as they do not automate any process. If its something that allows you to walk away and it keeps playing, that is a no no
youat 21:28:55
because you guys have a addons tab which kinda made me confused because blizz says any 3rd party software can get you banned
Ythasat 21:29:26
We do not have a problem with addons, only automation
youat 21:29:17
Ahhh okay makes sence
youat 21:30:10
Well my friend thank you for changing the email and answering my few questions i hope you and your family have a wonderful holiday
Ythasat 21:30:28
You as well, have a good one!
Orc Chat Peonat 21:30:31
The representative has closed this chat session.

you realise a rotationbot automates game play, even if you control movement it automates the ability usage.