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TuanHA Death Knight- The Ultimate Experience

For 3s is it best to necrotic stack on 3 death runes or 1
That depending on your comp and your enemy.

For example if my main target is melee, I prefer set Necrotic Strike on 3 Death Runes.

But if my main target is a range, I prefer set Necrotic Strike on 1 Death Rune.

The reason is if you attack a range (a mage for example) you don't have enough up time to put 3 Necrotic Strike in a rows... You typically get rooted, slowed or mage just blink away... so just use Necrotic Strike whenever you can with 1 Death Rune.

BTW, Huge improvement on DK is coming soon, I'm testing the final release.
 
Tuanha why does the routine randomly stop working sometimes? I think it's an issue with your authentication, if I go to a Target Dummy the routine works fine but as soon as i step into an arena /BG it doesn't do anything, and yes I am talking about the "other version"?
 
That depending on your comp and your enemy.

For example if my main target is melee, I prefer set Necrotic Strike on 3 Death Runes.

But if my main target is a range, I prefer set Necrotic Strike on 1 Death Rune.

The reason is if you attack a range (a mage for example) you don't have enough up time to put 3 Necrotic Strike in a rows... You typically get rooted, slowed or mage just blink away... so just use Necrotic Strike whenever you can with 1 Death Rune.

BTW, Huge improvement on DK is coming soon, I'm testing the final release.


Cant wait man.. Estimated time?
 
Tuanha,

did you implement the correct range check for blood boil (and removed blood boil while beeing out of combat), so that it won't be spammed any more when there are no mobs (at least two) in range?

Just reminding so that you don't forget it :)
 
no one's arguing that fester is BETTER, there's just situations for both. and all high ranked players should use both interchangeably. dispels are incredibly powerful and should be used frequently, my point was that you don't need to dispel 10x for each important buff that pops up which is what an exclusive icy rotation would do. using fester doesn't mean you can never chains or icy dispel anyone ever. i would say that if ur only going to let the bot full auto and you have to pick one or the other, 100% icy rotation is for sure better. being able to do both is still ideal.

the fact that there were multiple threads on this on arena junkies and MMOchampion shows that the answer isn't black and white. at any given time, if there's nothing to dispel and ur target is right next to you while you already have a high AP dot stack going, obviously spamming icy/boil is *not* better. at the same time, if you can't reach a target or someone just used divine plea cuz they're running OOM, spamming fester instead of icy is a horrible ideal.

this is why in this part of this thread and previously, i've commented that there should be priority logic for icy dispels and fester. even if the dispel ruins the whole rotation, uses up precious death runes, etc, sometimes it's so important it's still worth it.

so in short, if the CR can only do ONE style, i fully agree icy is better. if it can do both at the right times, then this is ideal. the more gladiators you talk to the more opinions you'll get, but i guarantee they do both. reinhart was one of the earlier ones pushing festerblight while at the same time others equally skilled and ranked were saying they don't even have fester on their action bars -- shows that either can work exclusively, or both can work even better together :)

Rienhart is mediocre in comparison to the people im talking about. Festering is not even considered for these guys, and when I use a rotation based off icy touch/blood boil/blood strike myself i find a much greater degree of success in virtually every realistic pvp scenario.

But you might like festering strike for whatever reason, which is why I want the option to choose between them.

Please TuanHa, I never want to see my DK use Festering Strike ever again. Thanks.
 
Hi guys, your CR just getting a lot better.

Revolution Logic on Burst Mode auto activate on High Attack Power!

Now Combat Routine can track your Attack Power. When you get a high Attack Power (weapon enchant proc, trinket proc, other buffs...) Combat Routine will activate Burst Mode automatically.

For example, this is my DK without any Attack Power buff I have 57k Attack Power
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And I set activate Burst when Attack Power > 40%
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When Trinket Proc, Weapon Enchant Proc... I have 83k Attack Power
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Then the Combat Routine will activate Burst Mode automatically. (As in the setting above, it will activate Gargoyle, Unholy Frenzy...)
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This is a really GREAT mechanic to do CRAZY damage. I've test countless BG/Arena with a few friend and the new mechanic almost always force Mage use Ice Block or Paladin useDivine Shield...

Please update new rev and enjoy.

More on Attack Power % in setting.
What is the best %? That depend on your gear proc.

This is my hunter: 61k Attack Power (no proc, just base number)
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When Everything Proc 102k Attack Power
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Basically I have 62% Attack Power increase with Proc.

So I've set proc activate on Attack Power > 40% because not all the time all trinket, weapon... proc at the same time, set it activate at 40% is good rate.
 
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The damn blood boil spamming is _not_ resolved *sigh*

1. Remove blood boil from the rotation when
[x] Attack out of combat is used and the char is OOC!
Blood specc.
 
Build 5.4.5237
Revolution Logic on Burst Mode auto activate on High Attack Power
Please read more here:
http://www.thebuddyforum.com/honorb...ight-ultimate-experience-346.html#post1503328
Fix Frost DK DPS
Improve performance and bug fix.

Hey Tuanha,

I was stoked to see this, but unfortunately frost rotation is still massively broken (in fact I think it's worse). I have at ilvl 490, full timeless with 2 535 pieces (some bad green trinkets) and my dps is averaging 40K with your routine.
Check this ss out, and I have attached the log too. I selected quest as the presets, and turned framelock off. Running with Tyreal.

CurrentFrostRotation.webp

Log:
View attachment 5152 2014-05-03 22.53.txt

Hope you fix this soon, or just advertise the CR as UH only.

Thanks,
 
Hi, try myself to SimCraft my uh dk with frost spec to see if its broken or what.
SimCraft told me 199k approx with everything (flask/bl). CR made 123k approx after 6min.
I see there's some problem with deathrune, they're sometime not used i guess.
Here is the log

EDIT : 545ilvl pvp with Crit->Mastery spec
 

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Hi guy,

I found a critical bug on DK and fixed it.

For DK a few spell use difference ID depend on spec, for example Soul Reaper - on Blood Spec, the spellId is 114866, on Frost Spec, the spellId is 130735, on Unholy Spec, the spellId is 130736 (uh oh, I don't know why Blizzard make them use different Id :D)

Anyway it fixed and I've improve the dps. Test on my PvP gear DK ilevel 534 (grievous weapon :P)

My CR result: 151k DPS on 4 Millions damage.
Simcraft result: 156k on 4 Millions damage. (the highest possible dps if everything execute perfectly)

I think the dps is now decent, I've test against other very good CR on HB forum and mine is a bit better 151k DPS vs 146k on 4 Millions damage.

Oh, I've fix Blood Boil on Blood only use in combat too.

Please update and let me know.

Thank you <3
 
Hello everyone!

I tried this CR in arenas and bg's today and it works very well for the most part however I have a huge problem. I can't seem to make it use necrotic strikes which is a huge spell in pvp environment!
I chose "PvP" in the TuanHA settings but I can't find an option related to the necrotic strikes! Where do I set it? I'm using Tyrael as bot base.

Please help! Thanks in advance!

EDIT: Oh and another thing. In random bg's it felt like the CR was raping everybody (without using necrotics of course) but when I entered arena as holy pala / DK we were facing holy pala / ele shaman and it felt like I wasn't doing any pressure. I couldn't even get anybody under 80% without stuns or gargoyle. I didn't get the paladin's bubble in a 15 min game. I'm not really used to that against 1400 rated teams as I have 548 ilvl on my DK and 2400 exp. Am I doing something wrong or is there some known issues when entering an arena? Or maybe in battlegrounds I was just playing against noobs with low gear but I don't think people in 1400 arenas are any more skilled than that.

Also I'm not sure if the CR is supposed to use blood boil when there are multiple targets in range but It doesn't seem to do it for me and I think it should because keeping diseases up on as many targets as possible is crucial for creating pressure as an unholy DK.

Thanks!
 
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Hello everyone!

I tried this CR in arenas and bg's today and it works very well for the most part however I have a huge problem. I can't seem to make it use necrotic strikes which is a huge spell in pvp environment!
I chose "PvP" in the TuanHA settings but I can't find an option related to the necrotic strikes! Where do I set it? I'm using Tyrael as bot base.

Please help! Thanks in advance!

EDIT: Oh and another thing. In random bg's it felt like the CR was raping everybody (without using necrotics of course) but when I entered arena as holy pala / DK we were facing holy pala / ele shaman and it felt like I wasn't doing any pressure. I couldn't even get anybody under 80% without stuns or gargoyle. I didn't get the paladin's bubble in a 15 min game. I'm not really used to that against 1400 rated teams as I have 548 ilvl on my DK and 2400 exp. Am I doing something wrong or is there some known issues when entering an arena? Or maybe in battlegrounds I was just playing against noobs with low gear but I don't think people in 1400 arenas are any more skilled than that.

Also I'm not sure if the CR is supposed to use blood boil when there are multiple targets in range but It doesn't seem to do it for me and I think it should because keeping diseases up on as many targets as possible is crucial for creating pressure as an unholy DK.

Thanks!
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Please make sure option Necrotic Strike on Death Rune enabled.

You can set it use at 1 Death Rune or wait till you have 3-4 Death Runes and use them all in a row for more PvP Burst (but less constant pressure damage ofc)
 
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Please make sure option Necrotic Strike on Death Rune enabled.

You can set it use at 1 Death Rune or wait till you have 3-4 Death Runes and use them all in a row for more PvP Burst (but less constant pressure damage ofc)

Thanks for the quick reply!

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This is the advanced settings in my HB. Any idea why am I missing a tab? It's quite strange since I updated everything with SVN.
 
Thanks for the quick reply!

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This is the advanced settings in my HB. Any idea why am I missing a tab? It's quite strange since I updated everything with SVN.
Oh, you are using public release that not fully PvP supported and a few PvP option not enabled...

More on 1st post.
 
Hi guy,

I found a critical bug on DK and fixed it.

For DK a few spell use difference ID depend on spec, for example Soul Reaper - on Blood Spec, the spellId is 114866, on Frost Spec, the spellId is 130735, on Unholy Spec, the spellId is 130736 (uh oh, I don't know why Blizzard make them use different Id :D)

Anyway it fixed and I've improve the dps. Test on my PvP gear DK ilevel 534 (grievous weapon :P)

My CR result: 151k DPS on 4 Millions damage.
Simcraft result: 156k on 4 Millions damage. (the highest possible dps if everything execute perfectly)

I think the dps is now decent, I've test against other very good CR on HB forum and mine is a bit better 151k DPS vs 146k on 4 Millions damage.

Oh, I've fix Blood Boil on Blood only use in combat too.

Please update and let me know.

Thank you <3

I really hate to give you bad news, Tuanha. But, I think it got even worse for frost dps (dps went down to 34K)
Obliterate is used less often now, and it is now spamming HB more often, and using soul reaper whenever its off cool down. See attached.

CurrentFrostRotation_StillNotFixed.webp

View attachment 2056 2014-05-04 10.57.txt


Hopefully 3rd times a charm?

Also, if you think it's me - please let me know. I am using tyreal, framelock off, quest presets, then adjusting settings to turn off auto target, auto move, auto face (essentially everything that automates movement/selecting mobs).

As a frame of reference, when I use Singular I am getting around 60K dps. Which I know could be MUCH higher, as to why I am trying to use your CR.
 
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