blizzard wins, admit defeat.

[Mattys]

I have said that, multiple times now.

And go ahead and prove to me that Blizz couldn't detect the bot 3 years ago. I'd absolutely LOVE for you to prove that.

Just because they didn't throw out banwaves every 6 months, it doesn't mean that they haven't always been able to detect the bot.

It's funny how people have such short memories on these forums. Most anyone that's been here for awhile will remember that the first of the recent banwaves went out shortly after Blizz lost it's first lawsuit to Bossland. Coincidence? Maybe, but seems like a pretty strange coincidence.

I firmly believe that Blizz has always been able to detect the bot. They simply didn't have enough reason throw out bans in the past like they do now. Every day Blizz and Bossland spend fighting each other costs each company huge amounts of money. So what's the best way to hurt Bossland right now? Keep whittling away at his user-base until noone trusts his company. If they just banned every HB user right away, the court could look negatively on the action, so they choose to continue to hit Bossland over and over again with small'ish banwaves. And all the while, Bossland keeps losing money.

Of course that's just a theory and I could be completely wrong.

I do remember when the first wave occurred and I also figured it was Blizzard's way of revenge.

It's definitely an interesting theory you propose, and quite plausible. Yet, I believe that Blizzard could not detect the bot back then. I don't know how much it would take for Blizzard to put these anti bot mechanics in place, and how much money they've spent on it, but maybe the incentives to do so weren't worth the time and costs back then. If they knew people were botting, they'd just ban/suspend them like they do now. However, I know for a fact that they implemented a check in the 32 bit client specifically for HonorBuddy not so long ago.

Anyway, whether they could detect it or not, it was definitely safer back then. If they could detect it, they didn't really do anything.

 

[ryftobuddy]

lol if hb is so safe why are there people that get banned and some dont dont say hb is safe if we didnt used hb on that account it wouldnt be banned so no HB IS NOT SAFE DUDE keep believing in this.

You really should read a complete thread before replying to posts. I clearly explained the reasoning for that statement several times.

And learning to use proper spelling and sentence structure will help you immensely in life, especially when trying to get your point across.

 

[pimpampum]

Boys, stop the witchhunt on Ryftobuddy.....or, at the very least, READ WHAT HE SAYS before giving your understandingly angry opinion.

He is NOT saying HB is safe.

He is stating that HB is as safe as always.

Which, at this exact point, and going through his many posts, he means in the complete opposite sense that you are reading.

He is saying that HB has (probably) always been detected, and actions against it have only recently started in big scale.


Which is assuming a lot, but at least, he is not playing the Underrat...white knight of the day.

 

[Mattys]

Boys, stop the witchhunt on Ryftobuddy.....or, at the very least, READ WHAT HE SAYS before giving your understandingly angry opinion.

He is NOT saying HB is safe.

He is stating that HB is as safe as always.

Which, at this exact point, and going through his many posts, he means in the complete opposite sense that you are reading.

He is saying that HB has (probably) always been detected, and actions against it have only recently started in big scale.


Which is assuming a lot, but at least, he is not playing the Underrat...white knight of the day.

My post wasn't aimed at ryftobuddy specifically. I like that guy - He usually say things as they are, instead of brown-nosing Bossland. My post is aimed at all those people yelling "It's as safe as always", when newcomers ask if it's considered safe to use Honorbuddy now.

 

[pimpampum]

My post is aimed at all those people yelling "It's as safe as always", when newcomers ask if it's considered safe to use Honorbuddy now.

A lot of people, including me, share that mock when we read that sentence, always by the same people, thread after thread.

But, guess what? Saying "Honorbuddy is detected" doesn't get many sales. Saying the same, but the other way around....

 

[UnderratedPost]

most of the haters probably weren't even around years ago lol, bunch of liars trying to make HB look bad

anyone was around will remember when blizzard started making changes to warden and the buddy developers made a big statement that these were the first changes they had detected in YEARS, and it was a sign blizzard was finally mobilising against them probably hiring a bunch of developers to work on detecting HB after the legal route stalled.

you have to be really naive to think there was any difference before the first banwave other than blizzard's own lack of motivation to ban people. so yes the bot is as safe as always!!! and when you are the biggest target, maybe the only target, the HB developers have done an amazing job to give us months of botting at a time without any bans, if you think you could do a better job why don't you try and see how it goes

 

[Mattys]

most of the haters probably weren't even around years ago lol, bunch of liars trying to make HB look bad

anyone was around will remember when blizzard started making changes to warden and the buddy developers made a big statement that these were the first changes they had detected in YEARS, and it was a sign blizzard was finally mobilising against them probably hiring a bunch of developers to work on detecting HB after the legal route stalled.

you have to be really naive to think there was any difference before the first banwave other than blizzard's own lack of motivation to ban people. so yes the bot is as safe as always!!! and when you are the biggest target, maybe the only target, the HB developers have done an amazing job to give us months of botting at a time without any bans, if you think you could do a better job why don't you try and see how it goes

hehe

 

[anubite]

While most are farming salt or supplying it, I gone back to botting
2 out of my lot did not receive 6 months not sure how but got them back to doing what they normally do and got some new raf crews together.
I know the bot ain't safe but screw it I enjoy it got nothing better to do and if you save your gold into guilds banks every hour like I do when these happen you still got you gold at the end of the day.

At the end of the day, just roll with the punches if not move on this is a ***** tool at the end of the day shit happens.
And if your main got done, then learn your lesson like I did once and do not bot on what your not willing to risk, now I use SBR on my main with OSX app hoping blizzard won't implement detection on Mac client but meh that is a risk I'm willing to take but HB 32bit as one developer I think raphus said is the only one being targeted currently sad for them but we knew this already so just get with the times.

 

[matt84]

My post wasn't aimed at ryftobuddy specifically. I like that guy - He usually say things as they are, instead of brown-nosing Bossland. My post is aimed at all those people yelling "It's as safe as always", when newcomers ask if it's considered safe to use Honorbuddy now.

i agree with this, saying it's as safe as always is highly misleading.. it's a well known fact that warden was being updated and worked on not long before the first banwave went out last year... this would indeed point to the fact that blizzard has gone out of it's way to update and evolve their program to a point where at any time they can detect and gather data on people using the bot.... it happened to like 4 or 5 programs one after the other all got it.

we can keep saying "it's as safe as it has always been" but thats simply not the case, back in wrath / cata / mop it was safe, only abusing the program would lead to action against your account now, warden is updated and clearly it's working because every 6 - 8 months like clockwork that suspension hammer comes swinging around again and people getting caught up in it...

but this is a business and there is a product to sell, so of course no staff member here is going to say "no it's not safe, please we don't want you money"

so whats the alternative "it's as safe as it's always been" doesn't make the statement true... but it's also not false because yes there has always been a risk with botting.

 

[ryftobuddy]

we can keep saying "it's as safe as it has always been" but thats simply not the case, back in wrath / cata / mop it was safe, only abusing the program would lead to action against your account now, warden is updated and clearly it's working because every 6 - 8 months like clockwork that suspension hammer comes swinging around again and people getting caught up in it...

I feel like a broken record...

Take any idea that the bot was more safe "back in the day" and throw it right out the window. YOUR ACCOUNT HAS NEVER BEEN SAFE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR PERCEPTIONS ARE. ANY SENSE OF SAFETY YOU HAD WAS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. BLIZZARD COULD'VE BANNED YOU AT ANY TIME FOR, FOR ANY REASON THEY WANTED.

 

[matt84]

I feel like a broken record...

Take any idea that the bot was more safe "back in the day" and throw it right out the window. YOUR ACCOUNT HAS NEVER BEEN SAFE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR PERCEPTIONS ARE. ANY SENSE OF SAFETY YOU HAD WAS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. BLIZZARD COULD'VE BANNED YOU AT ANY TIME FOR, FOR ANY REASON THEY WANTED.

incorrect warden updates last year lead to this.. go do some reading on unbiased ownedcore.

i'm sorry but your opinion isn't the only correct and valid one because you agree with the buddy crew.

 

[ryftobuddy]

incorrect warden updates last year lead to this.. go do some reading on unbiased ownedcore.

i'm sorry but your opinion isn't the only correct and valid one because you agree with the buddy crew.

Once again, that is patently false.

The HB team has already come out and said that Warden was most likely NOT the cause of the most recent banwave. How can you argue that updates to Warden have been the cause for every banwave when that clearly is not the case?

With that being said, how can you sit and say that the updates to warden a year ago are the only cause for the banwaves? How can you say that Blizz, theoretically, hasn't always had protections other than Warden in place that have never been caught before?

It will be interesting to see what OC gathers about this banwave. If HB is actually correct about their theory, what's a bot company's next steps? You can protect against Warden all you want, but if Blizz has counter-measures in place to catch bots in other ways, what are the bot companies going to do?

 

[matt84]

Once again, that is patently false.

The HB team has already come out and said that Warden was most likely NOT the cause of the most recent banwave. How can you argue that updates to Warden have been the cause for every banwave when that clearly is not the case?

With that being said, how can you sit and say that the updates to warden a year ago are the only cause for the banwaves? How can you say that Blizz, theoretically, hasn't always had protections other than Warden in place that have never been caught before?

It will be interesting to see what OC gathers about this banwave. If HB is actually correct about their theory, what's a bot company's next steps? You can protect against Warden all you want, but if Blizz has counter-measures in place to catch bots in other ways, what are the bot companies going to do?

of course because they going to say it was their fault... lol

you asking me, how can i say this and that... well how can you say with such conviction that botting is as safe as it's always been.... 2 sides of a coin bro

sorry just needed to make an edit

It will be interesting to see what OC gathers about this banwave. If HB is actually correct about their theory, what's a bot company's next steps? You can protect against Warden all you want, but if Blizz has counter-measures in place to catch bots in other ways, what are the bot companies going to do? > in regards to this.. i haven't touched HB since the very first banwave last year for this exact reason... i called it that every 6 - 8 months a new one would come rolling in, as a business owner myself, it's exactly what i'd do if i wanted to get rid of something... it's basic hostile business tactics

 

[ryftobuddy]

i haven't touched HB since the very first banwave last year for this exact reason... i called it that every 6 - 8 months a new one would come rolling in, as a business owner myself, it's exactly what i'd do if i wanted to get rid of something...

So you're just coming here to argue?

I've never quite understood people's fascinations with continuing to come to forums for a product they don't use and haven't used for years.

Do you get some joy in pointing your finger and saying "I told you so"?

Because I can say with 100% certainty that botting is exactly as safe as it's always been. The probability of you getting banned is very close to 100%. That probability hasn't changed since the day the bot was released. If the probability of getting banned has remained the same this entire time, the bot is no more and no less safe than the day it was released.

 

[matt84]

So you're just coming here to argue?

I've never quite understood people's fascinations with continuing to come to forums for a product they don't use and haven't used for years.

Do you get some joy in pointing your finger and saying "I told you so"?

Because I can say with 100% certainty that botting is exactly as safe as it's always been. The probability of you getting banned is very close to 100%. That probability hasn't changed since the day the bot was released. If the probability of getting banned has remained the same this entire time, the bot is no more and no less safe than the day it was released.

i can say with 100% certainty that you're wrong and botting is not as safe as it has always been.
because it's factual knowledge that last year warden got updates to the 32 bit system and has had a team working on / with it since then... which it didnt have previously.

and you don't need to understand why i still come here to check on things and see how development is progressing etc... i still own a 3 session lifetime key, i'm allowed to come and check on a product i own.

that doesn't change the fact.. and it has nothing todo with pointing fingers and saying i told you so.. thats why i didn't make a public post saything this would happen every 6 months.. i spoke about it in a closed group with other friends who use / used the bot. it's like you're just trying to attack my character now to boost your opinion which i haven't done to you so i don't appreciate it in return, it's kind of childish to be honest.

 

[ryftobuddy]

i can say with 100% certainty that you're wrong and botting is not as safe as it has always been.
because it's factual knowledge that last year warden got updates to the 32 bit system and has had a team working on / with it since then... which it didnt have previously.

You're really trying to tell me that blizzard hasn't always had a team working on Warden? That's one of the stupidest things I've read on these forums today.

Oh hey, lets just build our security software and let it sit around for 11 years untouched! That sounds brilliant! Go ahead and fire the rest of our security team while you're letting the Warden team go!

I guess I have to point out to you, once again, that Warden is not the cause of the latest banwave if what the HB team says is true. So your idea that Warden updates alone are the cause of this perceived loss of safety, you are wrong.

But keep spewing your nonsense, I'm sure there will be people on these forums that will see it your way.

 

[matt84]

You're really trying to tell me that blizzard hasn't always had a team working on Warden? That's one of the stupidest things I've read on these forums today.

Oh hey, lets just build our security software and let it sit around for 11 years untouched! That sounds brilliant! Go ahead and fire the rest of our security team while you're letting the Warden team go!

and you don't need to understand why i still come here to check on things and see how development is progressing etc... i still own a 3 session lifetime key, i'm allowed to come and check on a product i own.

that doesn't change the fact.. and it has nothing todo with pointing fingers and saying i told you so.. thats why i didn't make a public post saything this would happen every 6 months.. i spoke about it in a closed group with other friends who use / used the bot. it's like you're just trying to attack my character now to boost your opinion which i haven't done to you so i don't appreciate it in return, it's kind of childish to be honest.

for the love of god.... even honorbuddy team made an official post saying "the first changes we have detected in warden in years" so yes, they probably did leave it untouched because it didn't matter, but now it does.

EDIT - all this is still pointless... in the past no banwaves / no detection. now there is detection and banwaves... guess what, the bot isnt as safe as it has always been.

 

[matt84]

if what the HB team says is true.

i rest my case

 

[ryftobuddy]

and you don't need to understand why i still come here to check on things and see how development is progressing etc... i still own a 3 session lifetime key, i'm allowed to come and check on a product i own.

that doesn't change the fact.. and it has nothing todo with pointing fingers and saying i told you so.. thats why i didn't make a public post saything this would happen every 6 months.. i spoke about it in a closed group with other friends who use / used the bot. it's like you're just trying to attack my character now to boost your opinion which i haven't done to you so i don't appreciate it in return, it's kind of childish to be honest.

for the love of god.... even honorbuddy team made an official post saying "the first changes we have detected in warden in years" so yes, they probably did leave it untouched because it didn't matter, but now it does.

EDIT - all this is still pointless... in the past no banwaves / no detection. now there is detection and banwaves... guess what, the bot isnt as safe as it has always been.

You do know that HB has had banwaves previous to the last year, right? For someone with an account from 2010, you seem to have completely forgotten about previous actions. You keep trying to argue that the bot was perfect before the warden updates last year....That everything changed in the last year...It wasn't, it never has been and it never will be.

 

[matt84]

You do know that HB has had banwaves previous to the last year, right? For someone with an account from 2010, you seem to have completely forgotten about previous actions. You keep trying to argue that the bot was perfect before the warden updates last year....That everything changed in the last year...It wasn't, it never has been and it never will be.

nothing on the same scale... your argument is barely even valid.

Edit - deep down you know i'm right you're just trying to save face, i'm done though.. good luck!