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Ok I dont want to get in trouble but just have to share this with you all.

jakeokleu

jakeokleu

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CodenameG said:
just because its private dosnt mean that a program setup to recognized patterns over so many games couldn't cause it to catch. lots of people who pay for private profiles tend to run a lot of bots over a long period, its very possible.
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Ok I will share my experiance and what i did 5 of 5 banned after 4 months
so I made a conclusion that we are detected and heres what i did

Game time 8-12 hours with 5-10 min breaks in between randomized

each bot had a randomized profile meaning

ACT 1 For example Act 1 was custom and had 5 parts, All parts had 100 Different variations meaning timers, click points and all started differently for example 1,2,4,5,3 and then the next variation would start 1,4,2,3,5
I had 100 differant variations that i wrote myself. took me 3 days for just act 1 and about 15 hours each day. Each part started with start.xml
ACT 2 SAME FOR ACT 2 which had 7 parts all randomized same algorithm
ACT 3 AND ACT 3 Same scenario this had 9 parts

my profiles never got stuck
never.

On top of that I used YAR and randomized it even more with the scheduler which I changed every day.
Now to gold and item transfers I used unid items to xfer shuffle back and forth to make is look as legit as I could regullar people would do between 3 shuffle accounts and the 5 bots

The 3 shuffle accounts are ok
the bots are not.

There was/is a detection not sure if you guys are strongly against admitting to it but it would be nice if you did cause there is no way that they would catch up to this

I forgot to mention

I would change the RANDOMIZATION of the profiles each week

Meaning the 300 Different randomization's would be different then from the previous week.

Hows that for a cookie
 
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Example of folder 1 of 10
 
I think the bot follows a certain path which everyone follows even with a different profile (see BGBuddy), I made my own private profile (GatherBuddy2) yet I still saw people going on the exact same path when travelling in the same area, I'm guessing that this is what blizzard looked for and ironically the same pathing is applied to World of Warcraft so Honorbuddy would also be vulnerable if this was the method in which they used to detect us server side.

Although with Diablo 3 it's a lot more confined and not as big as World of Warcraft, so when they try and detect people botting they probably just stick to one area SUCH as Uldum.
 
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honestly its probably not about the paths at all, who knows what information they are collecting and using, but it can be anything.

Heatmaps - Halo Nation

we dont know, but we do know that its server side.
 
CodenameG said:
honestly its probably not about the paths at all, who knows what information they are collecting and using, but it can be anything.

Heatmaps - Halo Nation

we dont know, but we do know that its server side.
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Where you are 100% sure that the problem is not on the client side?. We have a lot of people who have a lot of configuration, randomization, private profiles, private plugins etc etc. So many options. On the server side blizz will not have 100% confidence that each is rightly banned. As you can see from the bans hit very well. This is public forum, every employee can buy a bot check md5 sum and compare it with the customer processes.
 
pikpik said:
Where you are 100% sure that the problem is not on the client side?. We have a lot of people who have a lot of configuration, randomization, private profiles, private plugins etc etc. So many options. On the server side blizz will not have 100% confidence that each is rightly banned. As you can see from the bans hit very well. This is public forum, every employee can buy a bot check md5 sum and compare it with the customer processes.
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yes, im am 100% sure its not client side.
 
It is impossible for the bot to be undetected Impossible as i ran 1000s of different variations through out all of the months 4 months + how many ban waves did we have. Survived all of them but not this one, why?
I understand the business concept of this but dont lie to my face and tell me we are undetected because we are/were.

This thread is not about why, I was banned it or cause im crying because my precious account got fubared no. Its about the demonbuddy dropping the ball and instead of you guys perfecting the bot ex. would be getting some official plugins official maps finished you guys are playing with wow bots and didnt implement anything official into DB. Please help us out here Give us official Maps get random dungeons working plugins pause timers random ones reloggers official ones you guys know what this bot needs so whats going on with getting it done ?
 
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pikpik said:
Where you are 100% sure that the problem is not on the client side?. We have a lot of people who have a lot of configuration, randomization, private profiles, private plugins etc etc. So many options. On the server side blizz will not have 100% confidence that each is rightly banned. As you can see from the bans hit very well. This is public forum, every employee can buy a bot check md5 sum and compare it with the customer processes.
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In my opinion, there are not enough bans for it to be purely software detection. But please bear with us - we will post back when we have a better idea of where we stand.
 
Hey don't go making false accusations here, if the bot were in fact detected then all of ous would have been banned, regardless of our profiles or plugins. For me only 4/8 accounts were banned, which btw all were using DB, so if in fact the bot was detected why did they not ban my other 4 accounts. With that being said --> The bot is NOT detected.

The developers is doing a hell of a job with this bot so stop stomping on their heads, Please!
 
+/- how many bans ? I think everyone should send ticket to blizz support and try to prove his innocence, requires some proofs etc.
 
jakeokleu said:
It is impossible for the bot to be undetected. Impossible as i ran 1000s of different variations through out all of the months. 4 months + how many ban waves did we have. Survived all of them but not this one, why?
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How do you know that you survived? Bliz never bans you immediately when you are found "cheating". This time they wanted to make a statement and banned more flagged accounts than previously.

1/2
 
aqh said:
Nice one, did u buy the gear off auction hosue or did you upgrade from your findings?

By the way, lol @ giving enchantress a skorn xD
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both of them
bought and found
it was 1 hitting in mp1 and was able to farm mp6 - mp7
 
Just one idea to brainstorm around... Not that software detection should be discarded right away (devs have the call on that), but from what I'm seeing, maybe people should consider the fact that the detection system simply goes by a complex analysis with several variables of each account's actions over a rather long timeframe. Something like a multi-check system with lots of IF's, for example... If said account has:

1 - Time played over the last week/month/whatever > xx hours

2 - Number of games played in between a specific timeframe being +- equal over a long period of time (What I'm referring to is the human capability to reproduce bot-like patterns... if u are honest with yourself, you'll probably recognize you can't maintain the same performance you have on the first games you play, when you're playing the same act, the same zones but 12 or 20 hours later... You might be able to, but odds are you are not!)

3 - Different types of activity ingame. For example, endind the game, trying bigger monster power settings and failing, going for keyruns, going for uberbosses. Not that so many "normal" people do it, but bots definitely don't do it often.

4 - Map stucks/subsequent logouts and resume games

5 - A big percentage of coincidental coordinate walk-through points over the games played (even with all the randomization associated with chasing demons around, and different profiles, people can argue a large percentage of each map is walked by on the same points everytime).

I can only throw these down atm, my wits limiting, but blizzard might be able to compile a way bigger list with the information they have available right? My guess is that if they have a huge list with 50+ variables and when they see an account that fulfills at least 40+ of those (take these numbers with a grain of salt ofc), it's a matter of probability: the odds that the account hasn't been botting are very low, seeing as it exhibits so many hints of bot-like activity, and 90% probability might be enough for blizzard, who knows...

That may explain why people can't figure out exactly what has them banned by simply double-checking their account's run status with a fellow botter's and seeing what are the missing links between them. Because even if player A, for example, who runs trinity and radsatom plus act3 champ farming for 20 hours a day and didn't use RMAH and got banned, it doesn't mean player B who also runs that same setup and used it and got free, had the same status regarding that "check-list"... Perhaps player B also had been buying gear to his character, altering his run times as a consequence, or maybe he just switches profiles more often than player A... who knows the tiny details they check?...

If blizz can be satisfied to ban with just 90%+ probability, and not 100%, then this might be the case, and if so... it'll be hard for us to understand all the ban criteria.

On this specific case... Even with all this randomization, did your characters have some sort of gear progression ? I mean... even if they seem to do so many random stuff, to what end do they do it right? What sane person plays so much time, just to have his character stay the same for a long period of time? Just to earn some money through RMAH might be a plausible justification, IF said account is even linked to rmah and not just mule stuff over. But if cross-checked with other stuff, might it raise a flag?...

Cheers
 
jakeokleu said:
It is impossible for the bot to be undetected Impossible as i ran 1000s of different variations through out all of the months 4 months + how many ban waves did we have. Survived all of them but not this one, why?
I understand the business concept of this but dont lie to my face and tell me we are undetected because we are/were.

This thread is not about why, I was banned it or cause im crying because my precious account got fubared no. Its about the demonbuddy dropping the ball and instead of you guys perfecting the bot ex. would be getting some official plugins official maps finished you guys are playing with wow bots and didnt implement anything official into DB. Please help us out here Give us official Maps get random dungeons working plugins pause timers random ones reloggers official ones you guys know what this bot needs so whats going on with getting it done ?
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Where is this coming from, why do you feel so entitled? Yes, you paid for the software but after 4 months i understand you got more then your money's worth. So take it easy buddy.

What you need to understand is that every bot is detectable. A person looking at your screen will always be able to tell if you are using a bot or not. And what person can do, an algorithm and script can mimic (ergo bots). So think of it as a bot looking for bots. There is no way you can have 100% undetectable bot(especially when it's so openly available) unless you are using some kind of advanced AI.

I think i might be the only one here who bought BD for sheer fun of playing with it and checking out what it can do. It truly is a fantastic piece of software. Hopefully few kids will get into programming thanks to BD, because only knowledge is worth anything.
 
well I ran 5 bots for the last 6-1 month.~ I added a new bot every month ~.
They ran ACT 3 Ciggarc profil
They used Trinity
They botted 24/7.
Main account had 3100+ hours >.<
All on same pc/IP

It was CLEAR that I botted! yet I have never been ban untill now. That halo heat spots is kinda stupid. If it was that I would have been ban months ago.
 
Hawker said:
In my opinion, there are not enough bans for it to be purely software detection. But please bear with us - we will post back when we have a better idea of where we stand.
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Not saying that is the case but it is not unusual for blizzard to not ban everyone who's using a detected software. I botted diablo2 on a mass scale since early v1.09 - there were quite a few software detection bans (d2jsp, d2loader) and from my experience and from what people posted on different forum boards, a big chunk of detected users were not banned for some reason. During the D2Loader ban 40% of my accounts were not banned even though they've been using that program for years till right before the banweave. Is it because the scan method they use isn't 100% reliable, is it because they didn't want to ban that many people, I do not know. My point is that the fact there are some survivors doesn't mean it is not a software ban. This theory is supported by the fact that people who have been using the bot just for some hours before the last maintenance were still banned, one of my newly started bots included that has been running only for a day prior to the ban. That cannot be a pattern detection, one day cannot prove blizzard you use botting patterns, otherwise we would see a mass scale of legit people who usually run act3 for many hours over the weekend banned.
 
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The case when your char got a ban with only 1 day botting time doesn't imply that they detected the bot software. It could be the case that your char was connected with other bots with a common mule account, or they all shared the same IP... or smth else. That could be the reason.
 
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