Developer Rules Update

[joeverton]

Thanks wownerds, can you let me know where or how we will be able to access it and the v3 version , would also like to know if the donate button is still functional on the original thread ?
regards

 

[wownerds]

Thanks wownerds, can you let me know where or how we will be able to access it and the v3 version , would also like to know if the donate button is still functional on the original thread ?
regards

I will & yes, the button still works.

 

[Obliv]

I am indeed referring to the dunatank CC which was by far the best warrior cc on the site. It is sorely missed and it pisses me off that it was withdrawn due to forum rules and regulations that were and are quite frankly ludricous beurocratc Bull S*** with little or no thought or reasoning behind them. Come Back Dunatank we need you

If you like that CC, contact the dev and ask them to send it to you. You're ranting about a decision that was made final over a month ago. Developers had, and continue to have, nothing to worry about. Their CCs won't get taken, and haven't gotten taken. If they don't want to post on the forum, you should ask for the CC directly from them.

 

[Croga]

I am indeed referring to the dunatank CC which was by far the best warrior cc on the site. It is sorely missed and it pisses me off that it was withdrawn due to forum rules and regulations that were and are quite frankly ludricous beurocratc Bull S*** with little or no thought or reasoning behind them. Come Back Dunatank we need you

One CC was lost, thousands of opportunities have opened up.
Strangely enough, this is most notable on the SWTOR part of our forums where stuff is actually being developed in cooperation between just about everyone. Everyone is posting combat rotations, snippets of code, pieces of profiles and everyone is integrating it into their CCs, plugins, profiles. The feeling that people are working together to make things better for everyone is much, much stronger than it ever was on the HB part of the forums. And all that because the mods made a good decission as to the forum rules.
I say that's worth losing one CC over.

 

[primo]

and i must say : duna tank is the BEST cc out there i'm still using it, and i do a ageed with the bull shitt here with the stupid rules they put in, and ofc i dont agree with Croga at all

 

[Apoc]

and i must say : duna tank is the BEST cc out there i'm still using it, and i do a ageed with the bull shitt here with the stupid rules they put in, and ofc i dont agree with Croga at all

Thats just your opinion. We made the change to combat the egotists not wanting to share any of their code, which does nothing but hurt the community as a whole. If we lose 1-2 CCs/Plugins, so be it. More will come in the future that won't cause a ton of headaches for users, and for us. If people didn't learn how to share in Kindergarten, there isn't a whole lot we can do to help.

As Croga said, since we made the rule change, there hasn't been any real cases of people stealing code. Etc. All the rule change does, is protect people wanting to make new projects, using another as a base. (Some of the developers here have some really nice code, so why reinvent the wheel?) If the developers can't handle having parts of their code reused, then that's up to them. Its as simple as that.

 

[joeverton]

So Expressing an opinion now is Ranting because you dont agree with Obliv? Thought that was the whole basis of a forum and as for contacting them directly , i have bit the point is is that the forum was designed as platform for developers to express and disply their work moderators are there to help this process run smoothly not interfere in some narcisistic expression of their own self importance.Its our site not the moderators and rules implemented to limit our free expression on this site can and will only ever be a BAD idea. so rant on that matey

 

[Croga]

So Expressing an opinion now is Ranting because you dont agree with Obliv? Thought that was the whole basis of a forum and as for contacting them directly , i have bit the point is is that the forum was designed as platform for developers to express and disply their work moderators are there to help this process run smoothly not interfere in some narcisistic expression of their own self importance.Its our site not the moderators and rules implemented to limit our free expression on this site can and will only ever be a BAD idea. so rant on that matey

1. No, it's not "our site". It's Bossland's site and he can do with it as he damn well pleases. This isn't a democracy, it's a benevolent dictatorship.
2. It's not the moderators that are narcisistic. It's the developers that think they are so unique that they don't want someone else to improve upon their stuff that are narcisistic.
3. The new rules do not limit our expressions. If anything, they enable us to express ourselves even more since we're not limited by the narcisism of those developers that think they are above the crowd.

Sorry mate but yoou haven't understood any of what was and is going on. Also; whether it be the old rules or the new ones, it damn sure doesn't limit you since you're not a developer.

 

[hbaioni]

One CC was lost, thousands of opportunities have opened up.
Strangely enough, this is most notable on the SWTOR part of our forums where stuff is actually being developed in cooperation between just about everyone. Everyone is posting combat rotations, snippets of code, pieces of profiles and everyone is integrating it into their CCs, plugins, profiles. The feeling that people are working together to make things better for everyone is much, much stronger than it ever was on the HB part of the forums. And all that because the mods made a good decission as to the forum rules.
I say that's worth losing one CC over.

One CC? Count again! Fpsware is gone, Mastagh is gone. They are both GREAT developers, and they have developed MANY CC, not just one. You're talking about Dunatank, but you forgot about other people. Just check out the CC sub-forum... Do you see MORE CC? Or LESS CC?
This "oportunity" you're talking about is sinking us at the bottom of the ocean! We have less things (both in quantity and quality) to choose from. Moreover, there are some developers that remained here, but they are no longer supporting their projects. How many active developers do you see nowadays? it is a lose/lose scenario for everybody. I agree with the user who said that this is bureaucratic Bull S***
And yes, contrary to what you think, this is limiting us ALL, both developers and users. It limits our ability to CHOOSE. Perhaps we just need to set the forum somewhere else, and just buy the bot here...

 

[Croga]

Fpsware is gone

Not true. He's still here. He just hasn't updated his project lately since it's a HUGE project.

Mastagh is gone.

No offense but.... Never heard of him and can't find any of his work on the forums. Apparently he wasn't all that important since I haven't heard anyone else talk about him leaving.

I don't mind people complaining as long as they stick to the facts instead of just whining and nagging about stuff that hasn't happened nor is going to happen.
Using hyperboles like "sinking us to the bottom of the ocean" is useless as well. I personally am still running 4 bots 16*7 going strong without noticing any loss of developers, heck I am already benefitting heavily from the new rules with the BuddyWing bot. I'm sure I'm not unique in this.

 

[Obliv]

Mastahg was responsible for the EZPvP CCs. However, he's working w/ HB right now.. so I wouldn't consider that "gone" by any means.

 

[Croga]

Mastahg was responsible for the EZPvP CCs. However, he's working w/ HB right now.. so I wouldn't consider that "gone" by any means.

Then I do stand corrected; I have heard of him. The rest of my story still holds true though; one CC versus umpty extra layers of freedom. That's worth it in anyone's book.

 

[Ama]

Is anyone able to access any of the files in archived threads? When I try to download any of them, it always says I don't have permission.

 

[laria]

Moderators are able to, the average user isn't

 

[Kronz]

one CC versus umpty extra layers of freedom. That's worth it in anyone's book.

EZPvP wasn't just a single CC, it was a series of CC's for various classes.

Freedom is choice, if you don't have the ability to choose, you are not really free.

 

[Croga]

EZPvP wasn't just a single CC, it was a series of CC's for various classes.
Freedom is choice, if you don't have the ability to choose, you are not really free.

And you're still free to chose those CCs since Mastagh didn't quit.....

 

[Kronz]

And you're still free to chose those CCs since Mastagh didn't quit.....

No point arguing with someone who denies everything like it hasn't happened.

Look at the forums. We aren't getting more stuff, on the contrary, more and more CC forums are getting even more empty, to a point where there is no use to keep those boards.

Did the change help ? No, it did not. Maybe it was beneficial to Buddywing, but it certainly hurt the HB community, where things are, surprisingly, kind of different.

Really, the fact that the other software products don't allow stuff to be borrowed, shouldn't deter any real developer from developing his own stuff, and finding better ways of doing it rather than simple copy-pasta of code snippets from all other CC's. Serious developers don't employ such practices to begin with, only script kiddies do it, and the results are always horrible, since they just stitch code they don't completely understand together, and it runs slower, with more errors, delays, bugs and imperfections. Such products typically inherit all the bugs of their parent products and add them to their own.

Truth is this change should not have been global to all forums, but just to Buddywing and maybe the other bots. Development of CC's for WoW is a job beyond the capabilities of script kiddies.

 

[Croga]

Serious developers don't employ such practices to begin with,

Sorry mate but I seriously ROFLed over that statement.

Serious developers take whatever code is already available and use it to it's fullest potential since coding something that was already coded before is bad business and throwing away money. Why do you think there are so many class-libraries? Because no one wants to redo work that has already been done before.

Seriously mate; stating that all coders will always write their own stuff rather than reuse what is already available shows a total, utter and complete lack of understanding of coding. I've been coding for almost 30 years now and have always started a new project by searching what has already been done and reusing that. There's a good reason why my first nickname was "gosub".

Truth is this change should not have been global to all forums, but just to Buddywing and maybe the other bots. Development of CC's for WoW is a job beyond the capabilities of script kiddies.

So errrr...... I think I'm pretty safe in assuming that you haven't seen BW at all. Writing profiles for BW is a much more daunting task than for HB. CCs for BW aren't any different from HB and plugins, again, are much more elaborate.

I'm not denying anything, I'm just saying that any and all examples given in this thread have been proven false. I haven't seen one example that actually held some truth. All I've seen is baseless complaints from people that don't show any insight or experience in the matter.

 

[tylerfoster]

If I spend several weeks with countless late nights and every spare moment of my weekend developing a project; as soon as I release it anyone can come along and copy my entire project, change a few (or more) lines of code relabel it and call it whatever they want as long as they give the original developer credit?

Case in point, DayWalker this is my Warlock CC that has been taken without my permission and has been renamed and rebranded to appear as though it were from another developer. Previous to today the only acknowledgement of my work was a simple statement saying some parts of the code where by Fpsware. When in actual fact the entire project is by me and he has made some modifications.

So to surmise ... There is no longer a requirement for the original developer to grant permission to allow someone to use their code or entire project? As long as someone gives credit to the original developer they have carte blanche to do what they want with the code or the entire project?


EDIT: added case in point.

I just want to say that although I can understand why you are angry at this developer, your code by far is the most impressive I have seen. Most of the code you hand wrote has been implemented into the HB references these days..however having those functions hand coded shows how long you have been developing these CC's. Developers should respect that and I am sorry they don't. I really do wish there was a way to release them as a dll file, but I do believe that is against the rules nor am I sure HB could read them. Your code is what has helped me understand how everything works. I am working on my own CC and I really like your Timers which is the only thing I have implemented into my own code and will probably change that before I actually share them for now it works to accomplish some of the timer tasks I needed. You have great functions, but I am writing my own function and writing them in my own unique way, there truely are a dozen ways or more to accomplish the same task and to copy is pure laziness and sad. I just want to say I appreciate your hard work and the ability to read your code.