As much as I love having y'all consistently trying to bash down people's efforts to contribute the community... I must say that y'all have expressed your point, now continue on with your lives please. I honestly hate arguing with people, it's very destructive, and can turn a valid attempt at contributing to the community into all of a sudden an evil conspiracy.
Anyways, I also got offended by your responses to tombstone, and so I am going to respond to your post as well, piece by piece (in a polite, calm, patient manner).
"Who are you Mr I didn't have 50 posts before I created this thread to say what I am or am not doing."
First off, that statement/question (confused as to which) didn't really make sense. You act offended about the fact that tombstone doesn't want to pick a fight with you. I'm perplexed as to why you continue to try and pick senseless fights. None of your stuff is posted there. None of it will be posted there in the future. We understand your concerns about safety, and now the wiki is passworded and is as secure as possible.
"This won't make anything better. Because any idiot can change something to break the whole profile. Not to mention all the other reasons."
The one reason you state out of "all the reasons" is simply not true. With one full admin as well as 3+ additional admin, the wiki can literally have ANY change made to it reversed back to how it was behind in a single click. I assumed you would have known that based upon the prior experience and knowledge you have acquired over the past 15 years. And, as stated before, we are looking to better this project with constructive criticism, but that is not what you (and a select others) have given. After rereading all your posts you have generally stated why this idea wouldn't work. If this isn't true I would appreciate you quoting yourself showing otherwise from your past posts.
"Everyone who has disagreed with you here is a) more experienced with botting b) are smart enough to know if offsite hosting is dangerous, the way your hosting it, it is, and c) have way more posts and contributions to this community than you have. So where do you think you get off insulting them."
A) You have no reason to say this whatsoever. YOU might have more experience with botting, but I don't think you can say that because you are more experienced with botting that that means this is a bad idea.
B) It's as dangerous as having Blizzard coming on these forums. The wiki is now passworded and all members must get accepted by tombstone himself. This is a perfect example of being part of the problem and not helping lead to a conclusion. If the way it is currently being hosted right now is so much more dangerous than these forums, then how can we go about fixing this? tombstone has already stated he's willing to relocate the wiki and its content to somewhere.
C) I don't see how tombstone has insulted anybody, last I checked he went about on his own project on his own spare time to contribute to the whole of the community. He posted his own thread about his own creation letting the whole community have the opportunity to participate. He wasn't forcing anyone or trying to replace the profiles sub-forum. He has simply created a more dedicated environment for people that really want to combine efforts in the most efficient way to create the highest quality profiles possible. Just because he is a fresh face does not mean he is not as capable as anyone else. As previously pointed out by mattfrey, post count does not mean anything.
"Yet another insult to the regular users. You really know how to get help from the respected members of the community there with insulting everyone."
How has he insulted anyone besides pointing out what you had previously said? You
have taken a "let's just keep doing what we have always been doing" position on this topic. That's true. That's not insulting. Just like you
have (among others) simply begged for this thread to be closed. I honestly can think that maybe, just maybe, you can just leave this thread be, and continue your patrolling of the thread somewhere else.
Live and let live.
"If you tell humans they can sign up for something and hopefully get something for free without doing any work, of course some of the herd followers will sign up. Its human nature. So don't act like you have some massive interest when all the profile makers just think this is funny."
Being that you are bascially trying to take over the profile section of this forum and move it off site, I'd personally ban you for trying to do this being a rather unknown user and doing it without first PM'in the owner to get permission.
Oh and you mention users have to rely on some user keeping it up on their server for free. Well in that turn these users have to rely on you to pay the bill every year. So whats the difference? None. People are still relying on a single user, and a newer user at that.
Watch out for this guy people. He just wants control of something. He's one of those power mongers. Go to his wiki and say something he doesn't like and see if he doesn't ban you immediately."
We have never portrayed the wiki as a "hey come sign up and leech profiles!". As a matter of fact (if you liked at my signature) we try to send a message of communal effort will reap better rewards than having one person post a profile that is half complete only to have others try and use it and then add their own things to it the repost it. As stated before, there will end up being tons of separate individuals' fragments of a profile on the forums. This is where the wiki comes in. If people all used the wiki then all those fragments would instead be on large, high quality, peer evaluated, tested profile. You choose.
The fact that you would ban someone for having a fresh new idea that is contrary to past methods is disappointing. Just like stated earlier in my post, in no way has tombstone portrayed the wiki as a form of replacement of the profiles sub-forum. You have generated this reputation for the wiki as a demon spawn coming to corrupt the Buddy Forums. While in reality, the wiki is just like any other website the Forum community uses IE: Bugtracker, Any type of monitoring plugin, itemID fetchers. I'm certain I could search around for more, but you get what I'm saying.
I can't even comprehend what you are trying to say in that third part of your final response... sorry.
First off, he's not a power monger. The fact that there are 3+ other admins at the site surely shows that. That statement you made has no basis whatsoever. I could just as easily say that the only reason you are so opposed to this idea is because it is taking away your "power" over the community. Of course that's untrue and theoretical, but I have just as much basis to try and accuse you of that as you do of accusing tombstone. tombstone has yet to reverse a single change I had made to the wiki, and he has yet to remove any content anyone has contributed to the wiki.
Now, with that being said, if someone attempts to get on the wiki and simply spam it up with "disagreeable things" of course it will get removed. I will remove it myself if tombstone doesn't. That is simply childish and unnecessary. With power comes responsibility, and with this wiki everyone has equal power to help improve it. If a user abuses that power, and continues to after being warned, I don't see what deems a ban uncalled for.
"Also notice the only people defending this idea are people that were given positions of power. None of the normal users have defended it once."
Now see, this statement is a personal attack, not just to tombstone or the wiki, but to me as well. I can't believe that you would say the only reason I am defending this is because I have a "position of power". I am defending this because I know that this is what the community should be working towards. I know that while the profiles subforum work for posting profiles, they do not work half, or even a quarter, as well as this wiki could. That is why I'm defending this. I'm also defending this because I see the unlogical bias you are trying to use to get this thing shutdown and trying to get tombstone banned.
Like gheez, you all act as if we are trying to cause a revolution and overthrow a tyrannical government.
With all that being said wired420, I think you're an awesome guy and a superb coder. I am using your rogue profile currently with one of the profiles from the wiki and I am running consistently at 180k exp/hr with no deaths! As stated before I appreciate all the valid points you have brought to this discussion. I just feel like you have not had an open mind on the idea. I hope we can agree to disagree on this topic and on tombstone.
I would not like there to be any harsh feelings between us two simply because of our different viewpoints on one topic.
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Now with all that being said, I would like everyone to know that with Flyryan's permission, his Scalding Pools profile was posted on the wiki, and it has improved and been fixed up tremendously through many minor contributions from people editing it through the wiki. Remember that all the changes have only occurred in a small amount of time, and with a small amount of users. Think about how great of a profile this could be in a matter of two or three weeks with double of triple the users adding and editing it!
I highly suggest you compare the two and test them simply for comparison. I feel like through that you can see the true potential of posting a profile via the wiki.
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Now that Bossland has commented on the subject and given us his grace to continue with this, I really would like to see this thread become more constructive and on-subject and less conflicting!
