TuanHA Death Knight- The Ultimate Experience

[madaraa]

Hi,

has the current revision full arena support ( Frost DK Special Edition) ? Or is it still in development?

 

[tuanha]

Noticed that my dk keeps trying to cast "Death Pact" whenever my ghoul "Raise Dead" isn't out yet. My DK is 87 and I am using Kick's questing profiles and DK special edition. I am using the "FULL AFK" settings w/ the only thing being twinked is setting the ms to 2500 instead of 2000. Log incoming!!!

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It should be towards the end of the log. Thanks!!!

Blood DK, Rolling Blood, Purgatory, Asphyixate, Death Pact, and Blood Tap.

that an easy fix, i'll put new rev when I can get back to my pc.

Thank for reporting.

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Hi,

has the current revision full arena support ( Frost DK Special Edition) ? Or is it still in development?

Special Edition already support it, public release no.

 

[Arthzil]

Soul Reaper when target below 35%
Diseases
Frost Strike if Killing Machine is procced
Death and Decay
Obliterate when Killing Machine is procced and both diseases are on the target and both Unholy Runes are off cooldown
Frost Strike if RP capped
Howling Blast if Rime procced
Obliterate when both diseases are on the target and both Unholy Runes are off cooldown
Howling Blast
Horn of Winter
Frost Strike

Is Special Edition using this priority list? Also it's very slow, around 3 sec between skill uses...

 

[Mattikins]

that an easy fix, i'll put new rev when I can get back to my pc.

Thank for reporting.

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Special Edition already support it, public release no.

Thanks I will check it out as soon as possible and let you know of my findings. Thank you so much for the quick reply Tuanha!

 

[maxfx]

Tuanha, i have requsted many pages ago a small 'tick' to be implemented saying Do not manage stances [ x ]. That is very essential for pvp, i dont want to be in full blood all day long in arena ( using 100% percentage value ) nor i want the cc to switch to 50% by itself ( as sometimes it essential i am frost on specific moments. Please implement it <3

Thank you.
that is the only reason i cannot use the special edition at the moment on arena and i am forced to use singular .

 

[madaraa]

Is Special Edition using this priority list? Also it's very slow, around 3 sec between skill uses...

I have the same problem, that it is pretty slow. Especially in the arena, it reacts very slowly. This is also the reason why I had asked for the support in the arena.

 

[tuanha]

Have you try this yet Maxfx?

There a checkbox beside Blood Presence HP Below, pls disable it, it will not try to swap presence

 

[zakkwylde]

Is Special Edition using this priority list? Also it's very slow, around 3 sec between skill uses...

Soul Reaper and diseases work, although for multiple mobs a manual pestilence is required most times.

DnD casting is pretty hit and miss I've found, usually I do it manually to get it up ASAP for trash or even in the single target rotation it rarely occurs.

As for the rest of the rotation....I think it's pretty good. It certainly seems to give me the most DPS out of any other CR's, so maybe just some tweaking and fine tuning is all that's needed. In my dummy test over 8 minutes I ended up with 79.9K DPS.iLvl 480 and all settings at default.

 

[cpdx]

in my dummy-test ive got after 10 minutes on my bad-geared 460 frostdk:

Lazyraider (30fps locked): ~44k dps
Tyrael (no lock): ~44k dps
Tyrael (15tps locked): ~50k dps

This result ive got with tyrael is very nice and the rotation is ultra fast with it.
The only problem with tyrael 15tps is that the entire game get choppy and i cant avoid anything, only dps like a machine.

 

[dirtdog]

Hello tuanha
Ive been experiencing slow an sluggish behaviour from time to time as dps. Sometimes it feels really fast and blasty and works well....but many times it jsut seem to slow down until it almost doesnt do much at all for some sec...i then move around abit from the move to see if there is some rangeissue or whatnot and also press some spells manuall...then it comes back to speed abit again.

I started with lazyraider lock 30 as usuall...then tried tyrael with and without lock.

Here is a log from a lfr toes run i just did , i experienced it alot here....have a look maybe you can find something.

Cheers

 

[mocbar]

Tuanha, can you make the routine not to stop dpsing when your enemy is placed in an ice block as an example, maybe stop the routine but do NOT stop auto attack, this makes it look suspect or at least stupid
what maxfx is trying to ask, can you make a switch in the routine to not manage the switching between frost and blood but let the user do this completely himself
his request makes sense, if i am assigned as flag carrier i want to go to the flag as frost and then go to blood the moment i have it, the way your CR is programmed now i have to go back to settings and put "Blood Presence HP Below" 100 to enable to do that, as a full lazy rider switching out of the game and do that and then switch back is some sort of a hassle

other than that exelent work

 

[TANK0341]

Hi Tuanha

I would like to donate to this and perhaps get into the beta. If this is anything like the the paladin and monk cc then I am looking foward to squishing things in battle grounds

Let us know if there will be a beta we can donate to

 

[evilroad]

Does this CC support Blood Tap Talent or no? Because currently it's the best talent for DW Frost and Blood.

 

[tuanha]

Tuanha, can you make the routine not to stop dpsing when your enemy is placed in an ice block as an example, maybe stop the routine but do NOT stop auto attack, this makes it look suspect or at least stupid
what maxfx is trying to ask, can you make a switch in the routine to not manage the switching between frost and blood but let the user do this completely himself
his request makes sense, if i am assigned as flag carrier i want to go to the flag as frost and then go to blood the moment i have it, the way your CR is programmed now i have to go back to settings and put "Blood Presence HP Below" 100 to enable to do that, as a full lazy rider switching out of the game and do that and then switch back is some sort of a hassle

other than that exelent work

1. CR do not use any spell on target which have invulnerability spell like Divine Shield, Ice Block
2. Uncheck the swap presence the combat will never chance presence

That the way it code and I test it work like that. I'll revise my code again to make sure.

 

[TricksAnthem]

Is this CR even viable for Blood Tanking in normal raids? I tried to use it last night to tank in Heart of Fear and my Death Knight was getting wrecked, ended up having to play manually. Anyone who has experience with this CR and has used it with tanking normal raids, I would like to hear your opinions.

 

[TANK0341]

Where is your donation link. I cant find it anywhere

 

[mocbar]

1. CR do not use any spell on target which have invulnerability spell like Divine Shield, Ice Block
2. Uncheck the swap presence the combat will never chance presence

That the way it code and I test it work like that. I'll revise my code again to make sure.

1. yes i get that but the toon now completely stops doing anything witch looks stupid an no human does that, if you could make the routine still let the toon auto attack instead of stopping completely that would make it a little more human in pvp
2. yes i did that but the routine still swaps back to frost the moment it gets in to combat

 

[toliman]

Is this CR even viable for Blood Tanking in normal raids? I tried to use it last night to tank in Heart of Fear and my Death Knight was getting wrecked, ended up having to play manually. Anyone who has experience with this CR and has used it with tanking normal raids, I would like to hear your opinions.

i preface this with the disclaimer that if i'm wrong, call me out on it, i instantly defer to professionals on how it's supposed to work vs what i end up doing. EJ's tank rotation priority is deceptively simple i.e.

1) Death Strike when needed.
2) Keep up Weakened Blows with Outbreak and/or Blood Boil through Scarlet Fever.
3) Rune Strike so you can Death Strike more.
4) Use your Blood Runes on Soul Reaper or Heart Strike depending on mob health.
5) Use Crimson Scourge procs (DnD > BB).

for TuanHA DK in Blood spec, it's not really focused on survival from what i've noticed. 98.9 pc of the time, it handles most rotation problems admirably, it's just the crunch times.

I've mostly been running the dailies in Blood using questing. combat and LazyRaider bots on shadowpan/klaxxi dailies, to nail down the problem of what it does differently.
i mostly supervised, and noted what happened on the longer rotations when soloing elite mobs and wandering elite "glorious" mobs which often need to move/cover/recover from crit/floor attacks.

So far,
i see issues with kiting mobs (related to movement/gripping new mobs. something that the paladin tank CC doesn't have ?), i.e. not moving new mobs, taunting/handling mobs, not strangulate/asphyxiate-pulling casters, weak/inconsistent taunt/pull mechanics that might be fixed with "tanking hacks", i.e. walking backwards when being hit from behind, walking through mobs to avoid cleaves, stepping/strafing to move a mob forward, moving a pack of already in-combat melee mobs closer to a caster so you can AE the group together, etc.

i think this may be related to a similar movement system in DK/Monk for positioning, but for tanking, it has some peculiarities, which could be improved.

high/unused blood tap stacks, i.e. it should be around 8-9 when you have full hp, 4-5 when runes are on CD or losing health. the idea of Blood Tap IMO is to use it a bit like runic power & Rune Strikes, keep it just below the threshold of being used for Rune Strike or Death Strike, and to keep it in reserve for the moments when you've run out of runes/rp. which is usually every 20 to 30 seconds.

not using survival CDs or HP recovery (rune tap/death strike) often enough.

in a group, threat seems to be okay, survival is a bit rough, but that can be adjusted. maybe it sort of needs a burst / self-healing mode, using all spare runes/ERW and rune-tap, or if specced, to emergency generate blood tap stacks using all available RP/BT saved up, quickly burning rune strikes/heart strike/death strikes, to use for death strikes to recover health when getting 100k + melee strikes.

it may be that it's a case where it could prioritise Death Strike over others, which is okay, but it needs a bit of a boost in priority for when HP is being lost, or when vengeance falls off, during tank swaps, for instance. i believe the EJ priority is using blood runes for DS above NS HS or BS

if i'm using "afk" or "raid" settings, kiting mobs is difficult, it doesn't side-strafe or walk mobs back, it closes/returns to melee distance instead of letting the mob move. (perhaps this is something non-obvious ??)
taunting/pulling with the tendency to close distance to the targeted mob is a little bit rough, dk's can use chains of ice, icy touch, dark command, strangulate, asphyxiate, blood boil, DnD, to taunt mobs etc. not just Death Grip. multi-dotting would be handy, using DnD as a focus for the mid-point between you and the mobs could be handy, so you can close to the mid-point between 2 mobs, and hold them there, then "let go" of the melee range lock-in.

it tends to not try to self-heal or regen using death strikes s a normal tank would from incoming strikes, it doesn't use DnD quite as much in combat/questing bot with adds, with lazy it does. not sure of differences there.

overall, it keeps a good rotation, it doesn't use many of the survival CD's as i'd like for a DK tank CC.

 

[judaquwow2]

TuanHA, i was using your CC for my DK for leveling with the Kicks profiles. I didnt want the toon attack monsters if im not in combat.. So i desactivated the checkbox that says: Attack out of combat. Because i only want the toon to attack the neccesary mobs for the quests. But when i desactivated it, the bot doesnt start and get stuck on: "Stop Attack Out of Combat".
Log attached.

 

[hyiamcute]

I see you changed settings for blood tap. Now our DKs always have at least 5 stacks up... so we can strangulate whenever we need. Thx for that!

"Blood Presence HP Below xx" << this setting is buggy. Sometimes DK switches into that presence but switches back into frost with low HP. I tried all settings... 20% HP 50% or 90%. Its buggy. Even I don't use this setting he always switches back in Frost presence when infight. Thats not when getting fokused in Arena ^^

Best is to set 99% and switch by urself.