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Very detailed guide, gonna test the CoE+RoRG+Quetzalcoatl build, thanks a lot 

EDIT: I have amended the original guide to reflect this post.
That would be a good option!
It would be best with the Convention in Cube for Maximum Proc, so Avarice would likely be worn.
- According to D3Planner removing the F+R rings removes more than half of the DPS of Locust Swarm.
- However, without the F+R ring, but during a convention proc, it's 40% HIGHER than with F+R active and the +Poison damage.
- If you're doing higher Torments, the F+R will be better if you have to stop to kill bosses and rare packs often.
...But... Is the Convention better? There are 4 elements on WD, so 16 seconds total to go through them all. In a perfect world, Wormwood would proc the instant it changes to Poison but we know better... So 3 procs every 16 seconds with the extra 200% damage. In keeping with the theme of not attacking, just moving, the convention fits the build better overall.
There are many alternates for that matter...
- Stone of Jordan and Convention of Elements (As mentioned above)
- Wearing SoJ and Avarice Band, Cubed the Convention for maximum effect
- Swampland Wader SoJ build: 20% more Poison on pants, 20% more on Stone of Jordan
- Avarice and Stone of Jordan on character, RRoG on Cube and Swampland Wader pants instead of Arachyr's pants.
- SwampLand Wader Convention Build: 20% more poison on pants to work with the Convention Proc
- Avarice and Convention rings on character, RRoG on Cube and Swampland Wader pants instead of Arachyr's pants.
- Traveler's Pledge and Compass Rose: for 50% more CHD
- Traveler's Pledge amulet and Compass Rose ring, Either Convention, Avarice or SoJ in other ring slot/in cube.
- Traveler's Pledge, Compass Rose, SLW Pants, RRoG 50% CHD, 20% more Poison
- Traveler's Pledge amulet and Compass Rose ring, RRoG in cube, Avarice on character.
- etc, etc, etc. You get the idea.
Element Alternatives are there as well. In short, you can put an RRoG into the Cube and swap out any single piece from the 6p Set Bonus. Whether that's a Leoric's Crown, Grin Reaper, MageFists
- Fire Swarm Use the Swampland Raider setup for Rings and Cube, but instead of changing the Arachyr's Pants, replace the chest with a Cindercoat. You could also do Magefists instead of the Chest.
- Use Avarice Band on character with a Fire SoJ or use Convention of Element's. Change Locust Swarm to Fire Rune [Searing Locusts]. Might as well consider adding Wall of Death: Firewall in this case.
Other Alternates:
- Using a Quetzecoatl in the Cube and Creeping Death as a passive in the original build or the Ring Alternates
- Or you could wear the Quetzecoatl, cube the RRoG, wear the Avarice Band along with SoJ/Convention.
- ...You get the idea
- More Movement Speed: Drop Corpse Spiders for Horrify: Stalker and use Rachel's Ring of Larceny
- More DPS: You can pickup an additional 10% damage by trading out the Krelm's Belt for a Witching Hour.
//Theorycrafting
Here is the D3Planner used for all of the following information:
http://www.d3planner.com/100085540
In the end, what's important is your sustained DPS on the mobs that you are passing by. You want the Wormwood proc as high as it can go for as long as it can be. This is why I insisted on putting Hexing Pants of Yan into the mix. We are always moving, its 20% of free DPS that we don't have to stop to maintain it.
Let's remember some things while looking at this next section:
- Pants are almost always on their proc if you're truly zerging.
- Bastions can have 2 procs.
- One will be on relatively often.
- The other one is rarely on unless you're stopping to attack a high HP enemy.
- Convention of Elements maximum potential is 200% additional damage for 4 of every 16 seconds
- Your Wormwood procs every second, meaning that it's more likely less that 4 seconds per 16.
- If you're wearing the Convention, it's likely less than a 200% boost on proc due to RNG.
- Witching hour is used to demonstrate how sheet DPS affects your Wormwood proc.
The initial Angry Chicken build does:[TABLE="class: outer_border, width: 700"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Procs[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Sheet DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Effective DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Proc DPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]None[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2.8 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4.7 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]45.3 Million[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.4 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5.7 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]53.7 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants
1 Bastion's Will[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.4 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8.5 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]80.6 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants
2 Bastion's Will[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.4 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12.8 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]120.9 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Let's see what the difference between the original build and these alternates:
The initial Angry Chicken build with a Witching Hours does:
[TABLE="class: outer_border, width: 700"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Procs[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Sheet DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Effective DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Proc DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Δ[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]None[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.2 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5.4 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]48.9 Million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+7.94%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.9 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6.5 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]57.9 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+7.82%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants
1 Bastion's Will[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.9 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9.8 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]86.9 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+7.81%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants
2 Bastion's Will[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.9 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]14.7 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]130.4 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+7.85%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
*Witching hour gives effective DPS a 14.84% boost, but the buff to Wormwood is under 8%
The Angry Chicken build with Avarice Band, Stone of Jordan on character, Convention in Cube does:
[TABLE="class: outer_border, width: 700"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Procs[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Sheet DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Effective DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Proc DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Δ[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]None[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2.5 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4.1 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]46.6 Million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+2.8%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.0 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5.0 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]55.7 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+3.7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants
Convention Ring[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.0 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5.0 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]165.8 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+37.13%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
*Big drops in DPS for non-poison skills against non-elites. There is a small gain in Wormwood proc DPS.
*The big change comes when the Convention is on the Poison proc, +37% damage.
*Consider the 16 second cycle: DPS is 55.7 million for 12 seconds, 165.8 for 4 seconds.668.4 [no proc] + 663.2 [proc] = 1331.6 million/16 seconds = 83.22 million DPS**.**This is lower on AVERAGE than the pants with 1 proc of Bastion's Will.
The Angry Chicken build with Avarice Band, Stone of Jordan on character, Convention in Cube with a Witching Hours does:
[TABLE="class: outer_border, width: 700"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Procs[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Sheet DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Effective DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Proc DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Δ[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]None[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2.7 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4.5 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]47.4 Million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+4.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.2 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5.4 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]56.2 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+4.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants
Convention Ring[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.2 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5.4 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]168.8 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+39.61%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
*Interesting that adding a Witching Hour only gave 2% more DPS across the board on the alternate ring build.
786.8 [non proc] + 675.2 [proc] = 1462 / 16 seconds = 91.37 million DPS
Quetzacoatl Builds:
When you look at the stats below, you shouldn't be surprised that the Quetzacoatl doubles the DPS of the other build on the Wormwood proc. Afterall, it causes Haunt and Locust Swarm to deal their damage in half the time.
Also, while the Wormwood proc is increased, these builds do drop the DPS of all non-Locust skills.
The Angry Chicken build with Avarice Band, Stone of Jordan on character, Royal Ring in Cube with a Quetzacoatl does:
[TABLE="class: outer_border, width: 700"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Procs[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Sheet DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Effective DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Proc DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Δ[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]None[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2.5 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4.1 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]93.2 Million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+105.73%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.0 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5.0 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]110.5 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+105.77%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
*We are now relying less on Procs and more on consistent damage which is better for the build.
The Angry Chicken build with Avarice Band, Stone of Jordan on character, Royal Ring in Cube with a Quetzacoatl + Witching Hour does:
[TABLE="class: outer_border, width: 700"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Procs[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Sheet DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Effective DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Proc DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Δ[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]None[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2.8 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4.7 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]100.4 Million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+121.63[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.4 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5.7 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]119.0 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+121.60%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
*We are now relying less on Procs and more on consistent damage which is better for the build.
**Very interesting how the Witching Hour scales better in the Quetzacoatl builds than it does in the normal ones.
The Angry Chicken build with Avarice Band, Convention of Elements on character, Royal Ring in Cube with a Quetzacoatl + Witching Hour does:
[TABLE="class: outer_border, width: 700"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Procs[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Sheet DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Effective DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Proc DPS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Wormwood Δ[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]None[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.2 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5.4 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]97.8 Million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+121.63[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.9 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6.5 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]115.9 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+121.60%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Pants
Convention[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3.9 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6.5 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]347.7 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]+105.98%**[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
** This is 105.98% over the Original build using the Witching Hour AND during the Convention Proc
Like Before, 16 seconds total, 4 have the Proc.
1622.6 million [non proc] + 1390.8 million [proc] = 3013.4 / 16 seconds = 188.34 million DPS
Let's put that in Perspective:
[TABLE="class: outer_border, width: 700"]
[TR]
[TD]Build[/TD]
[TD]No Proc[/TD]
[TD]Pant Proc[/TD]
[TD]Full Proc[/TD]
[TD]AVG DPS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Quetzlcoatl
[/TD]
- Pants
- Convention
- Witching hour
[TD]97.8 million[/TD]
[TD]115 million[/TD]
[TD]347 million[/TD]
[TD]188 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Non-Quetzlcoatl
[/TD]
- Pants
- Convention
- Witching hour
[TD]47.4 million[/TD]
[TD]56.2 million[/TD]
[TD]168.8 million[/TD]
[TD]91 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The summary here seems quite obvious... The Quetzalcoatl's doubling of the Locust Swarm damage scales very well!
[REQUEST]
If anyone wants to help with the .CS files, we could use a few changes:
- Do not cast Locust Swarm at all (We are only using it for the rune changes)
- Its a waste of resources, more importantly, it's slows down our movement.
- We don't even need this vs. elites because the wormwood will reapply it every second.
- Do not cast Corpse Spiders unless Mana is under 20%
- Same as the issues with Locust Swarm, killing off movement speed.
- Soul Harvest only cast when there are 5 enemies within it's radius of 18 yards
- Also turn off anything that would cause it to cast near elites.
- We only want it cast where there are 5 enemies in range, regardless of type.
- Only cast FireBats against elites
- Currently it will stop to cast it against other enemies from time to time.
- The costs us movement speed
- Angry Chicken only explode vs. Elite packs.
- Exploding against anything else is a complete waste of time and movement speed.
- Explosion should require elite pack to be within 12 yards at most.
- Often times it explodes to use other skills it shouldn't be using like Locust Swarm and Firebats.
Essentially this will turn it into Zerg mode all of the time.
If someone was to change Firebats to another skill, that skill would have to be modified similarly but just looking for ways to make it faster.
Thoughts?
Replace this WitchDoctorCombat.cs
I've not tested but should work as you've described. Let me know if you need any fixes/improvements
Edit: Oh and great guide! I've been using Hell/Sage's/Manajuma combo for DB farming (300-400 an hour) but once I get this gear will test out for comparison.
A suggestion would be for users to have seperate DB folders with this .cs file in as it may have adverse effects on other builds. Once it's been fine tuned I could add in an option in settings to enable/disable these changes. Lemme know![]()
There is a bug with chicken form, on certain bounties (like : [Adventurer][Bounty] Completed Clear the Flooded Cave (346071) Time 00:05:46) the worms doesn't appear and stay underground when we are in chicken form so it takes very long time, and sometimes inactivity timer tripped
Awesome! I will use it when I do more testing for an optimal Death Breath setup (Currently leaning towards a pet build for doing higher grifts without needing to stack a lot of toughness).
DB farming should be done in normal rifts (T6+ being the highest one you can clear in the same time period (4-5mins for me on T9)).
Let me know any tweaks you may need and/or if a new trinity comes out and you need the changes done again![]()
Yeah I am currently testing the Pet Build listed here: [LINK] D3 Planner - Angry Chicken SpeedFarm Build
So far the clear timers are pretty good. There are 8 Fetishes and 15 fetish sycophants, 1 spider queen as a pet, and 1 as a non-pet. With all of the buffs up and 45% Fetish Army damage on gear, standing in BBV with near perfect gear:
The 8 Fetishes from Fetish Army do 2.8 billion DPS.
The 15 Fetish Sycophants should do about 5 billion DPS (They buffed them in patch to match rune and benefit the exact same from gear as Fetish Army)
So 7.8 billion DPS on the fetishes alone. OFC that is in a perfect scenario, but effective DPS in D3 Planner is 27 million fully buffed.
I am testing it with Acid Cloud: Lob Blob Blob to help better trap enemies when using the nemesis bracers.
If Gearswap was working, then swapping the Nemesis and First Coil of the Spider would be Best in Slot when using Firebats (nearly invincible)
I am toying around with the idea of using Fetish Sycophants for a passive, changing the belt to a goldwrap, then changing out a gem for Boon of the Hoarder.
Sounds promising.
Are you currently looking for speed Gr's for shards/xp (55-60), normal rifts or DB farming?
For GR's no boon of the hoarder as mobs drop nothing,
For Rifts/Bounties max movespeed of course,
For DB you need 2 sage parts with RoRG, honestly it makes a huge difference so give it a go.
I'm slightly confused as to what you're working towards currently
EDIT: Seems that D3planner has no Fetish summon option (belt or skill) Unless I'm missing something?!
// Locust Swarm
if (CanCast(SNOPower.Witchdoctor_Locust_Swarm) && Player.PrimaryResource >= 300 && (!Sets.ManajumasWay.IsEquipped && !Legendary.Wormwood.IsEquipped) &&
!SpellTracker.IsUnitTracked(CurrentTarget, SNOPower.Witchdoctor_Locust_Swarm) && LastPowerUsed != SNOPower.Witchdoctor_Locust_Swarm)
{
return new TrinityPower(SNOPower.Witchdoctor_Locust_Swarm, 12f, CurrentTarget.ACDGuid);
}
I was trying to figure that out myself, the only applications I can think of are farming mats or bounties. My gear isn't perfect but I can only run around T7/Grift35 before it starts to slow down. It's fun to watch but aside from leveling gems I can't really see why you'd run it over helltooth/manajuma (I prefer farming t10 keys for increased multidrop). I should mention I'm running the max speed build, do people have good results when running a higher damage version?what the purpose of this build? is it good for exp or farming mats and keys?
I was trying to figure that out myself, the only applications I can think of are farming mats or bounties. My gear isn't perfect but I can only run around T7/Grift35 before it starts to slow down. It's fun to watch but aside from leveling gems I can't really see why you'd run it over helltooth/manajuma (I prefer farming t10 keys for increased multidrop). I should mention I'm running the max speed build, do people have good results when running a higher damage version?
I dont really see the point of this build. Bot is unable to do malthael T7 at all. With other settings I can do GRifts 50+ in less than 5 mins, but with this setup and almost full ancient gear I cant even do bounties, which is the only porpuse it may have. What am I doing wrong? Got all the settings configured as suggested in the original post.
which one of the builds did u find best to farm rifts, i have been using a AngryChicken/helltooth/manajuma http://www.diablofans.com/builds/58546-deaths-breath-farming-with-manajumas-helltooth-and to farm T8 rifts and its very fast but if you have a better one i would love to try it out i have all gear any build on WDI use this build to farm Rifts, its the fastest by far!!!
which one of the builds did u find best to farm rifts, i have been using a AngryChicken/helltooth/manajuma http://www.diablofans.com/builds/58546-deaths-breath-farming-with-manajumas-helltooth-and to farm T8 rifts and its very fast but if you have a better one i would love to try it out i have all gear any build on WD
Thanks