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[PAID] Oracle II - Premium [All in One]

With disc priest I always go OOM very early in the fight. I have 8k spirit, 2 mana trinks, and have tried turning off atonement, lowering all heals to way lower then they should have to be.. ect, but I always go OOM. I also come in 3-5 place very often in lfr which is sad. My ilvl isnt great but it is basically full lfr 531 ilvl. If you could take a look at my log and tell me what you think the issue is that would be awesome! At he moment it does not matter if I perform very well, but once 6.0 comes out and HB is functional again I will be using this to heal in my raid which is doing heroics in SOO and moving into WOD raids in December.. gods willing that HB works by then.

Log
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Settings
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For now I just want to get it to work in 25 man lfr.. once I get it to that point I can adjust the healing numbers according to 10 man.. unless the play style completely changes which I dont see that happening.

For archangel it is configurable when you use it IE you can set it so it never uses it thus keeping your stacks and then you can use it manually.

explain more in depth as to why you would want all three to be used at same time and situational reasons to that as well. Granted when I know a big aoe dmg phase is coming to use all three myself, but it will be hard to do this with the bot as it does not know the damage is incoming....or does it know.....

All's well that Heals well,
Bennyquest
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I would almost always rather have Inner Focus for aoe healing than single target. If IF had like a 15 second cooldown I could see using it for single target heals, and aoe heals but with it have a longer cooldown fo 45 second I see it better used for aoe only (you get the most bang for your buck).
 
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lckwjl said:
With disc priest I always go OOM very early in the fight. I have 8k spirit, 2 mana trinks, and have tried turning off atonement, lowering all heals to way lower then they should have to be.. ect, but I always go OOM. I also come in 3-5 place very often in lfr which is sad. My ilvl isnt great but it is basically full lfr 531 ilvl. If you could take a look at my log and tell me what you think the issue is that would be awesome! At he moment it does not matter if I perform very well, but once 6.0 comes out and HB is functional again I will be using this to heal in my raid which is doing heroics in SOO and moving into WOD raids in December.. gods willing that HB works by then.

Log
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Settings
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For now I just want to get it to work in 25 man lfr.. once I get it to that point I can adjust the healing numbers according to 10 man.. unless the play style completely changes which I dont see that happening.



I would almost always rather have Inner Focus for aoe healing than single target. If IF had like a 15 second cooldown I could see using it for single target heals, and aoe heals but with it have a longer cooldown fo 45 second I see it better used for aoe only (you get the most bang for your buck).
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First off, what talents are you using? And with LFR you will prolly OOM no mater what as it will want to do more AOE healing vs atonement healing. Another thing to change settings wise for LFR tuning would be to change settings for archangel since that eats up a lot of your mana because you do not have reduced smites. I do not have an LFR settings out and I am currently at work so I cannot look at yours and see how they are doing. Also, how are you stats looking what are you reforging for? In my current 10m raid I heal in I have like 10.8k spirit because I cannot reforge out of more. I am happy with where my mana regen is and could be lower. One reason it is that high though is because of the AMP trinkets as well.

I hope this answered your questions.

All's well that Heals well,
Bennyquest
 
Will Oracle II be updated for WoD? Curious if it is worth buying now before WoD or if I should wait for a new WoD version?
 
bennyquest said:
First off, what talents are you using? And with LFR you will prolly OOM no mater what as it will want to do more AOE healing vs atonement healing. Another thing to change settings wise for LFR tuning would be to change settings for archangel since that eats up a lot of your mana because you do not have reduced smites. I do not have an LFR settings out and I am currently at work so I cannot look at yours and see how they are doing. Also, how are you stats looking what are you reforging for? In my current 10m raid I heal in I have like 10.8k spirit because I cannot reforge out of more. I am happy with where my mana regen is and could be lower. One reason it is that high though is because of the AMP trinkets as well.

I hope this answered your questions.

All's well that Heals well,
Bennyquest
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8k spirit, 28% mastery, 28% crt, 5% hate, 34k sp (ilvl531)
Trinks are bad.. 3min cd 29k mana trink, and a 1min 30 sec 5.7k spirit trink

Haven't gotten to test in 10 man yet.


idk if you saw this but this was a response to our conversation a few pages back:
I would almost always rather have Inner Focus for aoe healing than single target. If IF had like a 15 second cooldown I could see using it for single target heals, and aoe heals but with it have a longer cooldown fo 45 second I see it better used for aoe only (you get the most bang for your buck).
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lckwjl said:
8k spirit, 28% mastery, 28% crt, 5% hate, 34k sp (ilvl531)
Trinks are bad.. 3min cd 29k mana trink, and a 1min 30 sec 5.7k spirit trink

Haven't gotten to test in 10 man yet.


idk if you saw this but this was a response to our conversation a few pages back:
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The inner focus thing is already in there is a setting for it inner focus with GH or inner focus with PoH
 
lckwjl said:
8k spirit, 28% mastery, 28% crt, 5% hate, 34k sp (ilvl531)
Trinks are bad.. 3min cd 29k mana trink, and a 1min 30 sec 5.7k spirit trink

Haven't gotten to test in 10 man yet.
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@ 10man you can easy get 8-9k spirit /// 25man you need like 12k oc2 does a great job for disc priest with the (BIS)trinkets
so get a little more spirit and you will be good
no more oom for u i tested 10man/25 hc and it works fine
 
Quote Originally Posted by lckwjl View Post
8k spirit, 28% mastery, 28% crt, 5% hate, 34k sp (ilvl531)
Trinks are bad.. 3min cd 29k mana trink, and a 1min 30 sec 5.7k spirit trink

Haven't gotten to test in 10 man yet.

i also just started playing with my disc more so hopefully can give some opinions on your setup. These CR's are way more responsive than a mediocre human player especially in LFR so you will end up WAY outperforming everyone else your ilvl but essentially doing 40% of the raid's healing because you're beating almost all the other players to the punch and topping people off before they get a chance to heal, then you go OOM and can only slowly cast single heal and smite and the other healers start to catch up until your next mindbender is out. I just started regular SOO last week in full prideful and had exactly the same problem. I copied the reforge and gems of the top disc priests from blood legion, method, etc. and it absolutely doesn't work for low ILVL. With bad regen trinkets, I had to go way higher spirit than the high ranked disc priests I looked up. I think there's some point where crit gets high enough you get so much aegis shields up, it can slow down how much you need to cast. even though it doesn't directly give back mana like a resto shm does, I think crit is almost like a mana regen stat indirectly for a disc who uses atonement healing.

your crit is only 28% - the geared players are pushing 50% raid buffed, even more during CD's for heavy raid damage (shields are flying everywhere). you're getting minimal shields up compared to the geared players. i was failing miserably initially from OOM so i regemmed and reforged EVERYTHING to spirit except for CRIT. I think I got up to like 14k spirit barely at 550 ilvl, which most geared players will tell you is way too high, but they don't mention they're pushing 50% crit rate. even with crap haste and mastery, O2 is so fast and responsive, I'm doing MUCH better at full spirit build for now. Since last week, I sent over a 569 BOA staff from another twink, got the Sha 553 -> 569 trinket, and the static prideful 2k spirit trinket. This gave me enough leeway to start reforging out of spirit into more Crit - i think i'm down to 11.5k spirit now and my mana holds up just like it did at 14k since i'm criting and building shields a lot more often. Less players dip below your thresholds set for O2 and the CR casts less = you have more mana.

so at your ilvl and doing LFR's where the average player skill level and response time is horrible, I would go all out Spirit and keep reforging each week you clear LFR or Flex and get more gear. I'm loving disc now, kinda wished I did this as my first healer instead of last.

oh and btw, the static ~2k prideful trinket, nets way more spirit over time than your 90sec ICD 5.7k spirit trinket (it's 15 sec proc?). until you get more gear, this might be a worthy and easy upgrade to get, just several arena matches and you'll have a big, consistent spirit boost over your current trinket.
 
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Thanks for the responses guys! We got a nice little community going here.. hopefully it stays like this into WOD
 
slator said:
Were you able to discern anything from the log you asked me to post? It's not doing anything for chomp with PG logic turned on and everything else to defaults
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Here's a couple more fail PG attempts for Holy Paladin... can't even beat wave 5 on gold :(

It has no answer for chomp. The target's health slowly dwindles down until it reaches the threshold for hand of protection, then that removes chomp for wave 2-3. on wave 5 with 2 chomps, it doesn't stand a chance. i'm wiping with almost full mana. Please provide some support as PG is the only reason I purchased this routine.
 

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slator said:
Here's a couple more fail PG attempts for Holy Paladin... can't even beat wave 5 on gold :(

It has no answer for chomp. The target's health slowly dwindles down until it reaches the threshold for hand of protection, then that removes chomp for wave 2-3. on wave 5 with 2 chomps, it doesn't stand a chance. i'm wiping with almost full mana. Please provide some support as PG is the only reason I purchased this routine.
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In the middle of a massive re-write for WoD I'm moving from behaviour tree to coroutine to stay inline with HB recommendations and to increase performance and frame rates even more. I only have Holy Priest and Disc to go should be done by the weekend.

Mnipper mentioned he may do some PG now that he has raid dialled in.

I personally cannot look into this until the weekend but when I last tested I used sacred shield for PG it was much easier to get through the waves.

I haven't forgotten about you, and will look into this as soon as I can.
 
Can we pls pls have a profile for disc priest for challenge modes? I get oom very fast in a bossfight, I know I gonna get oom faster becuse I stack alot of int. But not so fast into a fight. after fight I have no problem to amber me. But I cant tweak it becuuse I have to little knowlege of priest and healing. So pls can u guys put a profile for this in settings? Cheers!
 
Yay WoD rewrite! cant wait to see how it turns out :)
Something to keep in mind is that holy will be the easier of the two specs for priest to start off, raid wise, in wod. Better numbers for what we will have as far as everything I have been reading and hearing
 
[OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: OMG What a bad reaction time

[14:03:16.526 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 4942.2827 ms.
[14:03:16.585 N] [OracleII]: Casting Renewing Mist on Lvl 90 Horde Paladin at 17.3 yds at 100.0% to maintain Renewing Mist
[14:03:24.697 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1703.0974 ms.
[14:03:25.912 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1188.0679 ms.
[14:03:28.493 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1355.0775 ms.
[14:03:28.506 N] [OracleII]: Casting Renewing Mist on Lvl 90 Horde Paladin at 17.0 yds at 100.0% to maintain Renewing Mist
[14:03:30.701 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1512.0865 ms.
[14:03:31.925 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1200.0687 ms.
[14:03:33.051 N] [OracleII]: Casting Chi Wave on Lvl 90 Horde Monk at 0.0 yds at 100.0% to keep Chi Wave on cooldown
[14:03:34.285 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1174.0672 ms.
[14:03:34.320 N] [OracleII]: Casting Uplift on Lvl 90 Horde Paladin at 17.0 yds at 100.0% Uplift Overide
[14:03:35.809 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1272.0728 ms.
[14:03:36.986 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1131.0647 ms.
[14:03:37.010 N] [OracleII]: Casting Renewing Mist on Lvl 90 Horde Monk at 0.0 yds at 100.0% to maintain Renewing Mist
[14:03:38.571 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1362.0779 ms.
[14:03:40.755 N] [OracleII]: Casting Thunder Focus Tea on Lvl 90 Horde Monk at 0.0 yds at 100.0% on Cooldown
[14:03:41.918 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1113.0636 ms.
[14:03:43.133 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1181.0675 ms.
[14:03:44.383 N] [OracleII]: Warning Pulse Took: 1130.0646 ms.

BUT my Ping is 21ms and World ping is 38ms!!!!

More at the log File!
What can i do?

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Please Help!
Flo

PS: HORRIBLE OVERHEAL with original PVE Raid setting

Skada: Gesamte Heilung für Tsulong: (5 Min. 20 Sek.):
1. S........ 26.16M / 18.49M
2. D........ 18.36M / 17.63M
3. W........ 15.15M / 13.29M
4. THATS ME. 14.94M / 82.48M !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5. U........ 10.71M / 7.18M
and so on


Same Char, same Equip, but with TuanHAMonkSpecialEdition Standard Raid Settings

Gesamte Heilung für Tsulong: (7 Min. 13 Sek.):
1. Thats Me 33.64M / 37.85M
2. R........ 25.28M / 18.35M
3. P........ 23.49M / 18.74M
4. H........ 19.19M / 14.21M
5. K....... 9.74M / 5.52M
and so on
 
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wikki74 said:
Turn Framelock on
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So Nice, but its the same!!!!


What reports the PURCHASED ROUTINE at Boss Lands? Or on which Response the bot waits by the shop routine of the Bossland servers????
 
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slator said:
Here's a couple more fail PG attempts for Holy Paladin... can't even beat wave 5 on gold :(

It has no answer for chomp. The target's health slowly dwindles down until it reaches the threshold for hand of protection, then that removes chomp for wave 2-3. on wave 5 with 2 chomps, it doesn't stand a chance. i'm wiping with almost full mana. Please provide some support as PG is the only reason I purchased this routine.
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Hey there, I'll be working on it today, but, unlike the other healers' PGs, stuns and interrupts are required in order to beat Endless 30+ waves. I'll post later today when I have some workable settings.
 
Rasch said:
[14:03:16.526 N]
BUT my Ping is 21ms and World ping is 38ms!!!!

More at the log File!
What can i do?

View attachment 144730

Please Help!
Flo

PS: HORRIBLE OVERHEAL with original PVE Raid setting

Skada: Gesamte Heilung für Tsulong: (5 Min. 20 Sek.):
1. S........ 26.16M / 18.49M
2. D........ 18.36M / 17.63M
3. W........ 15.15M / 13.29M
4. THATS ME. 14.94M / 82.48M !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5. U........ 10.71M / 7.18M
and so on


Same Char, same Equip, but with TuanHAMonkSpecialEdition Standard Raid Settings

Gesamte Heilung für Tsulong: (7 Min. 13 Sek.):
1. Thats Me 33.64M / 37.85M
2. R........ 25.28M / 18.35M
3. P........ 23.49M / 18.74M
4. H........ 19.19M / 14.21M
5. K....... 9.74M / 5.52M
and so on
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Are you asking for special boss logic for Tsulong? I believe that's probably the only difference in the 2 parses are healing done to Tsulong. In my opinion, probably adding code to support a boss almost 2 raids ago, with the chance to slow down the entire routine might not be worth it. I don't know coding, but seems like the more bloated with old, outdated raid encounters this CR gets, I wonder if it would start to slow things down in general.
 
mnipper said:
Are you asking for special boss logic for Tsulong? I believe that's probably the only difference in the 2 parses are healing done to Tsulong. In my opinion, probably adding code to support a boss almost 2 raids ago, with the chance to slow down the entire routine might not be worth it. I don't know coding, but seems like the more bloated with old, outdated raid encounters this CR gets, I wonder if it would start to slow things down in general.
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No, I ask NOT for a Boss logic for Tsoulong !!!

I wonder what makes the purchased routine so slow in response to the BollandServern ???

Are the servers for completely overloaded?

And if the buyed routines to Bosslands reports, what they reports?
 
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