Keeping Blizzard out of the forums for good (maybe)

[face21]

Hey I am mostly writing this to the devs of Honorbuddy or maybe their legal department, it doesn't really matter to me who answers just want to know if this would work to stop blizzard. So I used to use a hack program back like about 3 years ago, I forget the name but it doesn't matter. So on that site for the hack that allowed Flying, water walking, no clip, super speed, really anything that allowed you to ignore game mechanics they were involved in, they had a thing that I thought was a smart idea if it works like they had me to believe. Every time you sign in on the sight it had a message with I agree and I disagree buttons pop up and every time the program started it had the same message. The message stated something like "I agree that I am in no way affiliated with blizzard, world of Warcraft game development, or any other organization dedicated to the development and security of world of Warcraft, and I also agree that I will not deconstruct or compile all or any component of this program ect. ect." you kinda see what I am getting at, I don't remember the whole thing but it seems to me that you should get your legal department to make up something like that and you sign everyone out of the site every 3 days and make them sign back in and when they sign in they have to agree to that and maybe have it as the site header as well and make it where it comes up when starting up HB and you have to agree to it before downloading each HB update by clicking agree or disagree. I don't know if that's possible for you to do or if it would be enough to keep blizz out by creating a legal barrier but it just seemed like a good idea.

 

[face21]

No Opinions?

 

[buddycon]

Although its a nice idea, i dont think it would ever hold water if actually put to the test. Blizz has their own legal spiel which you accept every time you install/update the game which has specific clauses against software such as HB. If it ever went to court im sure the law would side with the game developers over the people exploiting the game. <paranoid mode>It's funny though because it only occurred to me earlier that if i were blizz i would have forums like this on my bookmark list in order to see how to overcome the problem </Paranoid mode>

 

[Liferose]

That wouldn't really do anything, and Blizzard isn't going to gain a wealth of knowledge about anything on the forums. The only things that would have some merit, if any, is the bot uptime, botting files, and profiles if your tinfoil hat is on hard enough. All of which really wouldn't stop them anyway; they're choosing the slow and painful legal route. If they wanted to kill the bot using technical reasons they could have sunk probably equal amounts of money into upping their security and detection already.

 

[face21]

Although its a nice idea, i dont think it would ever hold water if actually put to the test. Blizz has their own legal spiel which you accept every time you install/update the game which has specific clauses against software such as HB. If it ever went to court im sure the law would side with the game developers over the people exploiting the game. <paranoid mode>It's funny though because it only occurred to me earlier that if i were blizz i would have forums like this on my bookmark list in order to see how to overcome the problem </Paranoid mode>

I think blizzard may have legal things about their own products but cant make blanket statements about future programs that are standalone and dont use blizzard code to run.

 

[face21]

Wow-infinity was the hack by the way I just thought of it.

 

[AknA]

Well, it's just like Blizzard ToS, do you care about the ToS, I guess not as you are botting, when you accept the ToS you agree to not use any botting/hacking program, are you doing anything that breaks the law because you still use a bot, no...
So would be the same thing in this case, kinda.

 

[webhond]

it wont make a difference since their rule states that they dont have to tell you a reason to ban you
nor would they have to tell you what they do / did to figure out what you did. So if they use or dont use
the bot, access the forum, and they are... or not, it wont make a difference with some legal agreement.

 

[face21]

it does make a difference actually, for one, blizzard has a lot to lose when they break the law, they can be sued for going against laws, and just because botting is against the rules doesnt mean anything to me I am a single person and no one is gonna look twice as to whether or not I cheat in a game however if the reward is thousands of dollars in damages because they falsified a claim in order to get the upper hand on bots then they wont go near it.

 

[Dannarchy]

it does make a difference actually, for one, blizzard has a lot to lose when they break the law, they can be sued for going against laws, and just because botting is against the rules doesnt mean anything to me I am a single person and no one is gonna look twice as to whether or not I cheat in a game however if the reward is thousands of dollars in damages because they falsified a claim in order to get the upper hand on bots then they wont go near it.

What law would they be breaking?

 

[razer]

Sorry to say Face but people with money will always dominate this world. Blizzard can do what ever they want with there game, ban you for anything. People get banned all over the place and they dont even bot, friend of mine got banned after he got realm first their reply was " you cheated"

 

[face21]

Sorry to say Face but people with money will always dominate this world. Blizzard can do what ever they want with there game, ban you for anything. People get banned all over the place and they dont even bot, friend of mine got banned after he got realm first their reply was " you cheated"

they dont just randomly target people though, we are many fighting one entity, they are one fighting many, the strength is in the numbers if they only had one person to watch it would be different. I believe wowinfinity was able to keep them away from them by using that same method, at this point I wouldnt be surprised if some of these hardcore hb followers are so hard core to throw people off from knowing they are blizzard while at the same time shooting down some of the ideas that may screw them over and saying its a stupid idea.

 

[Hat 1]

That wouldn't really do anything, and Blizzard isn't going to gain a wealth of knowledge about anything on the forums. The only things that would have some merit, if any, is the bot uptime, botting files, and profiles if your tinfoil hat is on hard enough. All of which really wouldn't stop them anyway; they're choosing the slow and painful legal route. If they wanted to kill the bot using technical reasons they could have sunk probably equal amounts of money into upping their security and detection already.

What you don't get is this blizzard is a corporation and they are govern by those laws when it comes to sueing the GB team... It is the same as Microsoft as well it stops them from sueing little company's over little things

If anything blizzard is playing it by the book they have to adhere to other laws as well like privacy as well this is where they can not do a mass detection of the bot by software and also stopping bots from loading as well

What is sad though if the Gather Buddy team loses is the higher the court they go less chance Bossland has a way to get out of paying blizzard if he loses

Blizzard would learn a lot of things in here if u ask me just by reading the bugs in the bot and then passing it on to the Gm Teams to say if u find a bot doing this then it is a bot

 

[webhond]

it does make a difference actually, for one, blizzard has a lot to lose when they break the law, they can be sued for going against laws, and just because botting is against the rules doesnt mean anything to me I am a single person and no one is gonna look twice as to whether or not I cheat in a game however if the reward is thousands of dollars in damages because they falsified a claim in order to get the upper hand on bots then they wont go near it.

Lol, they dont break the law and u cant just "make one" to keep em out of this forum or make sure they dont use what they see against us.

Who are yo u even kidding. Same as all those fanboys saying blizzard scans us and its illegal101omgwtfbbqsauce.

Be sure, a company like that, does what it wants in they're boundaries of the law. They wont break it since they will face millions
against em in a lawsuit.

The thing im wondering tho, is why we dont get any serious responses or debates on how terrible some parts of this bot are atm, probable detection in auto interrupts ( raiders ) , dev's that are being banned all over the place on new ip's and pc's and all that, and then especially from the devs. Seems like they are evading all questions like mad and respond to anything like its a blizzard blue post.

Blizzard allows us, keep that in mind. They allow us to be there, since we control the economy. Without the bots there is no economy, or at least a very very poor one. If they wanted us gone, its easy as fck im sure.

O and imo, the court case, is one big joke. Just to show either side, we are doing something. Is it business wise, or legit player wise, stock holders, you name it, idc. Its a facade. Doing nothing would make em lose way more then they would lose in having a 3 yr lawsuit.

Its a 13 euro game atm, a milking cow. Squeezed to the last drop. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[zonpan2lol]

Hi, please remember that ToS are in no way, at all, Laws. If they were then we all should be going to jail or have something on our criminal records. ToS are internal Laws for a service/product and often won't be recognized by legal entities to hold ground in a case.

Most of the cases Blizzard has won against botting companies is based on theft of intellectual property and such.

 

[webhond]

Hi, please remember that ToS are in no way, at all, Laws. If they were then we all should be going to jail or have something on our criminal records. ToS are internal Laws for a service/product and often won't be recognized by legal entities to hold ground in a case.

Most of the cases Blizzard has won against botting companies is based on theft of intellectual property and such.

Before someone says, they take my kidney... you agree to the fact that they can see, scan or whatever is said before you enter the game. You agree to the anti cheat agreement and all that. They state clearly what they do and dont. So whatever the law states in your country about that, you agreed / signed by clicking the accept link that you have no problem with it whatsoever.

 

[razer]

Web is right, You agree to a TOS if you use HB or any automotive program in use of playing WoW you break the TOS and blizzard can do what ever they want with your account or accounts. I remember when they was banning people for using the G11 keyboard macro's with delays.

They can take out HB when ever they want, but if they did it would destroy the game of WoW I am sure activision makes a hell of a lot more cash then bossland ever will. As I said get ready for Titan to be a very strict game for botters and at this rate of the HB dev team being all quiet, all I can say is something is up

They destroyed glider and pirox, im sure they can destroy hb as well.

 

[Giwin]

Web is right, You agree to a TOS if you use HB or any automotive program in use of playing WoW you break the TOS and blizzard can do what ever they want with your account or accounts. I remember when they was banning people for using the G11 keyboard macro's with delays.

They can take out HB when ever they want, but if they did it would destroy the game of WoW I am sure activision makes a hell of a lot more cash then bossland ever will. As I said get ready for Titan to be a very strict game for botters and at this rate of the HB dev team being all quiet, all I can say is something is up

They destroyed glider and pirox, im sure they can destroy hb as well.

The type of systems that HB uses can be passed onto other companies if they were taken down (MMOGlider's pathing system is basically the same/near to as HBs), however on Piroxbots you couldn't really covert a their file to any other very efficiently since it was a customized version of AutoIt.

I'm talking about keeping all the plugins, profiles etc and it would just be a matter of converting it... aslong as the new bot was also on the same principals and used XML tags when making profiles.

Like having an unofficial standard when making a bot lol, that way all profiles/plugins/routines created by any bot can be used by any other bot as long as it was being used for the same game ofcourse.

 

[face21]

No need to say anything else, it wouldn't really make a difference because we are going around in circles, you are gonna believe whatever and I will believe whatever, the only thing that would change this post or any of our minds is if one of the devs or legal department or something steps in. I seriously doubt it would happen, they are either busy working on HB or taking a break or just avoiding conversations like this in general as they always have since I have been a member. One thing is for sure though they know we are talking about this subject and aren't answering for whatever reason. I know this because when it comes time to ban someone on random posts they dont hesitate to do so within minutes. That tells me someone is always scrutinizing the posts with a magnifying glass. Maybe they are just tired of dealing with customers in general, I have had priv servers before and hired GM's so I wouldn't have to deal with people, with all the whining and problems. I only had 320ish people and I was going crazy. I can only imagine what its like to deal with the amount that HB has.

 

[zonpan2lol]

Before someone says, they take my kidney... you agree to the fact that they can see, scan or whatever is said before you enter the game. You agree to the anti cheat agreement and all that. They state clearly what they do and dont. So whatever the law states in your country about that, you agreed / signed by clicking the accept link that you have no problem with it whatsoever.

Correct, but what they do with my information has to be in compliance to their privacy policy or else it's considered spionage which is a crime.

What I was trying to say is despite giving permissions that doesn't mean they're allowed to break the law. You can make a girl sign a paper and then rape her and claim that she gave you authorization to rape her, you'd still be going to prison ^^

Trust me, I tried.