Blizzard ILLEGALLY checking our system

[gibbrichards]

if its being done by the client we can see it. there's no evidence to support that the D3 client is scanning for demonbuddy.

What about this but what about this. It starts automatically when you start D3, yet doesn't close after it starts(i've bypassed the launcher btw) and apparently doesn't close for 2-3 min after you close d3. While D3 itself may not be the culprit, would this program be possible culprit? The program is also not nessesary to be running while D3 is open.

 

[Zeewolf]

Anyone else find it annoying when new kids come to the party and are like ZOMG THEY CAN SCAN YOUR SYSTEM AND FIND YOUR BOTS, HORSE PORN AND THE PICS YOU TOOK OF YOUR SISTER IN THE SHOWER

EULA agreements are unenforceable crap. Blizzard DID indeed use warden to scan processes once upon a time and you know what happened, they stopped because it was an invasion of privacy and they didn't want to deal with getting sued and the massive negative backlash from it, since then there have been things like the class action lawsuit against sony for their installing rootkits on peoples PCs and these companies know they cant just get away with it

If you new idiots need evidence of this, take a look at THIS article from 2005 on the BBC when it ended up in the mainstream media and blizzard were getting a lot of negative press on wardens abilities BBC NEWS | Technology | Warcraft game maker in spying row

 

[CodenameG]

apoc and nesox are the 2 best people we have that have spent years working blizzard games, we know what they (the game clients) are capable of and again this isnt a software detection ban.

 

[Serby]

And back to tinfoil hats.

Blizz would NEVER do this. Imagen the lawsuits!

What lawsuits, You agree'd to allow them to do it, maybe you should have read the TOS Before you agree'd.
It's as good as a contract.

 

[Malen]

You gave them permission by accepting the EULA. You accepted the EULA on your own decision.

So if you signed a contract saying your brother has permission to kill you, that makes it legal? You're a fucking idiot.

 

[ritesxxx]

I know the main argument is it cant be detected and it must be a server side thing and catching people incertain patterns. How do you explain the people that got banned using private profiles that dont have the same routes and kill sequences as say the well known profiles such as big red and such?

 

[CodenameG]

I know the main argument is it cant be detected and it must be a server side thing and catching people incertain patterns. How do you explain the people that got banned using private profiles that dont have the same routes and kill sequences as say the well known profiles such as big red and such?

just because its private dosnt mean that a program setup to recognized patterns over so many games couldn't cause it to catch. lots of people who pay for private profiles tend to run a lot of bots over a long period, its very possible.

 

[Valen]

I know the main argument is it cant be detected and it must be a server side thing and catching people incertain patterns. How do you explain the people that got banned using private profiles that dont have the same routes and kill sequences as say the well known profiles such as big red and such?

they do have the same routes. for every bot that is using it. even if it's just one computer, same route

 

[gibbrichards]

Anyone else find it annoying when new kids come to the party and are like ZOMG THEY CAN SCAN YOUR SYSTEM AND FIND YOUR BOTS, HORSE PORN AND THE PICS YOU TOOK OF YOUR SISTER IN THE SHOWER

EULA agreements are unenforceable crap. Blizzard DID indeed use warden to scan processes once upon a time and you know what happened, they stopped because it was an invasion of privacy and they didn't want to deal with getting sued and the massive negative backlash from it, since then there have been things like the class action lawsuit against sony for their installing rootkits on peoples PCs and these companies know they cant just get away with it

If you new idiots need evidence of this, take a look at THIS article from 2005 on the BBC when it ended up in the mainstream media and blizzard were getting a lot of negative press on wardens abilities BBC NEWS | Technology | Warcraft game maker in spying row

Could you rather post a link actually stating that they STOPPED using Warden before calling all of us idiots? Just cause it's not popular with the community doesn't mean it isn't used. The article that you linked never states they took it out of the system, but rather gave more detail on how it worked(ie said it scanned RAM for known dll's etc for bots, but doesn't scan your harddrive). It'll look at what you got up and running, but won't look at where it's located, etc. I've looked and have yet to find a post on any of bliz's sites or other source with a actual statement from them saying that they stopped using it. If you can link that, i'll retract this entirely. From what i've found, they use Warden to scan your RAM. They are pretty open about it to, and anyone who complains is simply replied with either 1. You agreed by terms of the blah blah and/or 2. Don't agree to conditions, you don't get to play.
Movie stores still do this(if any are left of the original ones, few still in my state), they take down your ID, SS#, etc etc.. for you to rent a movie. The movie isn't yours, you are "borrowing" it. People can jump up and down and claim it's illegal, but it's not. Don't want to give out personal info, don't fill out the paperwork, don't rent the movie. That simple. We don't own D3, we bought access.
And I wasn't stating that they scan your harddrive and why anyone has horse porn or pics of their sister is beyond me and not my problem. Merely finding it curious that a program not needed to actually run D3, runs in the background, even after D3 is closed was ever considered to carry such a program.

 

[Metaxer]

\Diablo III\InspectorReporter\BlizzardError.exe is scaning us

 

[CodenameG]

all the information that's publicly available on warden is no longer valid. the only people who truly know what warden is capable of are people who know enough to disassemble it and reverse what its doing and capable of. luckily for us, we have the best people in the world (yes im willing to bet world) to handle it and keep us and our products safe from warden and software based detection methods.

 

[blista08]

I hope this "Rumor" is not related to a conversation we were having about the legal consequences if Blizzard/Activision did violate Bossland GmbH's EULA/TOS...

 

[CodenameG]

I hope this "Rumor" is not related to a conversation we were having about the legal consequences if Blizzard/Activision did violate Bossland GmbH's EULA/TOS...

if there are, it would only be between us (Bossland GmbH) and Blizzard, not our users. just because apple and Samsung sued each-other it didn't mean that people who bought iphones would need to return them. its pretty much the same thing here.

thread closed, i think more then enough information has been provided by both sides.