Substantial Progress Recovering Lost Funds From Banned Accts

[tbgvtr]

Just blank out the compromising parts? Duh, to bad you can't prove it because it never happend.

LOL I don't care I am not stupid enough to give specific details. For everyone else believe who you want!

The party I'm advising still has not been responded to by blizzard in any way about the $5000 charges, but she has had all of the rest of her PayPal disputes reach resolution (in her favor) and she has had her MASTERCARD finalize the provisionary credits, so she has been fully refunded for the past 90 days of RMAH purchases. We are unsure how or when blizzard will respond about the rest (which is at least less then 50% of the total), but I would imagine they may be waiting for the 30 day mark from 18/12/2012. It appears from the claim on the BBB's website, Blizzard (likely has from the change in status which before said waiting for the business to reply) has sent them a response, but the BBB is still processing it maybe? They have not released their response to us, and we have not been able to see what they have said in response yet. To anyone else in similar situation please be similarly as discreet as I have been in your postings, because it is very plausible that blizzard could be monitoring these forums.

 

[JimJohnsonBanMe4life]

LOL I don't care I am not stupid enough to give specific details. For everyone else believe who you want!

The party I'm advising still has not been responded to by blizzard in any way about the $5000 charges, but she has had all of the rest of her PayPal disputes reach resolution (in her favor) and she has had her MASTERCARD finalize the provisionary credits, so she has been fully refunded for the past 90 days of RMAH purchases. We are unsure how or when blizzard will respond about the rest (which is at least less then 50% of the total), but I would imagine they may be waiting for the 30 day mark from 18/12/2012. It appears from the claim on the BBB's website, Blizzard (likely has from the change in status which before said waiting for the business to reply) has sent them a response, but the BBB is still processing it maybe? They have not released their response to us, and we have not been able to see what they have said in response yet. To anyone else in similar situation please be similarly as discreet as I have been in your postings, because it is very plausible that blizzard could be monitoring these forums.

Why would you need to be discreet with your actions? The only thing you would have to fear is legal recourse, and you apparently think what you are doing is legal.

 

[taiya]

why do you keep going on about the BBB? It's been proven multiple times theyre a scam site and will give you a bad rating unless you pay them a fee. BBB means literally nothing

 

[tbgvtr]

why do you keep going on about the BBB? It's been proven multiple times theyre a scam site and will give you a bad rating unless you pay them a fee. BBB means literally nothing

I am confused by your posting. When I had typed BBB I am referring to the Better Business Bur... (la.bbb.org). I never read of them scamming anyone, and in fact I believe thier purpose is to protect customers from being scammed by businesses. Maybe in los angeles it is different, but in previous cases with the Maryland BBB not only have they succeeded in getting to resolution sought withought charging any fee, but businesses are very afraid to be on the naughty list, if you will entertain the metaphor, by the BBB, and the Maryland BBB has helped me in the past to get businesses to change their response both quickly and in a customer friendly way-- for instance I rented a boat which the company never made good on returning my $250.00 deposit which was supposed to be refunded within 2 weeks of return of the boat in the same condition it was rented in. The company cursed me out when I asked for the deposit back saying that they never claimed it was refundable. Within two weeks of contacting the BBB the company had gone from the manager cursing me out, to the staff calling me to apologize and sending a check for the deposit amount via ups 2 day delivery guarantee, which arrived within about 8-10 from starting the dispute with the BBB. Like I said though, maybe other jurisdictions are different, or perhaps companies as large as blizzard do not care about their status with the BBB. Really though I never heared of the BBB as a scam site nor was ever asked to pay a fee by them as the customer (maybe your issue was as the business?). If as the customer the BBB asked you to pay them, I would be inclined to beleive that you may have received a spoof or similarly illegitimate email perhaps.

Why would you need to be discreet with your actions? The only thing you would have to fear is legal recourse, and you apparently think what you are doing is legal.

One reason would be in order to avoid bans on your new bots if you have started back up again. The fact that they are maybe monitoring these forums, means being discreet is important to keeping the fact that you are maybe botting a secret from blizzard.

(edit-) Apologies for poor spelling/grammar I am a bit inebriated tonight, cheers!

 

[JimJohnsonBanMe4life]

One reason would be in order to avoid bans on your new bots if you have started back up again.

So you realize, you want to report Blizzard for scamming,/bad business yet they are not doing anything unethical / illegal / or surprising. While you scam / cheat another entity. So it's ok for you to scam others because they make more money then you?

The lose they receive from this is small but it counts towards the decision when its time to lay off people. The low life scum fucks like you are why this world is falling apart.

 

[tbgvtr]

So you realize, you want to report Blizzard for scamming,/bad business yet they are not doing anything unethical / illegal / or surprising. While you scam / cheat another entity. So it's ok for you to scam others because they make more money then you?

The lose they receive from this is small but it counts towards the decision when its time to lay off people. The low life scum fucks like you are why this world is falling apart.

I did not say I was currently botting. I want to take up the issue with blizzard that they used a secret method and dont provide any evidence, Some people supervise 100% of the time or close to it and if it wasn't an unethical nature how would they tell then? Or if they rather it stay secret they should stilll provide some evidence material that doesnt give away the nature they discovered it. One or the other, even specefics about when you allegedly partake in these actions. Maybe you all are not from the USA, and I understand that, but here it is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.. their contracts dont hold up against things like the constituion and so on in a court it just depends how far an individual or blizzard is willing to take it.

 

[JimJohnsonBanMe4life]

I did not say I was currently botting. I want to take up the issue with blizzard that they used a secret method and dont provide any evidence, Some people supervise 100% of the time or close to it and if it wasn't an unethical nature how would they tell then? Or if they rather it stay secret they should stilll provide some evidence material that doesnt give away the nature they discovered it. One or the other, even specefics about when you allegedly partake in these actions. Maybe you all are not from the USA, and I understand that, but here it is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.. their contracts dont hold up against things like the constituion and so on in a court it just depends how far an individual or blizzard is willing to take it.

Supervision justifies your action of automating game play how?

Just because they do not waste time fighting shitbirds like you does not make it legal... Sure as hell does not make it ethical.

 

[tbgvtr]

Supervision justifies your action of automating game play how?

Just because they do not waste time fighting shitbirds like you does not make it legal... Sure as hell does not make it ethical.

Perhaps someone has a disability and it restricts their ability to play the game as often as they have the time to, potentially another consequence of his/her disability?

Or perhaps someone just wanted to observe the combat routine to see how to play a new class?

I can think of more but I think my point is made whether or not you agree with it.

 

[JimJohnsonBanMe4life]

Perhaps someone has a disability and it restricts their ability to play the game as often as they have the time to, potentially another consequence of his/her disability?

Or perhaps someone just wanted to observe the combat routine to see how to play a new class?

I can think of more but I think my point is made whether or not you agree with it.

None of those are legal reasons to allow you to use software that very well could be a reason for performance issues and increased upkeep.

Do not get me wrong I have no issues with botting. I just hate bitches like you who get banned then want a refund. You made a choice, and instead of taking it like a person who steps up, takes responsibility for his choices. You choose to cry and throw a temper tantrum to get your money back. While committing fraud and recommending others to do the same. This America you so speak of... You are the reason we are hurting. You have no class.

 

[Bic420]

LOL I don't care I am not stupid enough to give specific details. For everyone else believe who you want!

The party I'm advising still has not been responded to by blizzard in any way about the $5000 charges, but she has had all of the rest of her PayPal disputes reach resolution (in her favor) and she has had her MASTERCARD finalize the provisionary credits, so she has been fully refunded for the past 90 days of RMAH purchases. We are unsure how or when blizzard will respond about the rest (which is at least less then 50% of the total), but I would imagine they may be waiting for the 30 day mark from 18/12/2012. It appears from the claim on the BBB's website, Blizzard (likely has from the change in status which before said waiting for the business to reply) has sent them a response, but the BBB is still processing it maybe? They have not released their response to us, and we have not been able to see what they have said in response yet. To anyone else in similar situation please be similarly as discreet as I have been in your postings, because it is very plausible that blizzard could be monitoring these forums.

No you just don't have any because your making it all up.

 

[blista08]

No you just don't have any because your making it all up.

You've not posted a bit of proof to validate any of your claims either. Post pics or GTFO. Stop trolling.

 

[Bic420]

You've not posted a bit of proof to validate any of your claims either. Post pics or GTFO. Stop trolling.

you guys both claimed you could not return diablo 3 if declining the TOS/EULA, Then I proved you wrong. What else are you looking for? The OP said someone got refunded 2,500$ from AH purchases he made. No where ever has anyone seen someone get anywhere close to that amount of money being refunded from blizzard let alone AH purchases being refunded, yet you don't seem to want even the smallest amount of proof...hmmm seems like you already know hes full of it.

You stop trolling, it's not working well for you.

 

[Bic420]

Perhaps someone has a disability and it restricts their ability to play the game as often as they have the time to, potentially another consequence of his/her disability?

Or perhaps someone just wanted to observe the combat routine to see how to play a new class?

I can think of more but I think my point is made whether or not you agree with it.

None of those are valid reasons to bot.

If your have a disability then well, don't play or deal with being slow.

If you want to play a new class you would not want to observe it running as a bot, that would be useless. You would want to actually play.

I get your point, It's just a very stupid one.

 

[blista08]

you guys both claimed you could not return diablo 3 if declining the TOS/EULA, Then I proved you wrong. What else are you looking for? The OP said someone got refunded 2,500$ from AH purchases he made. No where ever has anyone seen someone get anywhere close to that amount of money being refunded from blizzard let alone AH purchases being refunded, yet you don't seem to want even the smallest amount of proof...hmmm seems like you already know hes full of it.

You stop trolling, it's not working well for you.

How did you prove us wrong? You've not provided any evidence to support this claim. Stop trolling and trying to act like you even remotely know what you're talking about.

 

[Bic420]

How did you prove us wrong? You've not provided any evidence to support this claim. Stop trolling and trying to act like you even remotely know what you're talking about.

What do you mean? I have provided tons of evidence, you on the other hand have not. When you originally responded to one of my comments about returning daiblo 3 you said quote

"4 - Dependant on purchase method. If you purchased a hard copy, good luck returning the software to any store. 95%+ stores will not allow a refund on PC software of any kind."

I then corrected you and explained that you will be able to return the game as long as you decline the TOS/EULA. You then said i was wrong and the store has nothing to do with blizzard, here is your quote

"Most stores DO NOT give you the option of returns on opened software. Their policies take no affect from Blizzard's actions (stop being a dipshit, it's business, once again)."

You clearly had no idea of the actual return policy and were just talking out of your ass like every single post you have made thus far. Nobody said anything about the actual store refunding the game, you need to learn to read.

The funny thing is your original post about tgbvtr's advice was exactly the same thing I have said from the start. Here ill post it.

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"The sue train again -.-. You're not going to win the lawsuit. The fact of the matter is that you agreed to their EULA/TOS. The box you purchase at the retail outlet actually mentions that there is no offline version of the game. Additionally, it doesn't matter if "the glove fits, all too well". You purchased it at a third part retail outlet. Blizzard cannot be held liable for their business decisions =P."

Ok so wait? what? you just said that he doesn't have a case because he agreed to blizzard's EULA/TOS,Yet it clearly states the EXACT opposite from what you have been claiming, something that was stated in the absolute very first line says "IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO INSTALL, COPY OR USE THE GAME. IF YOU REJECT THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT WITHIN THIRTY (30) DAYS AFTER YOUR PURCHASE, YOU MAY CALL (800) 757-7707 TO REQUEST A FULL REFUND OF THE PURCHASE PRICE. "

It's obvious you know I'm right just by looking at your previous post but since you started the debate with me and lost your starting to get emotional over this and now are just trolling because you have nothing else useful to say.

 

[blista08]

What do you mean? I have provided tons of evidence, you on the other hand have not. When you originally responded to one of my comments about returning daiblo 3 you said quote I then corrected you and explained that you will be able to return the game as long as you decline the TOS/EULA. You then said i was wrong and the store has nothing to do with blizzard, here is your quote

You clearly had no idea of the actual return policy and were just talking out of your ass like every single post you have made thus far. Nobody said anything about the actual store refunding the game, you need to learn to read.

The funny thing is your original post about tgbvtr's advice was exactly the same thing I have said from the start. Here ill post it.

Quote

Ok so wait? what? you just said that he doesn't have a case because he agreed to blizzard's EULA/TOS,Yet it clearly states the EXACT opposite from what you have been claiming, something that was stated in the absolute very first line says "IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO INSTALL, COPY OR USE THE GAME. IF YOU REJECT THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT WITHIN THIRTY (30) DAYS AFTER YOUR PURCHASE, YOU MAY CALL (800) 757-7707 TO REQUEST A FULL REFUND OF THE PURCHASE PRICE. "

It's obvious you know I'm right just by looking at your previous post but since you started the debate with me and lost your starting to get emotional over this and now are just trolling because you have nothing else useful to say.

Your posts consists of quoting and theorizing. Proof does not consist of you quoting my posts and then repeating the same information. You demands screenshots and sources, I expect the same from you. The final quote you made just affirmed my statement on store return policies.

This has nothing to do with right or wrong, it's about you talking out your rear. I guess Tony must've agreed as you received a temporary mute. Every single one of your posts hint at someone that was angry at getting banned and didn't like it when others were/are still getting results. There are a large amount of players on this forum that disagree with your statements and have posted that they received their refunds. I'm sorry to say this as I'm sure it will hurt your e-peen, but I believe the 99% are right here.

 

[Bic420]

Your posts consists of quoting and theorizing. Proof does not consist of you quoting my posts and then repeating the same information. You demands screenshots and sources, I expect the same from you. The final quote you made just affirmed my statement on store return policies.

This has nothing to do with right or wrong, it's about you talking out your rear. I guess Tony must've agreed as you received a temporary mute. Every single one of your posts hint at someone that was angry at getting banned and didn't like it when others were/are still getting results. There are a large amount of players on this forum that disagree with your statements and have posted that they received their refunds.

I'm sorry to say this as I'm sure it will hurt your e-peen, but I believe the 99% are right here.

-None of my posts contain any theorizing at all, your the one is theorizing. Proof consist evidence which I already have provided, You have been the one demanding proof yet have not posted a single shred of proof nor even attempted to do so. Asking for proof when it comes to Legal matters like this is not whole lot to be asking, some people don't feel comfortable charging stuff back on there credit card unless they know its safe. The quotes that I made directly go against what you have been claiming so they very much are relevant but I can see why you chose to ignore them. My final quote did not affirm anything you said, Blizzard will be liable even if the game is being purchased from a 3rd part outlet. It also proves that you agree that the TOS/EULA will be upheld.

-Your only saying that because your the ones who has been talking out of his arse from the very start. Considering you were muted after your very first response in this thread, I dount that. I'm trying to help people here from getting into legal trouble, I would not be angry for people getting results at all, the problem is nobody is. At least not in the way the OP is claiming. No where on this forum have I heard anyone even claim they have received refunds from AH purchases after they were banned, There was a thread posted on here earlier were a guy asked if you could get refunded for purchases he made on the AH and most people just laughed at him.

-The 99% of the people you speak of do not agree with you at all, It's more like you and tgbtv are the 1%...well actually judging by your other posts you don't even really agree with him either,your more just letting this debate get the better of and taking it to personally for some reason.

 

[blista08]

-None of my posts contain any theorizing at all, your the one is theorizing. Proof consist evidence which I already have provided, You have been the one demanding proof yet have not posted a single shred of proof nor even attempted to do so. Asking for proof when it comes to Legal matters like this is not whole lot to be asking, some people don't feel comfortable charging stuff back on there credit card unless they know its safe. The quotes that I made directly go against what you have been claiming so they very much are relevant but I can see why you chose to ignore them. My final quote did not affirm anything you said, Blizzard will be liable even if the game is being purchased from a 3rd part outlet. It also proves that you agree that the TOS/EULA will be upheld.

-Your only saying that because your the ones who has been talking out of his arse from the very start. Considering you were muted after your very first response in this thread, I dount that. I'm trying to help people here from getting into legal trouble, I would not be angry for people getting results at all, the problem is nobody is. At least not in the way the OP is claiming. No where on this forum have I heard anyone even claim they have received refunds from AH purchases after they were banned, There was a thread posted on here earlier were a guy asked if you could get refunded for purchases he made on the AH and most people just laughed at him.

-The 99% of the people you speak of do not agree with you at all, It's more like you and tgbtv are the 1%...well actually judging by your other posts you don't even really agree with him either,your more just letting this debate get the better of and taking it to personally for some reason.

This is my last response to you . Once again you're a broken record repeating the same thing. One thing though, my "mute" was for excessive language. Not blowing it all out my arse. Please provide proof to all of your claims or get off the forums .

By proof, I want you to give me a paypal screenshot of where they denied your refund request to start off.

Side note: I read the first sentence of each of your paragraphs. Until you provide the "pics" as your evidence, I'm going to respond back to you with the same mentallity of "pics or it didn't happen". I'm not going to waste my time reading your garbage anymore.

 

[Bic420]

This is my last response to you . Once again you're a broken record repeating the same thing. One thing though, my "mute" was for excessive language. Not blowing it all out my arse. Please provide proof to all of your claims or get off the forums .

By proof, I want you to give me a paypal screenshot of where they denied your refund request to start off.

Side note: I read the first sentence of each of your paragraphs. Until you provide the "pics" as your evidence, I'm going to respond back to you with the same mentallity of "pics or it didn't happen". I'm not going to waste my time reading your garbage anymore.

No I'm not, your the one who keeps repeating the same thing over and over, when I proved you were wrong in regards to returning diablo 3 and posted the the link to the TOS/EULA you completely shutdown and have not said a single thing besides "pics or gtfo". why would i need to post pics when I already proved it?

If you want to continue this debate then provide proof to your claims. In your first response to my post you said Quote

"1 - I have done this for all of my transactions (including account creations) and received ALL my money back"

If this is actually true, then you would have no problem posting proof, would you not? Step up or move on your excuses are not good enough and talking out of your arse will not suffice.

 

[blista08]

None of those are legal reasons to allow you to use software that very well could be a reason for performance issues and increased upkeep.

Do not get me wrong I have no issues with botting. I just hate bitches like you who get banned then want a refund. You made a choice, and instead of taking it like a person who steps up, takes responsibility for his choices. You choose to cry and throw a temper tantrum to get your money back. While committing fraud and recommending others to do the same. This America you so speak of... You are the reason we are hurting. You have no class.

It doesn't hurt him to try and get his money back. If Blizzard cared enough, they would fight against the refunds . What he is doing is wrong. Stating that he has a disability and trying to get out of it is stupid. There's a difference between committing what you call fraud and initiating a dispute. There's very little difference between that and asking to see a store manager because you believe you deserve a refund on something they wont let you get a refund on.