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it is all part of the plan... possibly
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As people have said, a TOKEN must FIRST be purchased with REAL money. So Blizzard does get money for it, in fact $5 more than they used to out of you, you’re just not the one paying for it anymore.
If you could purchase a token directly from the Blizzard shop with in game money, you’d be 100% correct, but this isn’t the case. The only way to buy a token with in game cash is if someone already paid real money for it.
1. Legit player wants Gold.
2. Botter wants gametime.
3. Legit player buys token for $20.
4. Botter buys token with gold.
It’s pretty simple man, you never give blizzard a dime, but your gametime you’re buying with gold is earning them an extra $5 a month. So they are not losing money, they’re actually making about 32% more than if you spent $15 a month on a subscription.
If you’re an accountant, this should be very easy to see and understand.
As people have said, a TOKEN must FIRST be purchased with REAL money. So Blizzard does get money for it, in fact $5 more than they used to out of you, you’re just not the one paying for it anymore.
If you could purchase a token directly from the Blizzard shop with in game money, you’d be 100% correct, but this isn’t the case. The only way to buy a token with in game cash is if someone already paid real money for it.
1. Legit player wants Gold.
2. Botter wants gametime.
3. Legit player buys token for $20.
4. Botter buys token with gold.
It’s pretty simple man, you never give blizzard a dime, but your gametime you’re buying with gold is earning them an extra $5 a month. So they are not losing money, they’re actually making about 32% more than if you spent $15 a month on a subscription.
If you’re an accountant, this should be very easy to see and understand.
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It's a little amusing to see how desperate and naive (some!) of the posters on this topic. It's very obvious that most of us posting here are botters and have these claims and conspiracies about blizzard to calm our minds and seize hope that times will get better.
Why would blizzard 'play' and try to make a profit of the 5-10% of the playerbase(botters) when that playerbase is making it way worse for the game overall. If that conspiracy were true, that Blizzard is just banning in ''sometimes'' and then purposely does not, why would they spend money banning officially the use of Honorbuddy in England and Germany?
Face the truth. The honorbuddy dev team is working as hard as they can to make a reliable product for all of us, which means we wont get banned. Blizzard have way more resources and are doing the opposite thing.
Why would blizzard 'play' and try to make a profit of the 5-10% of the playerbase(botters) when that playerbase is making it way worse for the game overall. If that conspiracy were true, that Blizzard is just banning in ''sometimes'' and then purposely does not, why would they spend money banning officially the use of Honorbuddy in England and Germany?
Face the truth. The honorbuddy dev team is working as hard as they can to make a reliable product for all of us, which means we wont get banned. Blizzard have way more resources and are doing the opposite thing.
Unfortunately, you are buying their crap. "As people have said" does not serve as a fail-proof argument.
That "market transparency" is not happening simply because their token Surplus is infinite. It's a MADE-UP economy; with apparent Player intervention, of course, but completely controlled and determined by Blizzard.
Let's try this again, in another way (hoping that people with a not-so-financial background can finally understand):
Step 1)Is there any legal proof provided by Blizzard that ALL TOKENS are previously bought with Real Money? The answer is NO.
Step 2) Why wouldn't they provide it, if that's true? Because this way, they can stabilize the economy as they want. They want to increase gold per token , reduce token numbers. They want to reduce Gold per Token, increase token numbers. It should be easily understandable that they DO alter the balance whenever they feel like it. (Actually, Blizzard has acknowledged that they could do).
Step 3) Once they are free from bots and goldsellers (all their recent efforts seems directly intended to crush them out of business due to limited supply of gold against Blizzard infinite supply) , they can set whichever $ / gold rate that they steem appropriate and good for Blizzard gold-selling.
TLDR: They want you to believe that statement you did. The reality is that is not true. Else, there would be transparency and official accounting on tokens and money obtained from them, which should be directly proportional to the buying rate (20$ per token). Don't look for that, cause you won't find it.
As a Blizz stock holder myself, I can absolutely ensure you that if they could find a way to "prove" that the Token has been a direct market success and has increased their revenue from subscriptions, they would ALWAYS do.
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So you see naive people in the coldblood logic here?
The posters here are proposing conclusions out of the facts, collected in the past years for Blizzard Entertainment here: The most of the events, mentioned here are real facts, not theorycrafting, not assumptions, neither theories.
Keep in mind, some of the folks here are not trolling geeks in their real life and have noticeable experience in the data analysis in their work fields, being it economic, math or any other.
For example, the "sometimes" bans conclusions are taken from the past Blizzard experience - why Blizz not banned HB in its most profitable period: Sept/Oct 2016 - for the first/second month after Legion launch? And they tried hard indeed - banned the most 32bit bots but HB in the middle of August, even detected and banwaved some of the 64bit tools as well. But they failed with the biggest competitor on the 3rd party market.
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''Coldblood logic.'' Oh god. What are you talking about? There has not been presented any evidence(facts) about Blizzards behaviour. No facts has been presented besides opinions, theories and assumptions. The only thing you are doing is asking questions and thereafter drawing conclusions without any evidence. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but you seem very naive.
If there is any facts, please PRESENT them instead of just talking. The FACT is no one is botting right now and no one has been doing it consistently for a very long time because of the ban waves and trip wires events.
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Mates, if you want to troll, up to you, Im not supposed to stop you
But if you are not, you may check the facts below:
All past banwaves are FACTS.
All Blizz marketing actions, like tokens, new games launches, Blizzcons, etcs are FACTS.
All periods w/o banwaves are FACTS as well.
Anything more?
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Mates, if you want to troll, up to you, Im not supposed to stop you
But if you are not, you may check the facts below:
All past banwaves are FACTS.
All Blizz marketing actions, like tokens, new games launches, Blizzcons, etcs are FACTS.
All periods w/o banwaves are FACTS as well.
Anything more?
So according to you I am trolling because I disagree with you? You are bullshitting all the way through. When I speak about facts it's your CONCLUSIONS that you INTERPRET based on those EVENTS that you call FACTS.
You might not be an employee from HB(who knows), but it's kinda obvious with your 3800 messages on this forum that you spreading your beliefs and 'serious and qualified' interpretations just so people can check out your products on the buddy store. It's kinda impossible to not see you on this forum in any topic. You see, that is not a FACT, it's an interpretation based on a fact. But damn, does anyone actually buy products to a service that doesn't operate 90% of it's time the last 2 months?
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Tensta.....you really are becoming a pain. And that's a fact.
You been around now how long less than 1 year by join date and you are the GURU of all FACTS.
Most of us been here for ions seeing the attacks and yes we make some assumptions based on patterns. Without working for Blizzard we must look at what is presented to us and make assumptions based on what we see. This holds true in anything in life to be honest. Scientist do the exact same thing when trying to determine how the universe works or how they create drugs. The come up with a belief and they test the belief to see if it holds water. This is what HB and members have done over the years. Yes there are varying opinions on various topics but this happens in science also so nothing new there. Let's just say the world would not be where it is today without making some assumptions and testing those against the system to see if it holds true. Evidence is presented with banwaves as to what has not worked. Eveidence is presented every time TW get's triggered and a banwave does not happen. In the botting world evidence is not a smoking bullet or the gun but the victims or absence thereof.
As for AION he does not need defending as he has contributed significantly over the years to the HB community in terms of scripts and advice. What have you done? Yes he has a store and yes he is trying to sell his work but in the end that helps the community because some of that money goes back to Bossland and helps him keep the bot going against lawsuits and updates. So unless you have something of TRUE value to contribute like TRUE knowledge then I would suggest you shut up and wait like the rest of us.
You been around now how long less than 1 year by join date and you are the GURU of all FACTS.
Most of us been here for ions seeing the attacks and yes we make some assumptions based on patterns. Without working for Blizzard we must look at what is presented to us and make assumptions based on what we see. This holds true in anything in life to be honest. Scientist do the exact same thing when trying to determine how the universe works or how they create drugs. The come up with a belief and they test the belief to see if it holds water. This is what HB and members have done over the years. Yes there are varying opinions on various topics but this happens in science also so nothing new there. Let's just say the world would not be where it is today without making some assumptions and testing those against the system to see if it holds true. Evidence is presented with banwaves as to what has not worked. Eveidence is presented every time TW get's triggered and a banwave does not happen. In the botting world evidence is not a smoking bullet or the gun but the victims or absence thereof.
As for AION he does not need defending as he has contributed significantly over the years to the HB community in terms of scripts and advice. What have you done? Yes he has a store and yes he is trying to sell his work but in the end that helps the community because some of that money goes back to Bossland and helps him keep the bot going against lawsuits and updates. So unless you have something of TRUE value to contribute like TRUE knowledge then I would suggest you shut up and wait like the rest of us.
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Lets talk about facts. You assume I have been around for a year because my FORUM account is one year old, while I have botted for way more years(2011).
Do you see what I did there? That is my point. You are just GUESSING and calling it 'facts', while it's pure bullshit which is pretty obvious with the amount of stacked banned accounts of yours I may assume. It pains me you actually think like Aion that you guys have any substantial/constructive to deliver while it's pure biased bullshit. Enjoy the horrible stay of HB, I left it months ago for The Noob Bot and I do not regret that at all.
Does not change the fact how pleasurable it is to read the desperate comments of yours and many others.
i am ignoring aion and his biased optimism... his products only sell if HB is working. this forum is filled with people that shares bullshit and lies to newcomers and casuals
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No I do not see. I did not go off your years I went off of your statement. You assume you know the truth also so you are also assuming. You do not know what we know from what we surmise.
However historically it is a generally accepted fact that theories are created and unless they can be disproved they are considered basically a fact. There are many elements of science that are this way today. So unless you can prove something then its actually your place to shut up and sit down. You have no grounds to bash someone unless you can prove the theory wrong.
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You assume wow botting have started with HB and will end with HB, right?
Maybe you should answer yourself a couple of questions:
Why people do bot WoW at all?
Till when people will bot WoW?
Nowadays, HB is no doubts the most sophisticated WoW bot on the 3rd party market, but if or once HB is out of the business, new bots would pop-up to fill this marketing niche, just because the market demands wow bots.
The same have happened several times already, with Glider, with Pirox and some other ones as well.
So now you are free to reconsider my optimism and realize when the WoW botting is gone - Either when WoW is gone or when Blizzard make the wow botting non-rewarding, aka remove the boring repeatable actions within WoW (which they are not going to remove ever!)
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So exactly how does the lawsuits play into that great plan?
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that would be true if banwaves where not monthly / every other month. Fact is Blizzard dont want bots no more they banning everyone no one can bot longer than 2 months without banned account. lucky to make it even a month. whats this the 5th banwave this year ?
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Exactly why lifetime keys where taken away. they knew it was coming to an end and needed a quick money grab. But for the yearly cost its not so bad so dont mind donating. but atleast make people aware its useless to bot due to banned before you get any good gear in game 
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If you said that Blizzard played with bans to their benefit such as timing them so that the minimalize the affect on the economy while maximizing bottom line profits then yeah I would agree but saying Blizzard working with Boss I don't buy into unless it's not voluntarily.
I have toyed with the thought process that Blizzard should have launched their own bot themselves and charged a fee for it then adjusted the economy to account for it. It would make botting uneconomical for farmers and given Blizzard a new revenue source. They could bulk the two together. They could levy certain restrictions such as dungeons and raids but use it for leveling of 2nd toons and on. Force people to level their first toon. This way they get a feel for the game but are not anguished by leveling multiple toons. Just a thought.
I have toyed with the thought process that Blizzard should have launched their own bot themselves and charged a fee for it then adjusted the economy to account for it. It would make botting uneconomical for farmers and given Blizzard a new revenue source. They could bulk the two together. They could levy certain restrictions such as dungeons and raids but use it for leveling of 2nd toons and on. Force people to level their first toon. This way they get a feel for the game but are not anguished by leveling multiple toons. Just a thought.
Everyone sit back and read what you write. Demon is right bliss did not help themselves by offering tokens for balance or game time. Yes I know someone has to pay real cash to post them on ah but if bottlers use our bottled gold it doesn't cost us a cent to play or even use the in-game store we just use out bottled gold to get what we want and bliss looses a crap ton of money for subs and game keys. So in reality if all bottlers did this that's millions a year bliss lost from bottlers. I say keep sticking bliss with the big dick I'm sure it hurts there bottom dollar
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