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TuanHA Paladin - The Ultimate Experience
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Use it manuell its much easier
Set "Stop CR for manuell cast" on 200 ms an klick Devotion aura if you and your healmates need this!
vaarsuvius
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Disable Attack out of Combat on the first page
Thank you
Haybale's Epic Holy Paladin Arena Guide:
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Warning:
This guide is based off of 522+ item lvl for PvP Arena. If you are going oom, please tone down your CR appropriately.
Stat Priority:
Intellect > Spirit > Mastery = Crit > Haste
Some Paladins choose to favor crit and some choose to favor mastery, but neither decision is wrong. I personally chose to go mastery.
Talents:
Speed of Light (Very important for getting to your dps after being CC'd to Africa and/or escaping from those double dps trains)
Evil is a Point of View (can go either of the other 2 options for this tier depending on what comp you play against/with)
Eternal Flame
Clemency
Divine Purpose
Holy Prism
Glyphs:
Blessed Life
Flash of Light
Glyph of Beacon of Light
Gear:
Buy all off-pieces of meditation.
Reforge: (Note: this section is only if you decide to go a Mastery Build)
Head: Spirit (from Crit)
Neck: Mastery (from Haste)
Shoulders: None
Back: Mastery (from Crit)
Chest: Mastery (from Haste)
Bracers: Mastery (from Crit)
Gloves: Mastery (from Haste)
Belt: Mastery (from Haste)
Legs: Spirit (from Crit)
Boots: None
Ring(Cruelty): Spirit (from Crit)
Ring(Meditation): Mastery (from Haste)
Gems:
Meta: Tyrannical Primal Diamond (or if not enough conquest go with Burning Primal Diamond)
Prismatic: Brilliant Primordial Ruby
Blue: Purified Imperial Amethyst
Red: Brilliant Primordial Ruby
Yellow: Potent Vermilion Onyx Misty Wild Jade
Enchants:
Shoulders: Enchant Greater Crane Wing Inscription
Cloak: Enchant Cloak Superior Intellect
Chest: Enchant Chest Glorious Stats or Enchant Chest Super Resilience (I went Super Resilience because that is what the top Holy Paladins run right now)
Bracers: Enchant Bracer Super Intellect
Gloves: Enchant Gloves Greater Haste
Belt: Enchant Living Steel Belt Buckle
Legs: Enchant Greater Cerulean Spellthread
Boots: Enchant Boots Pandarens Step
Main Hand: Enchant Weapon Jade Spirit
Off Hand: Enchant Offhand Major Intellect
CR Setup:
Healing Tips: I frequently get asked why Divine Light and Holy Light are not checked. This is because I have never EVER gone oom even in a full length arena match. Flash of Light is expensive, but completely worth it. Overall, you should be hiding behind pillars and staying out of range from the opponent when you can to avoid cc. As a Holy Paladin, you should be doing 80% instant casts with only a few heals that require casting time. You want to minimize the amount of time that you have to spend casting because you don't want the enemy to be able to Holy Lock you if you can help it. So with this setup, you can run around and use all the instant cast heals that you have on CD. When your teammates are getting low or you want to get a few casted heals off, simply stop moving and allow the CR to cast Flash of Light. You never EVER want to use a normally casted Divine light, this is why I have it unchecked. You WILL however want to use Divine light when it speed procs (with this proc it is the fastest, largest, best heal possible). And when it comes to Holy Light... you just shouldn't ever even consider casting this spell. Holy Light is a waste of your time almost more so than a normally casted Divine Light.
Manual Press:
This setup will allow you to choose your own Target/Focus, and cast almost everything you could want for you. The following spells are spells that I sometimes use manually depending on the condition:
Tips/Tricks/Macros:
**COMING SOON**
Ending:
If you have comments or suggestions for the betterment of this guide, feel free to PM me your suggestions.
Hope everyone enjoys!
-----------------------------------------------------------
Warning:
This guide is based off of 522+ item lvl for PvP Arena. If you are going oom, please tone down your CR appropriately.
Stat Priority:
Intellect > Spirit > Mastery = Crit > Haste
Some Paladins choose to favor crit and some choose to favor mastery, but neither decision is wrong. I personally chose to go mastery.
Talents:
Speed of Light (Very important for getting to your dps after being CC'd to Africa and/or escaping from those double dps trains)
Evil is a Point of View (can go either of the other 2 options for this tier depending on what comp you play against/with)
Eternal Flame
Clemency
Divine Purpose
Holy Prism
Glyphs:
Blessed Life
Flash of Light
Glyph of Beacon of Light
Gear:
Buy all off-pieces of meditation.
Reforge: (Note: this section is only if you decide to go a Mastery Build)
Head: Spirit (from Crit)
Neck: Mastery (from Haste)
Shoulders: None
Back: Mastery (from Crit)
Chest: Mastery (from Haste)
Bracers: Mastery (from Crit)
Gloves: Mastery (from Haste)
Belt: Mastery (from Haste)
Legs: Spirit (from Crit)
Boots: None
Ring(Cruelty): Spirit (from Crit)
Ring(Meditation): Mastery (from Haste)
Gems:
Meta: Tyrannical Primal Diamond (or if not enough conquest go with Burning Primal Diamond)
Prismatic: Brilliant Primordial Ruby
Blue: Purified Imperial Amethyst
Red: Brilliant Primordial Ruby
Yellow: Potent Vermilion Onyx Misty Wild Jade
Enchants:
Shoulders: Enchant Greater Crane Wing Inscription
Cloak: Enchant Cloak Superior Intellect
Chest: Enchant Chest Glorious Stats or Enchant Chest Super Resilience (I went Super Resilience because that is what the top Holy Paladins run right now)
Bracers: Enchant Bracer Super Intellect
Gloves: Enchant Gloves Greater Haste
Belt: Enchant Living Steel Belt Buckle
Legs: Enchant Greater Cerulean Spellthread
Boots: Enchant Boots Pandarens Step
Main Hand: Enchant Weapon Jade Spirit
Off Hand: Enchant Offhand Major Intellect
CR Setup:
Healing Tips: I frequently get asked why Divine Light and Holy Light are not checked. This is because I have never EVER gone oom even in a full length arena match. Flash of Light is expensive, but completely worth it. Overall, you should be hiding behind pillars and staying out of range from the opponent when you can to avoid cc. As a Holy Paladin, you should be doing 80% instant casts with only a few heals that require casting time. You want to minimize the amount of time that you have to spend casting because you don't want the enemy to be able to Holy Lock you if you can help it. So with this setup, you can run around and use all the instant cast heals that you have on CD. When your teammates are getting low or you want to get a few casted heals off, simply stop moving and allow the CR to cast Flash of Light. You never EVER want to use a normally casted Divine light, this is why I have it unchecked. You WILL however want to use Divine light when it speed procs (with this proc it is the fastest, largest, best heal possible). And when it comes to Holy Light... you just shouldn't ever even consider casting this spell. Holy Light is a waste of your time almost more so than a normally casted Divine Light.
Manual Press:
This setup will allow you to choose your own Target/Focus, and cast almost everything you could want for you. The following spells are spells that I sometimes use manually depending on the condition:
- Hammer of Justice/Turn Evil/Repentance/Blinding Light (CC's are important to setup with your partners. Overlapping CC will never get you to a high rating)
- Divine Shield/Divine Protection/Devotion Aura (These are your major Densives that you will want to use as your 'oh shit' buttons. These can be used defensively when being trained, Defensively to break silence/cc, and even Offensively to help out your team. If you are running with a Wizard Cleave, you may want to save things like Devotion Aura for your caster's bursts so that they can free cast a player from 100-0)
- Rebuke (This is only usable if you are sitting on top of your enemy. Although LOSing and Ranging the opponent is important to avoiding CC and keeping your team alive, it is important to run up and interrupt key spells to help secure a kill sometimes. Another good example would be when the enemy's priest drops a Psyfiend right next to you: Simply interrupt the first fear, and then gtfo before the second can get off)
- Denounce (I use this as a filler, meaning that I only use it from time to time when I feel that the fight is going well. I used to have the bot do it, but from time to time it would cast a denounce when I new that the opponent was about to burst my teammates and then I would be a bit behind on the defensive)
- Hand of Protection (I have Hand of Prot on Blind/Intimidation/Karma checked so that it can give your team optimal uptime on their target, but other than that you should save BoP for saving team in bad situations or when your Casters want to free damage their target without worrying about melee)
Tips/Tricks/Macros:
**COMING SOON**
Ending:
If you have comments or suggestions for the betterment of this guide, feel free to PM me your suggestions.
Hope everyone enjoys!
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rosek
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Hey Tuan,
can u add StopCasting @ Thoks Deafening Screech ?
Demonic (Warlock CC) from Millz have it , and its awesome for thok
Deafening Screech - Spells - World of Warcraft
Thanks
can u add StopCasting @ Thoks Deafening Screech ?
Demonic (Warlock CC) from Millz have it , and its awesome for thok
Deafening Screech - Spells - World of Warcraft
Thanks
Few points id like too make:
1) Your interupt delay is basicly set too instantly interupt, its way too fast, you will be interupting spell that are humanly impossible too catch consistantly 200 - 400 ms you have it set too in the Screenshot, Your cleanse and break CC might also be suspiciouse, i would increase the delays on them all, as it stand you will probally get a tonne of rage /w and player reports and possibly some unwanted scrutiny from Blizz, Those setting arent what id call "Botting safe".
2) on the holy page "Cleanse unit exeeds debuffs" setting, i personaly turn that off and leave "Cleanse important Debuff" on , Dont want the CR Cleansing randomly with the Exeeds debuff setting then 1 sec later you have no cleanse for a Deep Freeze ect which can be game breaking, Could get your partner or you dead in my exp.
3) Eternal flame Blanket on 1, Surely if your CCed and only thing on your partner is flame while your in CC you would want the eternal flame to be set on 3 so its got some juice behind itsince pvp is about burst.
4) Avengine Wrath 60%, Divine favor 50%, Gaurdian 40% , You seem too have based your %'s too Avoid them all popping at the same time? if thats the case Fear not, as there is a setting just above them "Delay before using cooldowns" This means you can have them all at 40% and they will not overlap, I myself have them all at 40% with a 7 second delay, When a team mate hits 40% its pops one CD - Waits 7 secs, if they are still under 40% it pops another and if you or your teamates still low after the first CD after 7 secs, you probally need the extra heals from the 2nd CD, In 2v2 i lower it too 30% , 40% in 3s because its generaly more bursty.
5) if you are not using Holy Avenger, untick it, will make the routine run smoother if you untick anything you ownt be using.
Just one question. He's using divine purpose. Does he need to set eternal flame = 3?
Divine purpose is random and unpredictable, Theres a chance you might not get the procc, Imagine this scenario. No DP proccs have come up, your slapped in a CC chain with no way out and all thats on your partner/s is a 1 holy power eternal flame that wont really heal for shit, i know id rather have more robust HoT that can hold my partner/s up and allow them too kite/pillar hug too survive while im in that CC, Small things make a diffrence in PvP, eatch too there own but id rather not risk it myself + in RBG's you defo want it on 3.
@ OhaiDur and @ericklcl:
1) I have only had 1 opponent do this and I am in the 2k bracket right now in 2s/3s, but he was really pissed so I am surprised that more people haven't noticed. I am changing Interrupt from 200-400 to 500-800. I am also changing the Break CC Delay/Cleanse Delay from 50-200 to 200-500. Are these settings more realistic, or still too far fetched?
2) Great advice, not sure why I didn't do this already lol.
3) Used to have it at 3 and didn't noticed it had changed. Definitely changing it back to 3.
4) I did this using Cerbz's logic from his guide. I have used this for a while and it allows for longer matches to have more CD up-time and mana-efficiency. I used to run all around 35-40 though, so I cannot say that I have used the current logic in my guide longer than a few days. I will lower these cutoff values.
5) Somehow missed that. I usually have everything turned off that I am not using (since anything ticked will just be running checks and slowing down the routine's performance).
I appreciate the suggestions. I have reached just over 2k with this setup this season, but now with the changes maybe I will have even better performance. I have updated the guide so please let me know if anyone sees anything else. Good stuff!
**How do I delete the old images? I go under advanced and only see how to add more to the 5 I currently have.
1) I have only had 1 opponent do this and I am in the 2k bracket right now in 2s/3s, but he was really pissed so I am surprised that more people haven't noticed. I am changing Interrupt from 200-400 to 500-800. I am also changing the Break CC Delay/Cleanse Delay from 50-200 to 200-500. Are these settings more realistic, or still too far fetched?
2) Great advice, not sure why I didn't do this already lol.
3) Used to have it at 3 and didn't noticed it had changed. Definitely changing it back to 3.
4) I did this using Cerbz's logic from his guide. I have used this for a while and it allows for longer matches to have more CD up-time and mana-efficiency. I used to run all around 35-40 though, so I cannot say that I have used the current logic in my guide longer than a few days. I will lower these cutoff values.
5) Somehow missed that. I usually have everything turned off that I am not using (since anything ticked will just be running checks and slowing down the routine's performance).
I appreciate the suggestions. I have reached just over 2k with this setup this season, but now with the changes maybe I will have even better performance. I have updated the guide so please let me know if anyone sees anything else. Good stuff!
**How do I delete the old images? I go under advanced and only see how to add more to the 5 I currently have.
tuanha
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I don't see anything wrong, the log is too short and there's no error coming from my CR.
Can you switch to Tyrael instead of LazyRaider and let me know.
Hey man, i have my interupt at 750 - 1200, works very well for me, ive set it like that so with my MS, usually arround 30 -50ms, This way haste buffed Shaman/ paladins heals are usually arround that with other players MS, Sometime i catch them sometimes i dont, keeps it realistic and havnt had a complaint / Rage whisper yet, Break cc / cleanse i have 200 - 400 myself.
oh i didnt say before, but thanks for guide and the contribution.
RESIISTANCE
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How is this CR at the moment for RET pally pvp?
rets sucks if you want to go dps in arena rbg u can better lvl a warrior it does more damage then a ret with tuanha warrior class u do alot of damage but then u need to have to get the full package to have the warrior cc
I've been using the Free Version for two raid nights so far - and my only complaint I believe pertains to Divine Plea. In the OP is says it pauses when used, does it override the pause if I'm glyphed for Divine plea? Maybe there's a toggle and I'm missing it!
Secondly, on most boss fights my HPS drops significantly and the CR just casts Holy Light occasionally; especially on the Protectors fight when you have to go into the bubble, it practically shuts down until I'm out of it. I usually open up VERY strong, and top the meter for the majority of the fight, but as the fight starts to enter the last phase it seems the bot chokes up/doesn't care. I think I read that the Free Version is primarily for PVP, maybe that's a factor?
I'm looking to get the Donor version tomorrow, but hoping I can get some insight on my issues first.
Lastly, after I purchase from the TuanHA site, is there something I need to do in these forums to activate or anything?
Secondly, on most boss fights my HPS drops significantly and the CR just casts Holy Light occasionally; especially on the Protectors fight when you have to go into the bubble, it practically shuts down until I'm out of it. I usually open up VERY strong, and top the meter for the majority of the fight, but as the fight starts to enter the last phase it seems the bot chokes up/doesn't care. I think I read that the Free Version is primarily for PVP, maybe that's a factor?
I'm looking to get the Donor version tomorrow, but hoping I can get some insight on my issues first.
Lastly, after I purchase from the TuanHA site, is there something I need to do in these forums to activate or anything?
Hey Taunha,
Paid version of the prot rotation. 13/14 heroic, everything is pretty solid. I just have one request
1) Any option for a hotkey to queue Lights Hammer? Something like you target an area with your mouse, hit the hotkey, and it will queue lights hammer in that spot? Currently pausing routine then lights hammering, then resuming but that's not ideal.
Also, can anyone recommend some settings for Eternal Flame / WoG for raiding? Doesn't seem to be using it much with default settings.
Paid version of the prot rotation. 13/14 heroic, everything is pretty solid. I just have one request
1) Any option for a hotkey to queue Lights Hammer? Something like you target an area with your mouse, hit the hotkey, and it will queue lights hammer in that spot? Currently pausing routine then lights hammering, then resuming but that's not ideal.
Also, can anyone recommend some settings for Eternal Flame / WoG for raiding? Doesn't seem to be using it much with default settings.
awsome guide when i have lvled my paladin again i wil use this i never knew people didnt used holy light in pvp as u have it unchecked i always had holy light checked i gues flash light is better and divine light etc. but i would use speed of light instead of Long Arm of the Law because speed of light you can make a nice fast run if you need to catch you teammate when they line out of sight you.