Easiest AV fix, please implement it

[souper2]

How do I get new tlx/tly , brx/bry values? When the only change I make to the profile is the hotspot for Field of Strife, the profile won't run; could you tell me how because I would really like to change it.


Souper:
<PvpProfile>
<Hotspot x="-20.92689" y="-273.8561" z="14.5243425" default="true" tlx="11" tly="-244" brx="-70" bry="-344" name="Balinda" side="1" />
<Hotspot x="623.1547" y="-177.6082" z="-1.43326676" tlx="639" tly="-148" brx="613" bry="-209" name="Stormpike Bridge - Left" />
<Hotspot x="633.3466" y="-246.5536" z="-5.63620043" tlx="643" tly="-209" brx="619" bry="-270" name="Stormpike Bridge - Right" />
</PvpProfile>

Thanks mate - will give it a whirl and report how I got on!

 

[pngwyn]

There's a good reason the profiles have not been touched for any of the BGs.

None of them are broken. Plain and simple.

I apologize that you're in the minority, and don't like the profiles. But that's also the reason why they aren't hard-coded into the bot itself. If you don't like it, feel free to change it.

So I am in the minority when I say PvP with HB is buggy? All my OP was hoping to achieve is a better, less buggy PvP system. If you really think I am in the minority for that I think you're greatly mistaken. Right now the issue lies in the both the way HB deals with LoS and the profile leading the bot into situations where there will be these bugs that can't be handled by HB. So, yes, if HB was improved perhaps the profiles wouldn't be broken, but to say they are working 100% functionally right now would be foolish.

I really think you're pulling the whole "minority" thing out of thin air, because it seems like the majority of the people in this thread agree that PvPing with HB still has a long way to go, both with profiles and bot function. Please point me me to this majority who likes their bots getting stuck in AV towers or running back in forth at a broken SoTA gate.

I originally wrote the profiles to encompass as many 'areas' as I could, without overwhelming the bot, and causing it to get too 'jerky'.

If you don't like the way the profile works, feel free to comment out the hotspots you don't like. We will not however, remove them to make 5-10 people happy, and in turn annoy the rest of our customer base.

What my post is saying now is that the profiles do overwhelm the bot and cause it to be jerky, for a lot more than 5-10 people, I guarantee you.. and your auto-response to that is along the lines of "if you don't like it, change it".

Great support.

 

[greaterdeath]

Yes I would like to change it I can do that no problem! I just need one bit of information: How do I get new tlx/tly , brx/bry values?

TYVM in advance.

 

[spoonerton]

im doing a little bit of tweaking here and there to make sure we follow the group as they progress instead of sticking around behind. this will be for horde obviously. i know i had some requests to stick up my profile but i have a few small details im still adding in. i will post when the servers come back up and i can finish it today. I know paddy posted pretty much what i was using before. as for the tlx/tly/brx/bry boxes i just ran around and made hotspots and recorded those values as if they were two opposite corners of a square.. from what i read i assume it takes those points and uses it as a field for searching for players.. and i have them set right now pretty much around belinda, a long narrow box from stonehearth up to stormpike(this is for fighting to right sight of bridge), then one that falls over the bridge and into the dun baldar area so that we fight to left side of bridge up to dun baldar grave yard.. then a box for inside vans room so that when everyone else is in hopefully we head in and help.. still have been running in sometimes and pulling when everyone else is just kind of hanging out lol. but i mean it works enough that when watching it even im convinced my character is just tryin his hardest to just help

 

[jprd105]

Awsome spoonerton. Will be looking forward to these changes. As far as Apoc, i have a lot of respect for all the things he does here but he is simply wrong to say that AV is not buggy. If there is a minority of people who dont find it a priortity then its because a lot of people use this as a farming program and dont even use the bg bot. I wouldnt say its broken because it runs around but it dosnt do what it needs to do to get the most out of AV. It needs a LOT of improvement as far as where the bot runs. i havnt seen it get stuck in a wile but thats because i have been using horde, when i was alliance it would get stuck at a spot consistantly.(i cant say for the last month if there have been changes i dont know) So im excited to see some revision from spoonerton and test it out.

 

[greaterdeath]

Okay, that makes a lot of sense spoonerton thanks for explaining & giving an example! I'll try it out when servers are up also

 

[spoonerton]

Alright. after being very confused by the coordinate system and playing around in AV's for a bit, this profile works enough for me. im still watching it but ill post what i have!
Just remember this is for horde, and stick it in the Default Profiles folder. i would just make sure to keep ur old one around in case this doesnt work for you

View attachment AlteracValley.xml

 

[Apoc]

So I am in the minority when I say PvP with HB is buggy? All my OP was hoping to achieve is a better, less buggy PvP system. If you really think I am in the minority for that I think you're greatly mistaken. Right now the issue lies in the both the way HB deals with LoS and the profile leading the bot into situations where there will be these bugs that can't be handled by HB. So, yes, if HB was improved perhaps the profiles wouldn't be broken, but to say they are working 100% functionally right now would be foolish.

I really think you're pulling the whole "minority" thing out of thin air, because it seems like the majority of the people in this thread agree that PvPing with HB still has a long way to go, both with profiles and bot function. Please point me me to this majority who likes their bots getting stuck in AV towers or running back in forth at a broken SoTA gate.



What my post is saying now is that the profiles do overwhelm the bot and cause it to be jerky, for a lot more than 5-10 people, I guarantee you.. and your auto-response to that is along the lines of "if you don't like it, change it".

Great support.

I have no "auto-response" and I don't like you accusing me of doing so. (Trust me; if I had one, it'd make my life easier. But then again; nobody would get any worthwhile replies either)

I never stated either bot was 'perfect'. None of them ever will be, thats just a fact of how bots work.

HB itself has 0 LoS issues. The issues you're seeing are likely coming from the CC. (After HB targets something; it pushes most of the logic to the CC, at which point HB only makes sure 'big things' are still being done properly. Mostly related to not targeting dead units, etc.)

As I said in my previous post; the BG profiles are *not* broken. The way the BGBot handles some of the hotspots in AV does need tweaking, however there are so many different ways a BG can go, its impossible for me to test every one. (E.g. the current 'theme' of AV right now, seems to be D Galv, and ignore everything else. The flavor or the week may change tomorrow, but as of right now, I can't really get any 'diverse' games to actually see what happens.)

In all of the BGs I've ran, there have been very few BGBot related issues. Some related to nav (yes, it does fall off the tower steps once in a while, but so do actual players, I've never actually seen it get stuck in a tower though), but most of which are CC related.

When testing 'bots', I use a custom CC with minimal logic to do what needs to be done, and nothing more. So I know exactly where a problem may lie. I don't trust other people to write bug-less CCs, so if there's a bug in the logic somewhere, I know its my fault, and where it is.

Not to bash any CC devs, but most of the issues I've seen with BGBot so far, are mostly CC related. (Some decide to completely overwrite our targeting logic, others simply don't even check for LOS. And even worse; some don't even bother moving to a target to kill it, instead they just sit there forever doing nothing.)

I do most of my testing on a druid; and while I know its not the 'best' thing to be testing on, it allows me to test 3 different 'classes' at once. (Melee, ranged, and healer) If you have class-specific issues, by all means, let me know. I'll try and talk to whoever wrote the CC to get the issues fixed. And if they refuse, I'll simply make the changes myself, and post it in their thread.

I call you the "minority" because only 5-10 people have had any complaints about the BG profiles (excluding those who have edited them, and just plain broken them)

To those of you who actually want to take the time to edit the profiles yourself; chinajade has done a good job documenting the profile structure. (Although he/she has left out the support for blackspots [its the same as regular profiles])

You can find said documentation here: Honorbuddy Profile Tag: PvpProfile - Buddy Wiki