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[PAID] [Warlock] Demonic - An Advanced Honorbuddy Warlock Routine [PvE/PvP]

ryshu said:
Almost every 25m raid has at least a second warlock - dunno for pvp tho
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I dont even take 25 man raiding serious, soz. Its raiding the lazy way for me. So i automatically assumed it was 10 man.

My fault.
 
There's a confirmed bug in the latest drop of Honorbuddy causing these issues (the GUID isn't registering on auras as detecting that it's ours being cast. Works fine if you're the only warlock, but another warlock being in the raid/party/BG will break it). The devs are aware and have found the issue - they're looking into fixing it. All credits to Xcesius for finding the bug! Give the guy some +rep please!
 
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Millz said:
There's a confirmed bug in the latest drop of Honorbuddy causing these issues (the GUID isn't registering on auras as detecting that it's ours being cast. Works fine if you're the only warlock, but another warlock being in the raid/party/BG will break it). The devs are aware and have found the issue - they're looking into fixing it. All credits to Xcesius for finding the bug! Give the guy some +rep please!
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as said, its only when a second warlock is present. And most bugs dont share this HB bug,imo xp.

rep given, still wondering why last fix killed it even more :(
 
Kasamaka said:
Tbh i agree, am using this day one , and using millz SP and mage one aswell, but problem that i see is that millz doesn't really raid or play much, so i think if he did things will be solved and getting up to top faster. pushing things to the right spot is going very slow. we get a new update per day test it and still same. that means there isn't much test happening before pushing them. i know his busy and he got his own life. but i said that and keep saying it : if you can ask for monthly fee for this , il be the first to pay. i just need a perfect CC in all specs. tbh am very sad and don't know what to do :(
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This post is ridiculous.

You've no idea how much I raid or play. You're correct in saying I don't raid at a heroic level, because 99% of the time I spend in game is testing code changes (and making bug fixes) - If I was raiding heroics, then Demonic wouldn't be as good as it is. I spend hours upon hours testing changes over and over again.. watching videos, reading log files - all to try and improve the DPS.

*Edit* I'll also add, that I'm a massive elitist. I probably want this to work more than the majority of you guys do.

webhond said:
as said, its only when a second warlock is present. And most bugs dont share this HB bug,imo xp.

rep given, still wondering why last fix killed it even more :(
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The log file doesn't show anything - and the description doesn't help:

swapping is off by a mile

then 3 then 4 then 2 and MF nt working correct.
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Why is swapping off by a mile?

Why does MG not work?

MG will cast, cancel, and swap. That's how you extend dots to stop from needing to waste shards on keep re-applying them, and being able to use shards on casting haunt to do 35% extra damage.
 
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Acronia said:
Using build 734, 736: All results are gained from a PvP enviroment, or testing on the stormwind dummies.

Destruction:
Destro works fine using this build.

Affliction:
Affliction doesn't work at all if paired with another warlock. Just spams spells on one target.
Doesn't life-tap. If it does life-tap, the routine stops dotting and you must manually intervene to get it to start dotting again.
Seed of corruption doesn't work in a PvP enviroment. Only uses Seed of Corruption if Mannoroth's Fury has been activated.
When Mannoroth's Fury has been activated the routine doesn't always start casting Seed of Corruption right away, wasting precious seconds of MF.
When Mannoroth's Fury has been activated the routine sometimes double casts Seed of Corruption correctly, but then pauses before or after Soul Swap Inhaling/Exhaling.

Using the latest Honorbuddy build

Destruction:
Destro is completely broken, simply spams immolate and curse of elements. Doesn't try to immolate targets around the currently selected one.

Affliction:
Affliction works much better with this build.
Grouping with another warlock does not stop the routine from carrying out its normal rotation.
Life-tap works slightly better in this routine, in the sense that it is still rarely cast but when it does cast Life-Tap the routine keeps on going.
Seed of Corruption logic seems to be handled better in this build, but it still has the same pauses as mentioned earlier. This wastes precious seconds of Mannoroth's Fury.
The AoE function of the routine does not work in PvP with this build either. The routine will only cast seed when MF is popped, completely ignoring any values set within the 'Switch to high aoe at unit count = x' part of the routine.

Issues in regards to the routine itself

When receiving a buff to our stats through trinkets, enchants, procs or Dark Soul, the routine does not attempt to SB:SS to apply these stronger dots. It simply ignores whatever is happening and continues to Soul Swap inhale and exhale.
Nor does it try to hard cast the DoTs even though they are substantially stronger. This is something I noticed within both builds. Obviously a huge issue as we are missing out on a massive dps increase.

Mannoroth's Fury isn't being utilized to its full potential, I say this because I recently realized that Mannoroth's Fury is a dynamic ability. What I mean by this is that it scales the power and range of Seed of Corruption the moment it is used. So if you use Seed of corruption twice and then inhale it and spread, along with using MF somewhere in between that time frame the seeds that were cast before it was used still get powered up. This is a big deal in my opinion because it saves the warlock from wasting 3 seconds of MF by simply casting the double seeds first, and then using MF. This will result in being able to Soul Swap super strong seeds for the entire 10 sec duration of MF. Instead of 6-7 seconds as it stands now, because we are wasting time casting it whilst MF is up. Just to let you know MF is OFF the GCD, so you can use it combination with other abilities at exactly the same time.

I hope this helped in anyway Millz. I really hope to see your routine handling affliction the way it used too or maybe even better.
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Thanks for the post. This is a great write up.

The routine should be re-applying DoTs using SB:SS when buffs in the aura list become active. Ensure that Soul Swap is ticked for the buffs that it's not reacting to.

AoE function not working -> This with the latest Demonic build? Make sure you stick with an older HB build for now.

Life Tap has a lot of calculations behind when it should cast. It shouldn't go out of mana at all, but it may wait until you're low mana before casting.

Double SoCing -> Is it the standard or SB:SoC that it's double casting?

I'll need to look into changing SoC / Mannoroth's to make it only cast MF after it's got a valid 2x SoC + DoTs unit. I'll need to re-code quite a lot of stuff to make this happen, so it'll take a few days at least as a guess.
 
Millz said:
This post is ridiculous.

You've no idea how much I raid or play. You're correct in saying I don't raid at a heroic level, because 99% of the time I spend in game is testing code changes (and making bug fixes) - If I was raiding heroics, then Demonic wouldn't be as good as it is. I spend hours upon hours testing changes over and over again.. watching videos, reading log files - all to try and improve the DPS.



The log file doesn't show anything - and the description doesn't help:



Why is swapping off by a mile?

Why does MG not work?

MG will cast, cancel, and swap. That's how you extend dots to stop from needing to waste shards on keep re-applying them, and being able to use shards on casting haunt to do 35% extra damage.
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you keep saying this and tbh im getting kinda tired of it.

You see the log, it does show exact what im saying no? Cause im writing it as i see the bot doing it.

If not, then the logging prolly needs to changed, cause if you dont see what im typing, it aint loggin it.

The problems, as described,are here for ages, and with every update something new occures.

It aint me, im running no addons,clean install and no crap whatsoever and it aint working.

And as started before, it is not only me with these issues.

Swapped to pve settings to test aff on dummy and it swaps between 2 and 3 seven ( 7 ) times before it takes 1 and4 into
consideration.

With the last update when popping Manor F it spams4 time soc and does nothign with it.

If you dont see in the logs what im stating,then i give up and this one goes in retirement.

I gave enough descr and logs lately to help, if it aint helping imustbedoingitwrong


So if YOU go AFFL now,and test on dummy in vale popping man fury it aint buggin?

Try it,cause if not, i give up.

Latest update and latest build, no warlock present.
 
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webhond said:
you keep saying this and tbh im getting kinda tired of it.

You see the log, it does show exact what im saying no? Cause im writing it as i see the bot doing it.

If not, then the logging prolly needs to changed, cause if you dont see what im typing, it aint loggin it.

The problems, as described,are here for ages, and with every update something new occures.

It aint me, im running no addons,clean install and no crap whatsoever and it aint working.

And as started before, it is not only me with these issues.

Swapped to pve settings to test aff on dummy and it swaps between 2 and 3 seven ( 7 ) times before it takes 1 and4 into
consideration.

With the last update when popping Manor F it spams4 time soc and does nothign with it.

If you dont see in the logs what im stating,then i give up and this one goes in retirement.

I gave enough descr and logs lately to help, if it aint helping imustbedoingitwrong


So if YOU go AFFL now,and test on dummy in vale popping man fury it aint buggin?

Try it,cause if not, i give up.

Latest update and latest build, no warlock present.
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Okay, so it's bugging with Mannoroth's and SoC, not just soul swapping in general. That's pretty critical info. I'll look into it.
 
Sounds like some progress is being made. I have 25 heroic raid in a few hours. So to confirm:

Use 734 build and latest update from SVN.
Do NOT try affliction yet - it still needs work.

Is this correct?
 
lve2raft said:
Sounds like some progress is being made. I have 25 heroic raid in a few hours. So to confirm:

Use 734 build and latest update from SVN.
Do NOT try affliction yet - it still needs work.

Is this correct?
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You can use affliction it's not that bad but some other warlock may outplay you.
Also Millz plz look after the "Pause on non movement key stops the routine bug" this is pretty critical in
heroic where you don't want to press a manual cast (teleport) twenty times until youre faster than the
routine starting a new cast
 
Millz said:
Thanks for the post. This is a great write up.

The routine should be re-applying DoTs using SB:SS when buffs in the aura list become active. Ensure that Soul Swap is ticked for the buffs that it's not reacting to.

AoE function not working -> This with the latest Demonic build? Make sure you stick with an older HB build for now.

Life Tap has a lot of calculations behind when it should cast. It shouldn't go out of mana at all, but it may wait until you're low mana before casting.

Double SoCing -> Is it the standard or SB:SoC that it's double casting?

I'll need to look into changing SoC / Mannoroth's to make it only cast MF after it's got a valid 2x SoC + DoTs unit. I'll need to re-code quite a lot of stuff to make this happen, so it'll take a few days at least as a guess.
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Thanks for the response Millz. I'd like to say something first, I noticed a moderator said that HB isnt working properly with debuffs or something, but the latest release of honorbuddy actually works fine with another warlock in the party? Atleast from my testing, I got my friend to party with me and dps the dummies as an affliction warlock and the routine did its job fine.

Anyway moving back to what you said:

1. I have checked the boxes in all the buffs that are relevant to me and the routine just ignores it. It doesn't refresh dots at all. I even waited till every proc + dark soul and trinket were up and it just ignored it.

2. AoE function doesn't work with either builds, the older ones and the new ones. It works on the dummies sure. But in PvP when the units in range exceed the amount set it doesn't start using seed of corruption. Only works when I pop MF.

3. The life tap function works, sometimes. I let the routine fall below 50k mana 5 times, twice it life-tapped back to good mana levels. 3 times it just waited to manually regen mana and go oom again shortly after.

4. I'm not sure what point of mine you were adressing with the Double SoC comment? Sorry, I seem to have got confused at this point. Please clarify for me.


Lastly, please note that this is all on the latest release of honorbuddy because as I said I don't have problems with double warlocks on the latest build.

Would you like me to update to your latest update and try again Millz?
 
Just raided last night, unfortunately no log file, I know, noob. Here is what I observed though.

I did a fresh install of HB and demonic. I'm destruction, during the raid, it functioned pretty well. Every once in awhile it would do two immolates in a row then move on. Overall, very happy with the performance.

I did Ordos after the raid. It would incinerate then immolate and repeat the entire fight. When it got an ember, it would chaos bolt.

Hope this helps. I'll try and get a log file to you to be more helpful. And thank you for all your hard work. I love demonic.
 
lve2raft said:
Sounds like some progress is being made. I have 25 heroic raid in a few hours. So to confirm:

Use 734 build and latest update from SVN.
Do NOT try affliction yet - it still needs work.

Is this correct?
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Affliction works for PvE, has issues in PvP. Aff PvP is my focus today.

ryshu said:
You can use affliction it's not that bad but some other warlock may outplay you.
Also Millz plz look after the "Pause on non movement key stops the routine bug" this is pretty critical in
heroic where you don't want to press a manual cast (teleport) twenty times until youre faster than the
routine starting a new cast
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Have you got a log file for the manual cast pause issue (or can you re-link it to me if you've already provided one - sorry!) ?

I'm pretty sure it was working for me last night but will need to check.

Acronia said:
Thanks for the response Millz. I'd like to say something first, I noticed a moderator said that HB isnt working properly with debuffs or something, but the latest release of honorbuddy actually works fine with another warlock in the party? Atleast from my testing, I got my friend to party with me and dps the dummies as an affliction warlock and the routine did its job fine.

Anyway moving back to what you said:

1. I have checked the boxes in all the buffs that are relevant to me and the routine just ignores it. It doesn't refresh dots at all. I even waited till every proc + dark soul and trinket were up and it just ignored it.

2. AoE function doesn't work with either builds, the older ones and the new ones. It works on the dummies sure. But in PvP when the units in range exceed the amount set it doesn't start using seed of corruption. Only works when I pop MF.

3. The life tap function works, sometimes. I let the routine fall below 50k mana 5 times, twice it life-tapped back to good mana levels. 3 times it just waited to manually regen mana and go oom again shortly after.

4. I'm not sure what point of mine you were adressing with the Double SoC comment? Sorry, I seem to have got confused at this point. Please clarify for me.

Lastly, please note that this is all on the latest release of honorbuddy because as I said I don't have problems with double warlocks on the latest build.

Would you like me to update to your latest update and try again Millz?
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The newest build of HB definitely has issues, I'd avoid it to prevent issues.

1. I'll need a log for this one - it prints into the log when auras are active - so need to see if it's detecting them being active or not.

2. Looking into this one today.

3. I'll increase the priority again. Getting low mana is fine, but waiting for mana to regen is not.

4. We'll ignore this one for now :)

nousername said:
Just raided last night, unfortunately no log file, I know, noob. Here is what I observed though.

I did a fresh install of HB and demonic. I'm destruction, during the raid, it functioned pretty well. Every once in awhile it would do two immolates in a row then move on. Overall, very happy with the performance.

I did Ordos after the raid. It would incinerate then immolate and repeat the entire fight. When it got an ember, it would chaos bolt.

Hope this helps. I'll try and get a log file to you to be
more helpful. And thank you for all your hard work. I love demonic.
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Hey - There's an issue with the latest build of Honorbuddy.

Try this one: http://updates.buddyauth.com/GetSpecific?filter=Honorbuddy&build=734
 
In PvP as affliction it seems to use Mannoroths Fury when it's going to do mass AoE. But as far as I know Mannoroths fury effect is dynamic so it can be applied when lots of SoC are about to blow giving the maximum damage. Instead of just casting it when you are gonna start popping SoC (MF doesn't snapshot).
I've added a log of a BG match where I put the "mass AoE" value to something fairly low so you could see this in action.

Edit: Just realised you've mentioned fixing this on the previous page. Anyhow I hope the log helps
 

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karlsen said:
In PvP as affliction it seems to use Mannoroths Fury when it's going to do mass AoE. But as far as I know Mannoroths fury effect is dynamic so it can be applied when lots of SoC are about to blow giving the maximum damage. Instead of just casting it when you are gonna start popping SoC (MF doesn't snapshot).
I've added a log of a BG match where I put the "mass AoE" value to something fairly low so you could see this in action.

Edit: Just realised you've mentioned fixing this on the previous page. Anyhow I hope the log helps
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Yeah aware of this issue. I've pretty much re-wrote the high aoe rotation today. I'll need to test it when I get home tonight though to ensure it works.
 
am trying the Routine now with HB .734. In destro am still casting immolate but not as much as the new HB version. and also when my trinket procs and/or DS is up , i see am casting immolate , incarcerate even tho i have sometimes over 3 embers.
 
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