1/1 ban on main on how i recomend to proceed

[blista08]

1. - Bad idea and will not work.
3. - You can go ahead and do this, nothing bad will happen but blizzard will just laugh at you and nothing will be done.
4. - Never in the history of any game have you had to agree to terms of service or eula before purchasing said game, so that does not have any legal merit.(world have warcraft have been using the same method for close to 10years) Further more you can in fact return the game if you so choose not to accept the terms/eula, So that is not true at all you did very much have an option to return the game if you were not interested in signing the terms/eula.
5. - Do not do this...it will be a huge waste of time, tbgvtr(OP of the thread) is not doing any of the suggested steps he listed, he is hoping for other people to do it for him hoping that blizzard might get annoyed by the number of banned accounts filing complaints and trying to go around blizzard and contact places like Los Angeles Better Business Bureau, the problem is, is that blizzard wont care even in the slightest, People who bot will continue to buy new accounts so blizzard is still making money so it is a win win situation for them.
6. - There are more than one way of contacting blizzard in regards to your banned account, They specially give you alternate means of contacting them, I suggest you read carefully next time what they say. So your actually not severing anything in section 7 or the entire terms of service/eula and they are upholding everything that it states.
7. - They will warmly thank you right back when you end up getting your paypal shutdown(or funds automatically removed) or sued by blizzard for fraud.

The majority your responses are false and you're completely talking out your ass.

1 - I have done this for all of my transactions (including account creations) and received ALL my money back
3 - Arbitration is an expensive process for Blizzard. In their own legal listing, you can enter into arbitration and they have to "fight the battle" at your convenience and location. They weight the legal cost vs. refund costs.
4 - Dependant on purchase method. If you purchased a hard copy, good luck returning the software to any store. 95%+ stores will not allow a refund on PC software of any kind.
5 - You clearly do not understand the impact that the BBB has on a company, do you?
7 - Blizzard agrees to the refund via Paypal. You've obviously never had a dispute kicked back to you. You cannot be sued or banned on paypal for initiating a dispute. PP Resolution is built for when you cannot come to a resolution between both parties without their assistance. You getting banned for an item you have purchased and the company not wanting to re-instate your account is solid grounds for disputing.

Do a little research before you post. All you are posting is personal feelings and hearsay.

 

[tbgvtr]

The majority your responses are false and you're completely talking out your ass.

1 - I have done this for all of my transactions (including account creations) and received ALL my money back
3 - Arbitration is an expensive process for Blizzard. In their own legal listing, you can enter into arbitration and they have to "fight the battle" at your convenience and location. They weight the legal cost vs. refund costs.
4 - Dependant on purchase method. If you purchased a hard copy, good luck returning the software to any store. 95%+ stores will not allow a refund on PC software of any kind.
5 - You clearly do not understand the impact that the BBB has on a company, do you?
7 - Blizzard agrees to the refund via Paypal. You've obviously never had a dispute kicked back to you. You cannot be sued or banned on paypal for initiating a dispute. PP Resolution is built for when you cannot come to a resolution between both parties without their assistance. You getting banned for an item you have purchased and the company not wanting to re-instate your account is solid grounds for disputing.

Do a little research before you post. All you are posting is personal feelings and hearsay.

Thank you for verifying much of what I posted. To all new viewers, fight for your rights! To bic420.. probably a blizz employee or just an extreme consequentialist.

 

[Bic420]

The majority your responses are false and you're completely talking out your ass.

1 - I have done this for all of my transactions (including account creations) and received ALL my money back
3 - Arbitration is an expensive process for Blizzard. In their own legal listing, you can enter into arbitration and they have to "fight the battle" at your convenience and location. They weight the legal cost vs. refund costs.
4 - Dependant on purchase method. If you purchased a hard copy, good luck returning the software to any store. 95%+ stores will not allow a refund on PC software of any kind.
5 - You clearly do not understand the impact that the BBB has on a company, do you?
7 - Blizzard agrees to the refund via Paypal. You've obviously never had a dispute kicked back to you. You cannot be sued or banned on paypal for initiating a dispute. PP Resolution is built for when you cannot come to a resolution between both parties without their assistance. You getting banned for an item you have purchased and the company not wanting to re-instate your account is solid grounds for disputing.

Do a little research before you post. All you are posting is personal feelings and hearsay.

1- Post some proof. Maybe if your talking very small amount of money but your not going to get much back.
3- It does not matter if its expensive, money is not an option to blizzard they wont care.
4- Most stores wont let you return PC games period diablo3 they will if you decline the TOS , so they do stiill give you a chance to return it.
5- No you clearly don't understand that you need a good case in order to use this method and this is not one.
7- Blizzard wont agree, there is no grounds for a refund at all, Why would the company agree to re-instate your account when you have broken several of their main rules and they have no reason to.

sorry but your incorrect on your points, you need to look a little deeper because your very misinformed.

 

[Bic420]

The box of the game gives you 100% of what you need to know in the terms/eula? This statement seems self-confounding. Once again, as for the Wow/Guildwars reference, I am not personally entering dispute for the value of the title ($59.99), but only for RMAH purchases, to which the clickthrough were (1) required to use the game as anything beyond a frisbee (2) all up for dispute via their dispute resolution policy. Again, the retail outlet I purchased at declined to accept a return for reason of my declining of terms of usage. That story might not be the same for ALL retail outlets, but I do believe it is generally true. Also, for annual pass subscribers, I do not believe all of the DIABLO 3 TOU were available at the time that the annual pass was released. I could be mistaken, maybe an annual pass holder can verify this for me.

Either way, I just received payment for items that I personally sold before I was banned; so I am now (relatively) confident that the chargebacks are not being directed towards the players and rather the "middle man". Thus, I am rejuvenated in my persistance to dispute onward (as well as for those I am advising, including the woman who spent $5000 on the RMAH)!

Yes the game does give you 100% of what you need to know, if you can read that is. Of course the game will be only useable as a frisbee if you get yourself banned, its the same if you get banned from any other online only game, that's not grounds to dispute anything. You did not decline the Terms of service, when i told you about that in a post before you had no idea you could even do that.

"Thank you for verifying much of what I posted. To all new viewers, fight for your rights! To bic420.. probably a blizz employee or just an extreme consequentialist. "

Nope, just someone with some common sense trying to help out, you posting false information is not helping anyone.

oh and if i was a blizz employee i wouldn't say shit, id let you sue and lose big time.

 

[plaror]

The majority your responses are false and you're completely talking out your ass.

1 - I have done this for all of my transactions (including account creations) and received ALL my money back
3 - Arbitration is an expensive process for Blizzard. In their own legal listing, you can enter into arbitration and they have to "fight the battle" at your convenience and location. They weight the legal cost vs. refund costs.
4 - Dependant on purchase method. If you purchased a hard copy, good luck returning the software to any store. 95%+ stores will not allow a refund on PC software of any kind.
5 - You clearly do not understand the impact that the BBB has on a company, do you?
7 - Blizzard agrees to the refund via Paypal. You've obviously never had a dispute kicked back to you. You cannot be sued or banned on paypal for initiating a dispute. PP Resolution is built for when you cannot come to a resolution between both parties without their assistance. You getting banned for an item you have purchased and the company not wanting to re-instate your account is solid grounds for disputing.

Do a little research before you post. All you are posting is personal feelings and hearsay.

BLISTA08 pls tell me exact where to send arbitration?cose i have spent buying items arround for 1000 euro!How exact to process against BLizzard to get any refunds back?Ty

 

[blista08]

1- Post some proof. Maybe if your talking very small amount of money but your not going to get much back.
3- It does not matter if its expensive, money is not an option to blizzard they wont care.
4- Most stores wont let you return PC games period diablo3 they will if you decline the TOS , so they do stiill give you a chance to return it.
5- No you clearly don't understand that you need a good case in order to use this method and this is not one.
7- Blizzard wont agree, there is no grounds for a refund at all, Why would the company agree to re-instate your account when you have broken several of their main rules and they have no reason to.

sorry but your incorrect on your points, you need to look a little deeper because your very misinformed.

This is the last time I'm going to post in response to you. All of my "experiences" (I've been botting for over 7 years now) are what justifies my response to your post. Let me guess, you're a subject matter expert after only botting for less than a month and responding with opinions? The only posts you've made on this forum appears to be complete rubbish that some bullshit fairy popped up and told you to use.

1 - I'm not going to post transactions. I've received a full refund on all 10 of my digitally purchased copies from the previous ban wave.
3 - Money is an option. I'm assuming you don't know shit about business.
4 - Most stores DO NOT give you the option of returns on opened software. Their policies take no affect from Blizzard's actions (stop being a dipshit, it's business, once again).
5 - You do not need to build a "case" to complain to the BBB. You do realize this correct? BBB is used as a feedback system in conjunction with "investigations".
7 - You obviously cannot read. The refund is APPROVED by Blizzard Entertainment. They have the option to continue with the dispute and fight their case. I typically receive my refund within 6-10 business days. Paypal does not automatically just yank money back from the seller unless they do not respond at all within the alloted time period.

Summary - you're a fucking moron.

 

[Bic420]

This is the last time I'm going to post in response to you. All of my "experiences" (I've been botting for over 7 years now) are what justifies my response to your post. Let me guess, you're a subject matter expert after only botting for less than a month and responding with opinions? The only posts you've made on this forum appears to be complete rubbish that some bullshit fairy popped up and told you to use.

1 - I'm not going to post transactions. I've received a full refund on all 10 of my digitally purchased copies from the previous ban wave.
3 - Money is an option. I'm assuming you don't know shit about business.
4 - Most stores DO NOT give you the option of returns on opened software. Their policies take no affect from Blizzard's actions (stop being a dipshit, it's business, once again).
5 - You do not need to build a "case" to complain to the BBB. You do realize this correct? BBB is used as a feedback system in conjunction with "investigations".
7 - You obviously cannot read. The refund is APPROVED by Blizzard Entertainment. They have the option to continue with the dispute and fight their case. I typically receive my refund within 6-10 business days. Paypal does not automatically just yank money back from the seller unless they do not respond at all within the alloted time period.

Summary - you're a fucking moron.

1 - You are seriously brain dead, he said he was not concerned with returning the actual game and was telling people to file a paypal claim for purchased items on the auction house, like i said show proof you got a refund from bought items. No one said you can't find ways around refunding diablo 3 through paypal it is nothing to brag about like you are, read a couple threads on here its common knowledge.
3- No, Money is not an option, Company's as big as Blizzard don't get that way from backing down to flimsy cases that they know they would easily win. They make examples out of people who try and take them to court and end up hurting them worse.
4 - If you decline the TOS/EULA you can return the game. period. It's not the store you purchased it from that will refund you, it's Blizzard.
5 - You do need to build a case, If you want anything done. Otherwise you are just wasting your time.(Which is exactly what is said originally)
7 - Exactly. Blizzard has the option to fight their case like i said.

Again everyone of your points was wrong, you need to learn how to do a lot more then just read, your seriously borderline retarded.

 

[tbgvtr]

1 - You are seriously brain dead, he said he was not concerned with returning the actual game and was telling people to file a paypal claim for purchased items on the auction house, like i said show proof you got a refund from bought items. No one said you can't find ways around refunding diablo 3 through paypal it is nothing to brag about like you are, read a couple threads on here its common knowledge.
3- No, Money is not an option, Company's as big as Blizzard don't get that way from backing down to flimsy cases that they know they would easily win. They make examples out of people who try and take them to court and end up hurting them worse.
4 - If you decline the TOS/EULA you can return the game. period. It's not the store you purchased it from that will refund you, it's Blizzard.
5 - You do need to build a case, If you want anything done. Otherwise you are just wasting your time.(Which is exactly what is said originally)
7 - Exactly. Blizzard has the option to fight their case like i said.

Again everyone of your points was wrong, you need to learn how to do a lot more then just read, your seriously borderline retarded.

4 is false I called blizzard myself requesting a refund for a copy after declining the ToS/Eula, and they said there was nothing they could do because it was purchased retail. The rest is rubbish, as have been all your replies, free bumps as far as I am concerned, Good day.

 

[Bic420]

4 is false I called blizzard myself requesting a refund for a copy after declining the ToS/Eula, and they said there was nothing they could do because it was purchased retail. The rest is rubbish, as have been all your replies, free bumps as far as I am concerned, Good day.

That's a lie, I already returned a copy after declining the EULA/TOS. They give you 30 days to get a full refund all you have to do is call them, you clearly did not. Every single thing you have posted has been proven incorrect, don't get upset because I'm correcting you I already told you I'm not trying to offend you just help.

Sure, as long as these free bumps are informing people with the truth then it's fine by me. Happy new year.



:Edit, Before either of you come back with some more misinformed bullshite ill just post the EULA/TOS paragraph where it clearly states what i have been saying from the very start.

"THIS SOFTWARE IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD. BY INSTALLING, COPYING OR OTHERWISE USING THE GAME (DEFINED BELOW), YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO INSTALL, COPY OR USE THE GAME. IF YOU REJECT THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT WITHIN THIRTY (30) DAYS AFTER YOUR PURCHASE, YOU MAY CALL (800) 757-7707 TO REQUEST A FULL REFUND OF THE PURCHASE PRICE. "

Herrrp derrp derpity deeerp. Like i already said, your wrong, deal with it.

heres the link if you wanna read yourself,(Blizzard Entertainmentiablo III End User License Agreement) you probably should it would help with some of the mistakes you have been making. The part about the refund is the first paragraph at the top.

us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/d3_eula.html

 

[tbgvtr]

You can call to request one but that doesn't mean they will give it to you. If you have already attached it to a battle net account they will not. (In the case I described it had also been just past 30 days, but that's because this copy of diablo 3 was a gift, and purchased well in advance of being given as a gift.) Also, they may have added this or editted this since, I am describing a case in August. I speak from first hand experience, the phone rep had to ask his supervisor, who said that there wasn't anything they could do.

Regardless, as I've mentioned many times before, all of their terms are up for dispute via their dispute resolution policy.

edit- It doesn't mention that the game must be opened, installed, and attached to a battle.net account within 30 days; but it is implied by the terms...obviously good reason to dispute via the dispute resolution policy.

 

[johnny1730]

I had a full legal response, saying a lot of material law, common law, but i will just say

 

[Bic420]

You can call to request one but that doesn't mean they will give it to you. If you have already attached it to a battle net account they will not. (In the case I described it had also been just past 30 days, but that's because this copy of diablo 3 was a gift, and purchased well in advance of being given as a gift.) Also, they may have added this or editted this since, I am describing a case in August. I speak from first hand experience, the phone rep had to ask his supervisor, who said that there wasn't anything they could do.

Regardless, as I've mentioned many times before, all of their terms are up for dispute via their dispute resolution policy.



edit- It doesn't mention that the game must be opened, installed, and attached to a battle.net account within 30 days; but it is implied by the terms...obviously good reason to dispute via the dispute resolution policy.

Actually, If you call to request a refund, they will in fact give you a full refund. They also have not recently added this return policy, it has been in the game from the first day it was released. I know for a fact that they will refund your game, as I have done it myself and know people who have also done it. Its not up for question, if you want a refund all you have to do is call them and ask and it's done.

Regardless of what? you claimed Blizzard was in breach of there TOS/EULA because they did not give customers proper means to return the game if they were not happy with the games "Online only" aspect and the TOS/EULA in general. That is false, they give more then sufficient means to return the game, actually you literally can return it for any reason.

Of course you can dispute their terms, you can always do that but considering you have been giving out false information about their policies from the start, you will not get very far.

 

[tbgvtr]

Actually, If you call to request a refund, they will in fact give you a full refund. They also have not recently added this return policy, it has been in the game from the first day it was released. I know for a fact that they will refund your game, as I have done it myself and know people who have also done it. Its not up for question, if you want a refund all you have to do is call them and ask and it's done.

Regardless of what? you claimed Blizzard was in breach of there TOS/EULA because they did not give customers proper means to return the game if they were not happy with the games "Online only" aspect and the TOS/EULA in general. That is false, they give more then sufficient means to return the game, actually you literally can return it for any reason.

Of course you can dispute their terms, you can always do that but considering you have been giving out false information about their policies from the start, you will not get very far.

Free bump, thanks.
You are wrong I have called I have spoke with "supervisors" and I have been turned down.
All future replies from you will be considered "Free Bumps"
You seriously give disgrace to the good name of Bic lights and 420.

For third parties; none of the information I've given out is false. Bic is speaking in terms of what they say they will do, and we all know that isn't always what they do. Does anyone remembers they got pressure from some asian goverments about their return policy during the time of launch? They don't follow through on it, as governments and individuals alike have come to see. Good day.

 

[tbgvtr]

 

[RadRoach]

can't really argue against a huge corporation, they own the game, they can do what ever they want against its users

 

[Bic420]

Free bump, thanks.
You are wrong I have called I have spoke with "supervisors" and I have been turned down.
All future replies from you will be considered "Free Bumps"
You seriously give disgrace to the good name of Bic lights and 420.

For third parties; none of the information I've given out is false. Bic is speaking in terms of what they say they will do, and we all know that isn't always what they do. Does anyone remembers they got pressure from some asian goverments about their return policy during the time of launch? They don't follow through on it, as governments and individuals alike have come to see. Good day.

Again, Your lying. You never called to return the game, otherwise you would have received a full refund.
I already told you, you can call them free bumps if you want. There is no need to get upset just because I'm right and your wrong. I'm just making sure the truth is out.
Your just a huge disgrace in general, I would feel bad if i was dumb as you also so don't worry.

For third parties; All of the information you have given out is false, that has been proven so. They will do exactly as they state in their TOS/EULA. Just because your too stupid to read does not change anything. Happy new year.

 

[blista08]

Again, Your lying. You never called to return the game, otherwise you would have received a full refund.
I already told you, you can call them free bumps if you want. There is no need to get upset just because I'm right and your wrong. I'm just making sure the truth is out.
Your just a huge disgrace in general, I would feel bad if i was dumb as you also so don't worry.

For third parties; All of the information you have given out is false, that has been proven so. They will do exactly as they state in their TOS/EULA. Just because your too stupid to read does not change anything. Happy new year.

You're continuously asking for "proof". Give us proof of your claims.

 

[blista08]

That's a lie, I already returned a copy after declining the EULA/TOS. They give you 30 days to get a full refund all you have to do is call them, you clearly did not. Every single thing you have posted has been proven incorrect, don't get upset because I'm correcting you I already told you I'm not trying to offend you just help.

Sure, as long as these free bumps are informing people with the truth then it's fine by me. Happy new year.



:Edit, Before either of you come back with some more misinformed bullshite ill just post the EULA/TOS paragraph where it clearly states what i have been saying from the very start.

"THIS SOFTWARE IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD. BY INSTALLING, COPYING OR OTHERWISE USING THE GAME (DEFINED BELOW), YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO INSTALL, COPY OR USE THE GAME. IF YOU REJECT THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT WITHIN THIRTY (30) DAYS AFTER YOUR PURCHASE, YOU MAY CALL (800) 757-7707 TO REQUEST A FULL REFUND OF THE PURCHASE PRICE. "

Herrrp derrp derpity deeerp. Like i already said, your wrong, deal with it.

heres the link if you wanna read yourself,(Blizzard Entertainmentiablo III End User License Agreement) you probably should it would help with some of the mistakes you have been making. The part about the refund is the first paragraph at the top.

us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/d3_eula.html

Give us proof of where you denied their TOS AFTER attaching it to an account and then received a refund.

 

[johnny1730]

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touche, my friend touche

 

[tbgvtr]

btw:
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