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I'm happy to see you are gonna join in on this effort!
I hope that there aren't any harsh feelings between us, and if so, I apologize.
Honor Buddy - Wiki Profiles Project (1-80 Leveling, Questing, and more)
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I'm happy to see you are gonna join in on this effort!
I hope that there aren't any harsh feelings between us, and if so, I apologize.
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I think that's a great idea!
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A "Profile Code Snippets" section has been created now:
http://honorbuddyprofiles.wikidot.com/code-snippets
http://honorbuddyprofiles.wikidot.com/code-snippets
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I'm not that good at making profiles, but I have some I've made myself. I will join, maybe upload them, and look around 
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Yes. Why would you put this off site just to confuse more people. I can say. I better not find anything I've posted located on this site or I'll serve a take down notice to the ISP.
Why would you waste your time and others time making something we already have an area for?
Not to mention. Your using a public wiki site. You should make a private one. Its not hard. Scripts on my server automatically install like 20 different types of wiki's.
Why would you waste your time and others time making something we already have an area for?
Not to mention. Your using a public wiki site. You should make a private one. Its not hard. Scripts on my server automatically install like 20 different types of wiki's.
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I can see your point when you say it might be confusing since it's hosted on another domain (public service as you said). But I don't understand your other points, do they really matter? This wiki is for those who want to work together making better profiles, I see nothing wrong, really.
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First off being on a public domain. Blizzard can access it at any time and see where the profiles go without fear of legal ramifications. This, the way it is currently done WILL most likely cause more bans (I'd host a free one just to see where it goes, behind a private domain, with a legal advisory to keep blizzard out, free of charge. I am a web host after all). Second I don't want my stuff there because if I'm going to support it. I don't want it on a publicly modifiable database so I don't have to support 10,000 different versions.
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I put it off-site because I couldn't put it *on-site*. It was the only option, as I obviously don't have any sort of access to the Honorbuddy site or servers to install a wiki. I sent a PM to Bossland offering to set him up as a master admin there though so if he approves of the project, it would technically be under the official "honorbuddy network umbrella".
Also, I don't understand why you would so vehemently refuse to share any of your work on the wiki (assuming you are referring to work that is already publicly available on the forums, that is)? If you are referring to private profiles you have created and sold to someone, however, I am inclined to agree with you, though. A takedown notice is ridiculous and overkill though, as the wiki stores a history of all the edits and you could easily see who posted the offending code piece. That code piece could then be removed (even by yourself, if you join the wiki site), or you could PM an admin and the offending user could be reprimanded and banned if necessary.
I'm sorry, but no. Until now, I don't know of any such area for people to collaboratively edit profiles. We have a forum where one person writes a profile and then people have to post messages in reply that detail their problems and what not. It is up to the original thread owner to actually determine the problem, make the required repairs to the profile, and post a new version. Some profile creators are busy with other things in their lives though, so the problems may take a while (if ever) to be completed. The nice thing about a wiki is that the community itself can make the required edits to the profile instead of having to wait on a single person (the original profile author) to handle it.
Wiki hosting services such as wikidot actually do offer a lot of security configurability and we could quite easily lock it down so that only members had access. Private wiki hosting is a bad idea (unless it is actually hosted on the honorbuddy servers) because you would be relying on a single member of the community's generosity to provide that hosting on their own server. I've run into a number of situations where I saw dead links from private projects faded away, and I don't want a repeat of that. An institutional platform such as wikidot is reliable (they have over half a million members), and it's free, and it was quick and easy to set up. I fail to see why I should go to all the trouble of setting up a server and running scripts and configuring stuff when I was able to just do it on wikidot in a matter of minutes.
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Sure, Blizzard would theoretically be able to access the site and look at the profiles, but they wouldn't be able to "see where the profiles go" and trace them back to WoW players (unless you do something stupid like use the exact same user name on the honor buddy forums as you use in-game). For that matter, Blizzard could easily buy a copy of Honorbuddy and could even pose as an active member of the forums here. There's no way to stop them. "Legal ramifications" have nothing to do with it because even if they *could* track the profiles back to an ip address or something, they would just ban you in-game and no amount of suing them or pointing out your legal advisory would have any effect, and you'd have no way to prove how they traced it to you "illegally" because they aren't legally required to explain their ban reasons or methods.
Secondly, any profile that is posted on the wiki wouldn't be supported by just one person. It would be supported by the entire community. It's not like there would be 10,000 versions of a profile that a single profile author would have to support. There is no reason to be afraid of that.
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First off. Why should I waste my time tracking down a single user when I can just have the whole site removed. I've got better things to do with my time like work on my custom classes, or make more profiles.
Second. My company has been open 15 years next week. I run it as a hobby, not really a way to make money. In 15 years my server has been down for a total of 3 days. I understand just saying you don't want to run it on my servers. No need for the whole oh you may not be able to keep your servers up speech. Wikidot has wiped their users wiki by accident on multiple occasions I've known of. Being that its open to the public blizzard can browse it as it wants. So saying it has some sort of security is really a joke. It says right on the site. Public wiki hosting. Gives blizzard the come right on in go ahead.
Anyways. Thats all I'm going to say about this, besides that I'd trust this a lot more if it was being run by a more active user. Not some user I've never heard a peep out of before. Anyways. You people do what you want. Use their profiles searchable on google and publicly copy and pastable. Get your accounts banned. I don't care.
Also got to mention I think its funny I mention a wiki last week now 6 users are trying to run them without permission to do so.
Second. My company has been open 15 years next week. I run it as a hobby, not really a way to make money. In 15 years my server has been down for a total of 3 days. I understand just saying you don't want to run it on my servers. No need for the whole oh you may not be able to keep your servers up speech. Wikidot has wiped their users wiki by accident on multiple occasions I've known of. Being that its open to the public blizzard can browse it as it wants. So saying it has some sort of security is really a joke. It says right on the site. Public wiki hosting. Gives blizzard the come right on in go ahead.
Anyways. Thats all I'm going to say about this, besides that I'd trust this a lot more if it was being run by a more active user. Not some user I've never heard a peep out of before. Anyways. You people do what you want. Use their profiles searchable on google and publicly copy and pastable. Get your accounts banned. I don't care.
Also got to mention I think its funny I mention a wiki last week now 6 users are trying to run them without permission to do so.
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I honestly don't care where it's hosted, and if you are actually volunteering to set up a wiki site and provide free hosting, I don't see how anyone could find fault with that (assuming the wiki project gets officially sanctioned by bossland). I was just using the resources available to me, and I wanted to get a proof-of-concept up and working as soon as possible.
I never saw your post about setting up a wiki, but I find it strange that you would have mentioned a wiki but now appear to be against it now that someone actually set one up.
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My wiki suggestion wasn't for hosting pieces of honorbuddy. It was for a FAQ on common errors and a common place for all setup videos and such.
Blizzard most certainly could goto your site right now. Write down the coords outta profile then go sit there and watch for people to come.
Its also illegal for Blizzard to buy a copy of the bot, as well as against company policy. It is also illegal for them to click through a warning stating specific penal codes as well as a blurb about who is allowed in and who is not, provided you place at the end of it that World of Warcraft is a trademark of Blizzard entertainment and is in no way associated with this site. It has to be an entrance page tho. If its on the main page of the site you let them in before denying them therefor there can once again come right on in.
Blizzard most certainly could goto your site right now. Write down the coords outta profile then go sit there and watch for people to come.
Its also illegal for Blizzard to buy a copy of the bot, as well as against company policy. It is also illegal for them to click through a warning stating specific penal codes as well as a blurb about who is allowed in and who is not, provided you place at the end of it that World of Warcraft is a trademark of Blizzard entertainment and is in no way associated with this site. It has to be an entrance page tho. If its on the main page of the site you let them in before denying them therefor there can once again come right on in.
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If you don't like the idea of using a wiki built profile, Wired420, then just don't. Make your own or continue using the barely finished ones on this website.
My wanting of a profile store was only for the good of the community, not to fill my wallet. This wiki is the next best thing.
Also, to everyone that likes the idea of this wiki, put a link to the wiki in your signature to get more people using it.
My wanting of a profile store was only for the good of the community, not to fill my wallet. This wiki is the next best thing.
Also, to everyone that likes the idea of this wiki, put a link to the wiki in your signature to get more people using it.
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You *do* realize that the buddyforum.de site is completely open to the public, right? Anyone can browse it and see all the comments and profile comments and everything (yes, even Blizzard). The only thing you even need an account for is just to download files, and the actual registration form says nothing about laws or how blizzard can't join, etc...
The buddy forum is already essentially a wide-open book, so if you are honestly worried about blizzard discovering profile coordinates and staking them out in-game to ban bots, then I'm afraid you have bigger things to be concerned about than our wiki project.
Also, once again, I will repeat the fact that the wiki supports a security system (I am not using their base-level freebie account). If this is really a deciding issue, I can easily lock it down so that nobody can see *anything* except for a membership application (which would have to be manually approved on a case-by-case basis by an admin).
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Awesome! Good to have you on board. I believe you mentioned something once about having built a high quality questing profile. Would you be willing to share it (or parts of it) with the wiki community to get us started?
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I have added a basic level of security to the wiki so that not just anyone can view stuff or join and also to prevent search engines from indexing it.
To join and view the various pages on the site, users will now be prompted for a password, which can currently only be found here on the forums.
The sign-up password is: aw3somesauce
To join and view the various pages on the site, users will now be prompted for a password, which can currently only be found here on the forums.
The sign-up password is: aw3somesauce
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In which case you ruin the whole point of doing a wiki by locking it down as such, and might as well goto a user generated CMS system with a wiki plugin. As far as buddyforum being wide open. Yes they can view posts in certain areas. No they can't download or view the coords in a profile.
Anyways. I can see enough to know this wasn't well thought out. Should have come up with a plan instead of willy nilly throwing something together on a whim. Poor planning on your part already reflects poorly on this project.
PS) If you didn't know. The laws are different in Germany. They don't care if Blizzard invades their site because its not illegal there. How ever wikidot is hosted on USA based servers. So without the warning they can come right in. If it gets big enough they can even use what they gather to sue you personally at any time they deem fit.
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