Kain (Dragoon Routine)

[stewiethecat]

this overlay would be great for monk and ninja as well

 

[zzxxcvcv]

Hi Exmortem, first of all great job doing this routine it looks promising but even so still need a little work. you could take a look at this extensive guide for dragoons.
http://suiko.guildwork.com/forum/threads/55a00e0f002aa87549187b7b-how-to-dragoon-3-0-dps-rotation-guide?page=1#55a00e0f002aa87549187b79
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/238845-How-to-Dragoon-Per-Second-A-DPS-Paradigm and see the best rotation and thoughts about this class.

Opener should be something like this:

Heavy Thrust -> Battle Litany + Blood for Blood ->

Impulse Drive Internal Release + Blood of the Dragon ->

Disembowel & Draconian Potion Of Strength -> Chaos Thrust ->

Power Surge + Leg Sweep -> 4th ->

Jump -> Phlebotomize -> Spineshatter Dive -> True Thrust -> Dragonfire Dive ->

Vorpal Thrust -> Life Surge + Geirskogul -> Full Thrust -> 4th -> Repeat.


Anyway keep it up! and i hope this guides help you to improve the rotation

 

[Exmortem]

Thanks zzxxcvcv, I have looked at those guides and the rotation is built around them; you'd have to let me know exactly where it's not doing something right. I know the rotation is still far from perfect, so i'll reread them and keep trying to fine tune it.

 

[zzxxcvcv]

well im not expert and its a bit hard to tell you whats exactly the thing is not working properly but skills in opener are casting in wrong order

 

[Burn]

Since openers are typically pretty different from regular rotations (for all classes), I've just been doing the openers manually with the Routine turned off, and then switching it on right as I finish the opener. That's worked pretty well for me so far.

 

[Exmortem]

Yeah, there are inherent problems with openers and routines.

• Determining if you're actually in an opener isn't as easy as it sounds. You have to check how long you've been in combat with a timer, and you also have to make sure that all abilities you're going to need are available. The constant pulsing and checking of those things makes a routine more CPU intensive then i'd like.
• The openers listed in those guides make use of Draconian potions. If someone doesn't have a Draconian potion it essentially moves every oGCD to the left in the rotation. For example, you would have to use Leg Sweep + Power Surge after Disembowel instead of a potion, that means every other oGCD after that won't be in the order the guide lists it.

With that being said, i'd like the rotation to be as close to perfect as possible; so i'll keep tweaking it till it is.

 

[hxx112]

Would it be possible to add a BotD toggle on the combat settings overlay as well. On fights like Ravana EX where there are a lot of transition periods, it sometimes uses BotD seconds before a phase change and wastes it.

Edit: also on rare occasions, when my heavy thrust buff runs out or is about to run out, and my next attack is chaos thrust, the overlay will say "flank" instead of "behind"

 

[Exmortem]

Would it be possible to add a BotD toggle on the combat settings overlay as well. On fights like Ravana EX where there are a lot of transition periods, it sometimes uses BotD seconds before a phase change and wastes it.

Edit: also on rare occasions, when my heavy thrust buff runs out or is about to run out, and my next attack is chaos thrust, the overlay will say "flank" instead of "behind"

I added the BotD toggle, and also made Chaos Thrust a higher priority than Heavy Thrust on the overlay; thanks for telling me. It's on the SVN.

Edit: I also changed settings with the oGCD times, can you please let me know if you're getting lower/higher dps please?

 

[stewiethecat]

I know most guides say 1 ct combo, and 1 ft combo so the debuffs and dots don't ever fall off the target. I changed this in the routine and tested it. and It does more dmg

 

[Exmortem]

I know most guides say 1 ct combo, and 1 ft combo so the debuffs and dots don't ever fall off the target. I changed this in the routine and tested it. and It does more dmg

Nice man, can you message it to me on skype so I can check it out? I'll be on later tonight.

 

[Exmortem]

Submitted another update. It has slight rotation tweaks and also includes a debug window, mainly to check oGCD stuff.

 

[hxx112]

BotD is being casted early on my dummy trials with the I-D-C combo chain. The script does Impulse Drive > BotD > Disembowel > Chaos Thrust > 4th Combo. If I'm not mistaken, it should be Impulse Drive > Disembowel > BotD > Chaos Thrust > 4th Combo to maximize BotD uptime. The T-T-T combo chain doesn't cast BotD early.

 

[Exmortem]

BotD is being casted early on my dummy trials with the I-D-C combo chain. The script does Impulse Drive > BotD > Disembowel > Chaos Thrust > 4th Combo. If I'm not mistaken, it should be Impulse Drive > Disembowel > BotD > Chaos Thrust > 4th Combo to maximize BotD uptime. The T-T-T combo chain doesn't cast BotD early.

Thanks fixing that. If you have skype, can you add me please? exmortem0

 

[hxx112]

Thanks fixing that. If you have skype, can you add me please? exmortem0

Hey, I don't really use Skype. I'll add if i ever install it again.

While running Alex normal tonight, I ran into another issue where around half the time, my BotD will cast after Chaos Thrust or Full Thrust instead of after the 2nd combo. This doesn't happen when I test it on dummies, but occurs sometimes when I go into dungeons/raids. It's probably just a personal ping issue so I went into the Ability file and changed the OnGcd check to > 500ms. I'll test it some more in dungeons/raids tomorrow to see if it occurs again.

 

[Exmortem]

Hey, I don't really use Skype. I'll add if i ever install it again.

While running Alex normal tonight, I ran into another issue where around half the time, my BotD will cast after Chaos Thrust or Full Thrust instead of after the 2nd combo. This doesn't happen when I test it on dummies, but occurs sometimes when I go into dungeons/raids. It's probably just a personal ping issue so I went into the Ability file and changed the OnGcd check to > 500ms. I'll test it some more in dungeons/raids tomorrow to see if it occurs again.

It happened for me on a dummy, thanks, i'll figure it out.

 

[kenzuro]

Yesss

 

[hxx112]

It happened for me on a dummy, thanks, i'll figure it out.

Another rare case similar to BotD being casted too late, this applies to Life Surge. What happens is, when my Life Surge applies too late, after the Full Thrust instead of the Vorpal Thrust, it'll recast Full Thrust again even though the next combo in the chain is the 4th combo. Example being: TT > VT > FT > Life Surge > FT > Lose 4th Combo. This only happens if Life Surge applies too late, it works perfectly fine if Life Surge works normally like most of the time.

 

[Exmortem]

Another rare case similar to BotD being casted too late, this applies to Life Surge. What happens is, when my Life Surge applies too late, after the Full Thrust instead of the Vorpal Thrust, it'll recast Full Thrust again even though the next combo in the chain is the 4th combo. Example being: TT > VT > FT > Life Surge > FT > Lose 4th Combo. This only happens if Life Surge applies too late, it works perfectly fine if Life Surge works normally like most of the time.

I pushed another update on the SVN; I changed how the rotation is coded quite a bit, if you wouldn't mind trying it.

 

[hxx112]

I pushed another update on the SVN; I changed how the rotation is coded quite a bit, if you wouldn't mind trying it.

It's casting Battle Litany with the toggle set off for it. Everything else seems to be working fine on my dummy trials. The previous bugs don't seem to happen anymore. I'm about to run it a few times in DGs.

 

[Exmortem]

It's casting Battle Litany with the toggle set off for it. Everything else seems to be working fine on my dummy trials. The previous bugs don't seem to happen anymore. I'm about to run it a few times in DGs.

Ah okay, i'll fix that real quick and push the update.

Edit: I also added a debug window, it'll show you the skill order it's using, and you can also adjust the GCD time (for users who understand). I won't be able to do much more work on the routine till Monday.