Oracle - Open Beta [CC]

[wulf]

Wulf, update on speed.
Using Tyrael 320, Orcale 302, HB 699. Playing with framelock has improved again, thanks for that. It's mostly playable in LFR now, except some fights. Thok and Garrosh have too much impact on fps, I need to disable framelock to even be able to move out of AoE and stuff. Otherwise my screen freezes for one or two secs completely. I do belive it has to do with certain function calls, because the fps is not constantly low. I dances from 8 to 45 to 10 to 50 to 15 to 30 to 50 and so on... really unstable.
Overall it has improved though. I still see HB uses 40-50% (!) cpu while in heavy fights, while idle (before fight) it's about 11%. This used to be 0% idle and 2% in heavy fights though.
Hope Raphus / Natfoth can improve framelocking much the coming days.

/edit: When in heavy fights during Thok and framelock on, even the HB window freezes and does not update, nor is clickable. When things cool down, it reacts again. When it's unclickable I drop below 10 fps too, and cpu usage above 40% for HB.
/edit2: Using Leaves (Paid CR by Mirabis) now. I'm sorry to say (and Kudos to Mirabis) this is performing very well. No lag, no stutters. Occasionally fps drop to 20, but cpu usage of HB is nice and low. This is probably the difference in how the CR's are coded? I can imagine Oracle doing a lot more calculations, like predicted healing. Maybe you guys can team up

Al right...i have listened to the QQ of Oracles performance long enough ^^ Ill not have a paid CR outperforming Oracle....!!!

Update Revision 303 - Oracle Performance Update.

Full Performance Overhaul..

If you can not get good FPS then its your machine!

I get 0 fps drop idle..and MAXIMUM 20fps drop under hard load..see screenshot for Minimum FPS. http://snag.gy/SKd3w.jpg

I want to hear good things...report back if you have SHIT performance, I need screenshot of before and after.

Wulf.

PS: Delete all settings and you Oracle folder in Routines..also delete compiled assemblies.

 

[Soeski]

Al right...i have listened to the QQ of Oracles performance long enough ^^ Ill not have a paid CR outperforming Oracle....!!!

Update Revision 303 - Oracle Performance Update.

Full Performance Overhaul..

If you can not get good FPS then its your machine!

I get 0 fps drop idle..and MAXIMUM 20fps drop under hard load..see screenshot for Minimum FPS. http://snag.gy/SKd3w.jpg

I want to hear good things...report back if you have SHIT performance, I need screenshot of before and after.

Wulf.

PS: Delete all settings and you Oracle folder in Routines..also delete compiled assemblies.

I'll get you a nice clean log file when I run in to trouble, or a report when I don't

 

[jet_xu2013]

have any one test Update Revision 303 in LFR with Thok and Garrosh?

 

[wulf]

have any one test Update Revision 303 in LFR with Thok and Garrosh?

Ive done Galkaras, Iron Juggernaut, Garrosh, Parragon's of the Klaxi tonight, all performed well.

 

[jet_xu2013]

Ive done Galkaras, Iron Juggernaut, Garrosh, Parragon's of the Klaxi tonight, all performed well.

thank you wulf,where i can download new version 303?
i can't find the download link from this thread...

 

[wulf]

thank you wulf,where i can download new version 303?
i can't find the download link from this thread...

You can use tortoiseSVN and use the SVN link in the first post.

 

[blacknightlll]

You can use tortoiseSVN and use the SVN link in the first post.

I dont thing it's just you. I tried using Waldo rogue cc last night an I was getting frame freeze every now and then. And I just rebuilt my comp 8 mo ago

 

[Soeski]

Wulf, attached a lot of files. This is what I did:
Cleared WoW completely (cache/WTF) - x86 of course
Clean HB (cache/Compiled/Settings) - Version 699 EU
Windows 8.1 x64
Tyrael 339, click to move enabled, chat output enabled.

Did LFR runs with my Shaman and my Monk.
While playing I played around with settings, also performance logging and tracing.
I stopped the bot mid fight, changed to Lazyraider started again. Same with Combat Bot and with Raidbot. performance wise not much difference in fps.
I changed the framelocking from 30 to 60 on the last fight (Thok), I was not able to turn it back to 30. Reason: HB window was completely frozen (bot kept going though).
50% of the time with all of this testing, the HB window is frozen and I cannot click it.
Most of the time, the cpu usage of HB is between 20-45%. WoW CU usage is steady at 33-45%.
I also tested without framelock. I saw the performance counters go up from 1ms parsing time to 100/200/500ms. That tells me framelocking is very important

Framerates General Nazgrim:
In fight: 8fps lowest, usually 17-30, max 45.
Out of combat, bot started: 45.
Out of combat, bot off: 60 (v-sync on), 89 (v-sync off)

Framerates Thok:
In fight: 17fps lowest, usually 25-30, max 57
Out of combat, bot started: 50.
Out of combat, bot off: 60 (v-sync on), 102 (v-sync off)

Things that I noticed:
It's very jerky when a lot of things happen, like AoE. It's also very unstable; one second I get 12fps, then next second 30 or more. I can also see it coming down though; when I have good fps, I can see it drop to 25/20/15/10 and then go up again. HB window stops responding. When back up at 30-40 again, HB window responds mostly. When I have low fps, the HB window freezes and I can't see anything special going on at that time. I do not know if logging continues at that time too.
When I turn off diagnostic logging in HB, and choose normal of none, I gain a few fps.
When I turn off ALL addons, I gain 1 or 2 fps, barely noticeable at all.
I did some tests with other CR's too, and their performance is not that much better. They just do not suffer from and unresponsive HB window or high CPU usage of HB, but fps wise about the same. Only; more stable.

As requested, see attached logs.

 

[Soeski]

I dont thing it's just you. I tried using Waldo rogue cc last night an I was getting frame freeze every now and then. And I just rebuilt my comp 8 mo ago

My guess is you're quoting the wrong post?
A lot of people are having issues with HB and framelocking, even Singular has massive fps drops. So the HB team has some work to do still.

 

[Unimatrix]

// Cache dat shit..

Thx for the caching shit wulf!

 

[bennyquest]

Soeski

You only get the fps drops since HB framelock was implemented correct? And you were not getting it before? Also your CPU usage was not high before HB framelock as well? If this is all true this not an oracle issue If you ask me anymore. My CPU usage while doing lfr garrosh for HB is less than 5%. Just some food for thought.

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[HyperMonkey]

Great job with latest update.. It's never been as fast as now!

 

[Botter4Life]

Been a few weeks since last run with Druid and Priest, did one last night and my frames dropped so badly I couldn't even walk, let alone cast, attempted two runs on lowest graphics. CPU usage was at about 20% which seems really high. Will check out this newer release hopefully it helps. I have a brand new system, and usually run 5 bots on Ultra @60 FPS each, must have something to do with HB frame lock or Tyreal?

 

[wulf]

Been a few weeks since last run with Druid and Priest, did one last night and my frames dropped so badly I couldn't even walk, let alone cast, attempted two runs on lowest graphics. CPU usage was at about 20% which seems really high. Will check out this newer release hopefully it helps. I have a brand new system, and usually run 5 bots on Ultra @60 FPS each, must have something to do with HB frame lock or Tyreal?

Yes Frame lock has been integrated into HB (you can see it in settings), if your using Tyrael update it as well as the framelock ability has been removed from Tyrael and the settings integrated to HB framelock. Latest Oracle 303 should perform very well.

 

[Botter4Life]

Yes Frame lock has been integrated into HB (you can see it in settings), if your using Tyrael update it as well as the framelock ability has been removed from Tyrael and the settings integrated to HB framelock. Latest Oracle 303 should perform very well.

Yes I see that, updated Tyreal and it is running much smoother. Haven't finished the Vault yet but my druid isn't popping swiftmend or mushrooms. Really love the rejuv blanketing though <3 will get you a log once finished

 

[Soeski]

Soeski

You only get the fps drops since HB framelock was implemented correct? And you were not getting it before? Also your CPU usage was not high before HB framelock as well? If this is all true this not an oracle issue If you ask me anymore. My CPU usage while doing lfr garrosh for HB is less than 5%. Just some food for thought.

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All true indeed. Thing is, with Oracle my HB cpu usage is high (35-40% at times). With other CR's, it's still higher than it was but "only" 10-20%. I used to have 2%, maybe 5% in heavy fights.
Even when I turn off framelock now with Oracle, I still get a cpu usage of 20% with Oracle.
With framelock on, Leaves, Portal/Demonic and TuanHA still get me 30+fps with lower cpu usage.

What kind of beastly CPU are you using then? I figured a Core i5-2500K @4,16GHz should be able to do some serious work. Do we need a Core i7-4700K nowadays to use Oracle framelocked @ 30tps?
I'm "working" with Wulf to a solution, but the problem is that he's unable to reproduce it. He also got a low cpu usage on HB with framelock on. I tested my Windows 8 / 8.1 and 7 systems, and they show the same results. I tested different versions of Tyrael, different settings etc etc, always the same results: high cpu usage of HB. And then some; if my cpu is not fast enough anymore, why is it not fully loaded then @ 100%?

What I am actually saying is: What the h*ll can I do to get it to work flawlessly again, like it used to with HB 697? I'm going to try HB 702 now, see if that changes anything...

 

[bennyquest]

All true indeed. Thing is, with Oracle my HB cpu usage is high (35-40% at times). With other CR's, it's still higher than it was but "only" 10-20%. I used to have 2%, maybe 5% in heavy fights.
Even when I turn off framelock now with Oracle, I still get a cpu usage of 20% with Oracle.
With framelock on, Leaves, Portal/Demonic and TuanHA still get me 30+fps with lower cpu usage.

What kind of beastly CPU are you using then? I figured a Core i5-2500K @4,16GHz should be able to do some serious work. Do we need a Core i7-4700K nowadays to use Oracle framelocked @ 30tps?
I'm "working" with Wulf to a solution, but the problem is that he's unable to reproduce it. He also got a low cpu usage on HB with framelock on. I tested my Windows 8 / 8.1 and 7 systems, and they show the same results. I tested different versions of Tyrael, different settings etc etc, always the same results: high cpu usage of HB. And then some; if my cpu is not fast enough anymore, why is it not fully loaded then @ 100%?

What I am actually saying is: What the h*ll can I do to get it to work flawlessly again, like it used to with HB 697? I'm going to try HB 702 now, see if that changes anything...

Ironically I am not using a beastly CPU...per say.... Dual Xeon 2.6 true quad cores. So server processors. You said you are getting fps drops on windows 7 systems as well?

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[wulf]

Yes I see that, updated Tyreal and it is running much smoother. Haven't finished the Vault yet but my druid isn't popping swiftmend or mushrooms. Really love the rejuv blanketing though <3 will get you a log once finished

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[wulf]

All true indeed. Thing is, with Oracle my HB cpu usage is high (35-40% at times). With other CR's, it's still higher than it was but "only" 10-20%. I used to have 2%, maybe 5% in heavy fights.
Even when I turn off framelock now with Oracle, I still get a cpu usage of 20% with Oracle.
With framelock on, Leaves, Portal/Demonic and TuanHA still get me 30+fps with lower cpu usage.

What kind of beastly CPU are you using then? I figured a Core i5-2500K @4,16GHz should be able to do some serious work. Do we need a Core i7-4700K nowadays to use Oracle framelocked @ 30tps?
I'm "working" with Wulf to a solution, but the problem is that he's unable to reproduce it. He also got a low cpu usage on HB with framelock on. I tested my Windows 8 / 8.1 and 7 systems, and they show the same results. I tested different versions of Tyrael, different settings etc etc, always the same results: high cpu usage of HB. And then some; if my cpu is not fast enough anymore, why is it not fully loaded then @ 100%?

What I am actually saying is: What the h*ll can I do to get it to work flawlessly again, like it used to with HB 697? I'm going to try HB 702 now, see if that changes anything...

What's strange is I looked at your Logs - the Thock Encounter specificly - and Oracle is not taking anymore than 17ms to traverse the tree and Pulse never gets above 1000ms (I have it log if it does)..so Oracle as it is now is very very fast to run the logic.

In 1 frame thats 17ms*TPS(30) = 510ms worse case. that def fits into a single 1000ms framelock.

I will do some more testing tonight.

 

[macVsog]

All true indeed. Thing is, with Oracle my HB cpu usage is high (35-40% at times). With other CR's, it's still higher than it was but "only" 10-20%. I used to have 2%, maybe 5% in heavy fights.
Even when I turn off framelock now with Oracle, I still get a cpu usage of 20% with Oracle.
With framelock on, Leaves, Portal/Demonic and TuanHA still get me 30+fps with lower cpu usage.

What kind of beastly CPU are you using then? I figured a Core i5-2500K @4,16GHz should be able to do some serious work. Do we need a Core i7-4700K nowadays to use Oracle framelocked @ 30tps?
I'm "working" with Wulf to a solution, but the problem is that he's unable to reproduce it. He also got a low cpu usage on HB with framelock on. I tested my Windows 8 / 8.1 and 7 systems, and they show the same results. I tested different versions of Tyrael, different settings etc etc, always the same results: high cpu usage of HB. And then some; if my cpu is not fast enough anymore, why is it not fully loaded then @ 100%?

What I am actually saying is: What the h*ll can I do to get it to work flawlessly again, like it used to with HB 697? I'm going to try HB 702 now, see if that changes anything...

That is odd. An i5 should be more than enough. I have an i7-4700K with no OC and my CPU utilization on heavy fights are always between 3-8% depending on the encounter using Oracle.