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Hi quick question can this routine be used to level from 1-100?
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[PAID] [Priest] Insanity - An Advanced Honorbuddy Shadow Priest Routine [PvE/PvP]
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Yep, it can. It's optimized for level 100, but can be used at any level.
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Milzz, can you make a DOT weave rotation like this:
start at 4 orbs:
mind spike
dots
Mind blast
Plague
2x insanity
mind blast
plague
2x insanity
Both old/new dot weave isnt casting 2x insanity, while I think that would be the best dot weave atm.
start at 4 orbs:
mind spike
dots
Mind blast
Plague
2x insanity
mind blast
plague
2x insanity
Both old/new dot weave isnt casting 2x insanity, while I think that would be the best dot weave atm.
Millz, I hope you can re-evaluate the rotations so it can maximize DPS to the highest potential. I am always last place on meters on every fight. Ilvl 668 Spriest do 40k dps while i do 24k dps. Please, please do something. I do not have any advice to offer because I have never played shadow priest. But I hope you can take the time to do research and maximize this CR's DPS capabilities.
Thank you very much for the CR though. But i think it needs some improvement of some form
Thank you very much for the CR though. But i think it needs some improvement of some form
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The struggle with trying to fit 2x Insanity's in is that you incur another GCD when MB comes off cooldown. Once you start getting haste gear (i.e. to push you over 20%) from BRF then dot weaving isn't really viable any more. AS is the new focused talent at this tier.
Post a log file please.
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Going to try to do a little service work here for Millz as this is hands down the best CR for shadow priests and routinely performs wonderfully for me. Think I've posted in this thread twice and this is not a solicited post but I just feel it's deserved for the amount of works that's been put into this CR (no offense to TuanHA but this is miles ahead of any of the TuanHA CR's I've used on other toons).
First, recommendations for Teir 7 CoP option for each Highmaul fight is below (only for the difficulties that I've completed).
Kargath Normal and Heroic = CoP DoT Weave
Kargath Mythic = CoP Lite (try to make sure you keep both SWand VT up on Kargath while DPS'ing the tigers, may not happen with the default CR if you don't switch targets). Be sure to be running Power Infusion/Insanity here as well.
Butcher Normal and Heroic = CoP DoT Weave. Once again, Power Infusion/Insanity.
Brackenspore Normal and Heroic = CoP Standard (I find standard to be best here for bursting Spore Shooters, otherwise you waste DPS getting dots up on them, you may try CoP Lite but I haven't had as much success with it here). Change to Twist of Fate and Insanity.
Tectus Normal and Heroic = CoP Lite, hands down rapes face here, if you're using anything else, you're doing it wrong. Use Twist of Fate and Insanity (Surge of Darkness pulls ahead if you're raid group is sloppy or you get a bad chain of barrages on you).
Twins Normal and Heroic = CoP Standard. Use Power Infusion and Insanity
Twins Mythic = CoP Lite. Use Surge of Darkness and Power Infusion
Ko'ragh Normal and Heroic = CoP Standard. I prefer Twist of Fate and Insanity but Power Infusion may actually be really really close here.
Imperator Normal and Heroic = CoP DoTWeave w/ Twist of Fate and Insanity all day.
Overall, pulled the highest dps for me hands down to the immense amount of movement in this fight. Sadly your burst at the start looks like shit, BUT:
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The Link to Tectus right there I think says it all...That was a 7 minute 30 second heroic kill that took place this evening INCLUDING getting Crystalline Barrage 3 times. The Bracket % (far right) is basically a percentage ranking based on gear. I could link similar results from every other encounter in Highmaul, unfortunately, I'm lazy.
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Blackrock Foundry Normal and Heroic Recommendations:
So, I'm not doing normals on my SP and guild only went 4/10 heroic this week but here are my recommendations after trying a few different specs this past week as well as going back through a couple of the fights on Tuesday.
Gruul: Insanity + Halo - CoP DotWeave (new version). Performance was a little lower than I would have liked here due to movement however, was pulling a solid 26k @ 670 ilvl
Hans and Franz: Insanity (Could try surge of darkness but I found it to be a DPS drop) + Halo - CoP Lite. Due to the amount of movement during this fight and opportunity to multi-dot, I felt CoP Lite to be best here but am open to suggestions. I also tried DoTWeave but dropped my dps by nearly 10%. 27.4k DPS on Heroic with CoP Lite.
Beastlord: CoP Standard with Mind Sear set @ 5 targets (Insanity and . Allows us the best burst on spears when necessary. I also played with manually targeting spears and casting SW
Oregorger: CoP Standard here hands down. Need the burst of CoP Standard for crates. I spent my time running insanity but will be playing with surge of darkness here tomorrow night. This fight isn't so much about maximizing total DPS output, but more about DPS'ing the right things at the right times with the right amount of burst. I also swap from Body and Soul to Angelic Feather (self) hotkeyed for this fight. (Shift+C) auto targets myself and casts a feather on me. Unfortunately, depending on your target, there may be some issues with this (not sure if it's the CR or what) but it works more or less, just might have to clear your target before/after using). Use Dispersion liberally if you get caught off guard by Oregorger during a roll phase.
Wednesday 2/11 will be a farm/clear night of these 4 again for me even though I did 2 on my own Tuesday, hoping we're 7/10H by the end of the week but might only be 6 depending on people showing up.
Should have some good options for Flamebinder and others by this time next week.
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The Basics
Basically, I'm spec'd for:
Desperate Prayer, Body and Soul, Insanity (always), (teir 4 doesn't matter), Twist of Fate or Power Infusion, Halo, Clarity of Power.
I use Vampiric Embrace manually based on when I think the raid needs it, had it set @ 10 players below 75% which seemed good for awhile, but prefer to save it so I don't overlap when a tranquility or healing tide goes out.
I also use healing tonics instead of healthstones at all times.
As far as gear is concerned, I consider optimal gear to be CoP Standard gear (mastery/multistrike). Unbuffed @ ilvl 662 I'm now sitting on 9.95% crit, 14.48% haste, 44.93% mastery, 20.89% Multistrike, 0.6% Versatility.
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Other things to note that will have an effect on your DPS:
1.) Movement - Always disable Honorbuddy/CR based movement. Movement should be done manually to avoid it clipping spells for 6 inch movement due to range. Also, always be sure to STRAFE rather than turning and moving whenever possible. Strafing will allow the bot to continue casting your instant cast spells during movement.
2.) Latency/FPS - I experience a significant drop in DPS anytime my latency exceeds 100ms or FPS drops below 12. (I run on a shitty old desktop with crapcastic cable...)
3.) Bad RNG/Mechanics - A rough patch of Crystalline Barrage on Tectus or having to perform stack swaps on butcher, carry flame thrower on Brack, bad fire on Twins, absorbing overflowing energy on Ko'ragh, being the branded guy on Imperator, will also drop your DPS an non-insignificant amount.
4.) Kill Strategy - Some guilds use a more conservative 'easier' kill strategy on boss fights than others. Sometimes this forces more movement and can cause your DPS to be sub-par.
5.) Healing/Raid Assist/Shield on Movement - Assisting the raid with emergency heals, shields, or shielding yourself during movement or at lower health will also account for a DPS loss. This doesn't mean don't do it, just know that you won't perform maximum DPS. Sadly, not all of us have amazing healers and sometimes this is needed.
6.) Consumables - Don't forget, you should always be using a Greater Draenic Intellect Flask, Pre-pot and pot again on hero (int pots obv...) and if you really want to do well, focus augment runes (I save these for progression content).
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I've also gone ahead and attached my configuration files that I use for each of these fights. I simply, class config/load profile each time we're moving from boss to boss killing trash.
Any questions, feel free to PM or respond here and I'll reply when I can.
Hi there Xeddzul, used your settings in HM for a trial and secured myself a Heroic spot in BRF even though im only 650ilvl
.Thanks for the effort and time you have put into this, just wondering when you will be adding the last few bosses in BRF?
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I actually made it to 2250 using this routine in 3s. Really slick moves, the clutch silences and psychic horror peels etc.. Stuff you would never do manually without tons of macros and TONS of experience in 2k+ (which i have none)
As long as you are half good at "Juking" your casts vs melee, which is pretty simple. I highly recommend this routine for Arenas and RBGs.
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Hi there Xeddzul, used your settings in HM for a trial and secured myself a Heroic spot in BRF even though im only 650ilvl
Thanks for the effort and time you have put into this, just wondering when you will be adding the last few bosses in BRF?
Hey mate, I am actually 10/10HC at the moment, and have used this routine every step of the way.
Stats are as follows now just so you have a reference point of some sort to see if this will work for you.
682 ilvl with 4 piece HC tier. (this does change your playstyle considerably, i actually am no longer dotweaving but playing MoP rotation "coplite")
27% crit (I enchant/gem crit, not mastery)
19% haste (65% of the fight it's at 31% because of 4pc)
500 mastery total (Unfortunately BRF gear is not itemized very well for Mastery/Multi) but that's cool. It gets better with crit and tier.
15% Multi
Talents are always, Insanity/Halo/Twist Of Fate/CoP
Except for iron maidens, I Coplite still. But with AS/SoD and get about 37-38k. I personally don't understand the big deal with AS apart from that encounter. It's also ok on hanz/franz also, but i still parsed higher using coplite with insanity and COP.
Again perhaps more crit is needed but i feel i am high enough to utilise it on maidens with great results.
A few people may contradict what i am saying as far as using coplite over dotweave. I know a lot of the highest parsing priests in the world use mindspike/dotweave. But at the same time, my priest is ranked top 95% on warcraftlogs for US/EU for every encounter using CopLite in BRF. While weaving with spikes may be better for no movement fights. BRF has VERY FEW encounters like that. You're moving around a decent amount, especially in mythic. breaking mindspike is just fucking woeful if you ask me, such a huge dps loss i notice.
I'm terrible at writing guides, but i do know what is working for me currently. I am sure Xeddul will come forward with something more informative with images and such to help.
But I'll leave it at this, COPLITE is the way to go in BRF, stack crit and haste with some multistrike if you have access to it.
One other thing. A lot of maximizing your Shadow priest's DPS comes from doing some things manually. It's a good routine but it's still a routine, logic is not always 100% and that's up to you to keep an eye out for.
For instance It's not always wise to multi dot a target that will be dead in 5-15 seconds, the routine will do this if you do not stop it, so you would ideally manually cast Spikes and SWD (the routine doesn't always cancel casts for SWD, you need to do that yourself) We have the strongest execute in the game, make sure you're always putting our execute first if it's available before dots.
TRINKETS Always use these manually! never just let the routine decide it's off CD and pop them, you may be mid air/running/in dispersion, it's just wasted! I personally use my trinkets and racial before i cast DP, or if my legendary ring has procced or i have any other substantial stats buffs at the time. HALO I think this is a given but I'll say it anyway. NEVER EVER have the combat routine automatically halo for you. Half the fights in BRF have adds or something that halo should be saved for, for instance, if you have it using it on beast-lord or something and you halo 5 seconds before adds come out, well you just lost about 500k damage that wont be coming back! I also find that the routine casts halo regardless of distance settings (may be a bug, not sure)
DPS POTIONS use these manually also. Using on BL when we are not in execute phase is silly and a waste of 1k intellect. Use your 2nd dps potion under 20% with your trinkets/ring procs, will increase your finishing dps a lot.
HOT-KEYS Can't stress this enough, millz has a lot of great toggle settings (including the rotation itself mid fight) I actually switch to COP standard to kill an add or two and rotate back to coplite to avoid fighting the routines casts
BE PREEMPTIVE We have awesome addons like DBM/VEM/Weakauras which have timers that allow us to be preemptive with our casts and cooldowns. Don't blow a potion if you're about to switch phases and stuff like that, always make sure you'll be geting the most out of your self casted buffs. 100% uptime and usage should always be considered. Weakauras in particular is amazing for tracking your internal CDs like your ring proc. (That is effectively a DPS potion for 10 seconds) why wouldn't you use something else on top of it? right?
I have not added settings files like Xed just for the simple fact that i honestly never change anything throughout BRF, only talents and the occasional rotation change for an add kill or buffed execute phase (sieges on blackhand or something)
These small things are what i believe pushed me into the 95-99th percentile It's all about playing as flawlessly as you can and maximizing every single ability you have access to. I think a lot of us just expect the routine to run while we are alt tabbed and be ranking #1 on every fight, would be nice but it involves a fair amount of manual intervention to get the best results, and practice!
I really hope this helps a bit man, I just realized how much i bloody typed! But I found a play style that works for me in BRF, and i wanted to share it with some of you. I think it will work well for you as well. if you have any specific questions feel free to message me and I'll do my best to give you a hand.
Cheers.
OH AND PS. Don't take your DPS on wipes as gospel. Your DPS on kills is what you need to be looking at. Skada on wipes will make you feel bad since our DPS ticks down into the 20s even if we were sitting at 40k on a wipe. Only consider your finishing DPS on kills. As i said we have the strongest execute in the game, i literally go up 4-5k at the end of a fight and pass most of my guildies. If your group is not reaching the last phase and blaming you for bad dps. Tell them to get fucked, they don't understand how the class works
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Hey mate, I am actually 10/10HC at the moment, and have used this routine every step of the way.
Stats are as follows now just so you have a reference point of some sort to see if this will work for you.
682 ilvl with 4 piece HC tier. (this does change your playstyle considerably, i actually am no longer dotweaving but playing MoP rotation "coplite")
27% crit (I enchant/gem crit, not mastery)
19% haste (65% of the fight it's at 31% because of 4pc)
500 mastery total (Unfortunately BRF gear is not itemized very well for Mastery/Multi) but that's cool. It gets better with crit and tier.
15% Multi
Talents are always, Insanity/Halo/Twist Of Fate/CoP
Except for iron maidens, I Coplite still. But with AS/SoD and get about 37-38k. I personally don't understand the big deal with AS apart from that encounter. It's also ok on hanz/franz also, but i still parsed higher using coplite with insanity and COP.
Again perhaps more crit is needed but i feel i am high enough to utilise it on maidens with great results.
A few people may contradict what i am saying as far as using coplite over dotweave. I know a lot of the highest parsing priests in the world use mindspike/dotweave. But at the same time, my priest is ranked top 95% on warcraftlogs for US/EU for every encounter using CopLite in BRF. While weaving with spikes may be better for no movement fights. BRF has VERY FEW encounters like that. You're moving around a decent amount, especially in mythic. breaking mindspike is just fucking woeful if you ask me, such a huge dps loss i notice.
I'm terrible at writing guides, but i do know what is working for me currently. I am sure Xeddul will come forward with something more informative with images and such to help.
But I'll leave it at this, COPLITE is the way to go in BRF, stack crit and haste with some multistrike if you have access to it.
One other thing. A lot of maximizing your Shadow priest's DPS comes from doing some things manually. It's a good routine but it's still a routine, logic is not always 100% and that's up to you to keep an eye out for.
For instance It's not always wise to multi dot a target that will be dead in 5-15 seconds, the routine will do this if you do not stop it, so you would ideally manually cast Spikes and SWD (the routine doesn't always cancel casts for SWD, you need to do that yourself) We have the strongest execute in the game, make sure you're always putting our execute first if it's available before dots.
TRINKETS Always use these manually! never just let the routine decide it's off CD and pop them, you may be mid air/running/in dispersion, it's just wasted! I personally use my trinkets and racial before i cast DP, or if my legendary ring has procced or i have any other substantial stats buffs at the time. HALO I think this is a given but I'll say it anyway. NEVER EVER have the combat routine automatically halo for you. Half the fights in BRF have adds or something that halo should be saved for, for instance, if you have it using it on beast-lord or something and you halo 5 seconds before adds come out, well you just lost about 500k damage that wont be coming back! I also find that the routine casts halo regardless of distance settings (may be a bug, not sure)
DPS POTIONS use these manually also. Using on BL when we are not in execute phase is silly and a waste of 1k intellect. Use your 2nd dps potion under 20% with your trinkets/ring procs, will increase your finishing dps a lot.
HOT-KEYS Can't stress this enough, millz has a lot of great toggle settings (including the rotation itself mid fight) I actually switch to COP standard to kill an add or two and rotate back to coplite to avoid fighting the routines casts
BE PREEMPTIVE We have awesome addons like DBM/VEM/Weakauras which have timers that allow us to be preemptive with our casts and cooldowns. Don't blow a potion if you're about to switch phases and stuff like that, always make sure you'll be geting the most out of your self casted buffs. 100% uptime and usage should always be considered. Weakauras in particular is amazing for tracking your internal CDs like your ring proc. (That is effectively a DPS potion for 10 seconds) why wouldn't you use something else on top of it? right?
I have not added settings files like Xed just for the simple fact that i honestly never change anything throughout BRF, only talents and the occasional rotation change for an add kill or buffed execute phase (sieges on blackhand or something)
These small things are what i believe pushed me into the 95-99th percentile It's all about playing as flawlessly as you can and maximizing every single ability you have access to. I think a lot of us just expect the routine to run while we are alt tabbed and be ranking #1 on every fight, would be nice but it involves a fair amount of manual intervention to get the best results, and practice!
I really hope this helps a bit man, I just realized how much i bloody typed! But I found a play style that works for me in BRF, and i wanted to share it with some of you. I think it will work well for you as well. if you have any specific questions feel free to message me and I'll do my best to give you a hand.
Cheers.
OH AND PS. Don't take your DPS on wipes as gospel. Your DPS on kills is what you need to be looking at. Skada on wipes will make you feel bad since our DPS ticks down into the 20s even if we were sitting at 40k on a wipe. Only consider your finishing DPS on kills. As i said we have the strongest execute in the game, i literally go up 4-5k at the end of a fight and pass most of my guildies. If your group is not reaching the last phase and blaming you for bad dps. Tell them to get fucked, they don't understand how the class works
Cheers for the info mate, yeah we downed 3 bosses lastnight Operator, Flame and fanz. i was switching between CoP and Void a bit add dependant but will try your setup. thanks again
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@Derogatory - Some cool info you've posted, nice to see.
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Finalllyyy someone who had the time to type down all of this ! Im doing totaly as u are and yeah u are pushing realy fair if u doing some things manualy. U cant as u said toggle on everything automatic and lay back and think u gonna push the insane numbers , Using the cds correctly and swap between Coplite and standard depending on the encounter will increese your dps .
I just got a question for u about AS since ive not got the right gear yett but close . And yeah you 29 % with crit trinket should be by theory the best dps output on most fights with 2 or more targets so kinda most of the fights . Are u still going for Cop over as on most fights ?
I just got a question for u about AS since ive not got the right gear yett but close . And yeah you 29 % with crit trinket should be by theory the best dps output on most fights with 2 or more targets so kinda most of the fights . Are u still going for Cop over as on most fights ?
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Iron maidens is virtually the only fight I use AS on.
Other than that CoP is still the best choice. And i don't see that changing with perhaps the exception of VEnt when it is buffed, though on PTR it still seems a weak choice in comparison to the other two. I would say the bare minimum for AS critwise is 18-20% unbuffed. So with mage buff and your weapon enchant you'll be sitting on around 30%. very strong then.
Hi! i have 50% mastery 12.2 crit and 10 hast. all gems and chants - mastery. whether it makes sense to change all crit ( chant gems) and use COP lite? My dps very unstable, and I can not understand from what it depends. ilvl 675 , dps 28 - 37k, is mainly used Cop lite or Twist Of Fate
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Hey - Have a little read of this: https://www.thebuddyforum.com/thebu...-routine-pve-pvp-post1832400.html#post1832400
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Just another quick fix needed, I mentioned before some LoS issues on Oregororogor or whatever his name is. I've noticed while doing my heroic run that the little piles on the ground on Blackhand are classes as LoS to the CR. But you can still cast through them, you know the ones that you hide behind when you're focused. Other than that I'm loving the CR again, the new CoPlite meta works so well!
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Hey - Thanks for the report, I've already caught that one - disable LoS on blackhand - will be in the next build.
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Awesome dude! I don't have time to read every post so I thought I'd just mention it to make sure. Keep up the awesome work!