Developer Rules Update

[greaterdeath]

I had some problems in the past for posting improvements in two CC 'ILoveAnimals from handnavi'

Look forward to trying them out & hope there's some feral cat pvp in there!

Sorry mr. But I think ill stick with Handnavi's releases however awesome "your" releases is. Thank you.

I used to use ILA@singular and it was *fantastic*, I was sorry to learn he wasn't going to update it anymore. Original ILA was archived back in January because he no longer had time to update it. Isn't this a prime example of how the community could benefit from this new rule? No disrespect intended towards Handnavi - I just missed his work and think it would be nice if it can be resurrected.

 

[weischbier]

He's working on a standalone CC and you can get it from his svn. it atm just not published on the forum.

greetz

Weischbier

 

[greaterdeath]

He's working on a standalone CC and you can get it from his svn. it atm just not published on the forum.
greetz
Weischbier

Thank you; upon HB startup w/Junglebook: your toon is not level 85. Stopping.
I have approximately 16 feral cats to level 80-85, all are at lvl 83 now. FPSware is out of the question, and I have barely been getting by with singular. There is *nothing* else.

 

[Croga]

Thank you; upon HB startup w/Junglebook: your toon is not level 85. Stopping.
I have approximately 16 feral cats to level 80-85, all are at lvl 83 now. FPSware is out of the question, and I have barely been getting by with singular. There is *nothing* else.

Go bear, it's much more survivable and therefore much faster.

 

[Kronz]

You really haven't looked very hard then

http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb...er-intelligent-boomkin-class-lazy-raider.html
http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb...ngular-fire-mage-pvp-includes-spellsteal.html
http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb.../51190-plugin-bgbuddy-ultimate-pvp-suite.html

Just because he isn't in your personal known developer circlejerk doesn't mean that he doesn't develop. Additionally, your passive agressive attempt at trying to come off as more mature is moot. By stating "

as no serious, grown up, mature person is supposed to answer such comments", you are implying that he is neither serious, grown up, or mature and are equally at fault for playing the name calling game.

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1. I am a human being, so maybe I can make a mistake every now and then. My apologies to him, and thank you for correcting me.

2. OK so you are implying that calling someone "anally retentive" is a sign of maturity and serious attitude to the problem at hand ? I am not being "passive-aggressive", as on these forums people can obviously use way more direct approach in their communication with each other. I am merely expressing disagreement with his vulgar language mixed with otherwise what appears to be an attempt of a serious comment on a serious issue. Please do explain to me how calling people "anally retentive" solves anything or helps the current situation.

3. Just look what I found in his latest thread about some BGBuddy PVP Suite

He talks against people trying to "make a buck" on their code and proceeds to explain how sharing drives this community, but look at his own plugin thread. Very different than his theories about sharing and freedom in this thread. What is he going to say, when somebody takes his basic code and then adds to it his own improvements, which will do the same job his "donator only" functionality will be doing ? What is his response going to be ?

 

[Kronz]

Hi Kronz, CLU is still active. I haven't gone anywhere, I will be here supporting the community for quite a while

Lots of love to you, Wulf! Awesome! Thank you so very much!

 

[SpigotStyle]

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2. OK so you are implying that calling someone "anally retentive" is a sign of maturity and serious attitude to the problem at hand ? I am not being "passive-aggressive", as on these forums people can obviously use way more direct approach in their communication with each other. I am merely expressing disagreement with his vulgar language mixed with otherwise what appears to be an attempt of a serious comment on a serious issue. Please do explain to me how calling people "anally retentive" solves anything or helps the current situation."

No, actually I was saying that by implying that he is neither mature nor rational, you were stooping to his level anyway so your screed was moot and you yourself are being neither mature or rational as you claim.

As far as him asking for donations and how he will respond, I really don't know or care. All I did was point out that by coming to the defense of the developers that you are siding with, you are further entrenching the still back and forth that is going on over a change that is not going to be undone. ​

 

[Kronz]

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No, actually I was saying that by implying that he is neither mature nor rational, you were stooping to his level anyway so your screed was moot and you yourself are being neither mature or rational as you claim.
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No point arguing with you. Believe what you want and see how much I care. I don't have to prove myself to you.

All I did was point out that by coming to the defense of the developers that you are siding with, you are further entrenching the still back and forth that is going on over a change that is not going to be undone.

It's not going to be undone because you say so ? Nice you don't get to decide these things, then.

You may, or may not have noticed the developers involved in this are pretty much all developers we rely on. We don't have more developers. We don't have alternatives. We can't just say "yeah k bye thx" and move on. I didn't start this, I just came one day to see if someone has come up with anything new to make my life easier and I see developers pulling down pretty much everything from the forums. Yes, the community depends on them. Yes, it's a dumb idea to piss them off. No, we don't have anyone to replace them.

I am defending the interests of the community and I believe it is against our interests to lose the people who feed us freebies we need. You side with the script kiddies and see how long they will be able to keep supporting and rehashing the old original code they don't even understand before everything comes to a halt. See what quality their code will be. Hell, we don't even have script kiddies. Look around. You can see two categories of people here. Users who use the stuff and developers who develop it. When the developers go away, who are you going to leech from ?

 

[SpigotStyle]

No point arguing with you. Believe what you want and see how much I care. I don't have to prove myself to you.



I am defending the interests of the community and I believe it is against our interests to lose the people who feed us freebies we need. You side with the script kiddies and see how long they will be able to keep supporting and rehashing the old original code they don't even understand before everything comes to a halt. See what quality their code will be. Hell, we don't even have script kiddies. Look around. You can see two categories of people here. Users who use the stuff and developers who develop it. When the developers go away, who are you going to leech from ?

I think you are mistaken, I haven't taken a side. Just pointing out hypocrisy. And as far as "seeing how much you care", you obviously keep responding.

Call me a leech if you want. I sure as hell have probably donated to more of the developers than you have, I just choose to do so anonymously because I could care less about getting recognition. I'm just sick of people throwing stones without even thinking about who they are throwing them at.

 

[Kronz]

And as far as "seeing how much you care", you obviously keep responding.

You sir, are obviously a troll. Farewell, I am not going to bother.

 

[Soff7fan]

You sir, are obviously a troll. Farewell, I am not going to bother.

Just because he pointed out a lapse in your logic doesn't make him a troll.... Anyways, great change, completely sensible to me. I am new to the HB community, so I was unaware this wasn't already in place, but this seems fairly common in all botting communities I've been in, and this is an environment where the 'players' are always changing, and it's much more efficient for newer 'players' to work off the old (Ex. I'm looking to see how to add one line of code to a CC, and that one line alone makes it completely afk-able again). I've never truly understood this need for complete, and utter control over code/credit, and before you accuse me of being a script-kiddie, which I undoubtedly am. There is many different forms of creation than hacking that involve credit, and copyright... Don't need to be a professional coder to understand the nuances of ownership, and their may be times where the proverb "Give a man a fish, and he'll be full for a day, teach a man to fish, and he'll never be hungry again" is apt, but this is an age where almost every person owns a computer, and I'm sure 99% of them do not have the intention to fully devote to learning programming. That's why those that do, usually profit from it .

 

[SpigotStyle]

You sir, are obviously a troll. Farewell, I am not going to bother.

Actually, the only trollish behavior here is you attacking someone ad hominem. But I digress, and you obviously are done with this discussion and it can finally get back on track. Auf Wiedersehen.

 

[nate8282]

I like the idea of the change, however i think it may be too broad. There needs to be alittle less leeway when it comes to using someone's code, that way it's not abused. I myself am not really a developer. I have recently taken HighVoltz multiprofile and changed a few things to it in order to take it in a different direction, luckily in my case HighVoltz was very nice and gave me permission, but if someone did the same thing as i did without permission, i would consider it dishonest, especially in a case like mine were i deleted 1/3 of the code i didn't need and only added about 20% more, it still largely someone elses.

 

[punisher775]

Im kind of on the fence about this. But yeah, its not a bad change, now maybe someone will update ezunholy without asking for thousands of dollars in donation. Someone get to it.

 

[Altoids]

Whoa... I step away from the forum and the game for awhile and all hell breaks loose!

Honestly, I understand why HB thought this was a good idea, but at the same time, I think the change is 100% a bad idea and will HUGELY hurt the HB product. Most developers will simply not put hundreds or thousands of hours into creating their CC, plugin or even profile when someone could then change ONE line and say 'thanks to so-and-so for some of the code'... I mean really... who would?

It would be great for HB if they could get a bunch of devs to agree with it but it looks like much of the current talent is gone, packing their bags or just not putting the priority into their work that they did - after all, if they do someone could just take it and rename it and give them a 'thanks'. And when someone then 'borrows' the code from that 2nd person - who will get named as the author? If that 3rd person did their research, they would 'thank both', but honestly... how many will just name the 2nd person who did a few minor edits?

In the end, I can only see this working if HB can attract a new batch of good developers. Ones that weren't here when the old rules were in effect and accept the new ways. It's a shame too cause there appears to be a loss of many talented folks.

Just my .02 worth... feel free to ignore.

 

[Toney001]

Oh I had forgotten about this thread... It's been what? Two weeks already?

Did anyone "steal" anything yet? I don't think so

 

[buzzerbeater]

Oh I had forgotten about this thread... It's been what? Two weeks already?

Did anyone "steal" anything yet? I don't think so

There was one thing. Something with a chest looter plugin bla bla.

But yeah, nothing happens, no downsides in this other then people running away because of what? The RISK of getting copied?

 

[NickV]

I dabble in coding. If I want a cc to do something different, I general try to change it myself. If I get it to work, I'll make a request to the author to update it. Then when they release a new version, I don't need to edit it again. If they don't, then I'm stuck doing it myself or not getting their latest updates. Why the hell would I claim it as my own work?
All this will take is to create subforums. WIP, no-tested, non-original projects go in seperate subforum until they meet the standards and approval of solid work. Then if someone adds in a minor tweak to someone else project, it can sit in the WIP forum forever. The original author can add in the tweak to his work or not. /shrug

 

[toblakai]

Oh I had forgotten about this thread... It's been what? Two weeks already?

Did anyone "steal" anything yet? I don't think so

There is that, but there is also several very skilled developers that are gone / have stopped publishing, and many plugins are archived.

 

[Tony]

There is that, but there is also several very skilled developers that are gone / have stopped publishing, and many plugins are archived.

examples?