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[Guide/Setup] 4-man party setup for S11

Chocoboos said:
Amazing job guys !!
Anyone tried Skull of resonance on zbarb mabe??
Will charm from it cooperate with 3 x dmg bonus from krysbins sentence?
From what i see my dps necro died mostly with big trash+ elite packs, i think charm proc will help alot with after death situations + add much survi: charming monsters also take agro from other monsters.

Anyone know whats the base durationof charm?? im not 100% sure but what i remeber it was 12s before writen on passive power and now they don't tell it.
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Good idea, I will try the skull. We loose lotsa CDR with it. Charm should last as long as the Threatening Shout's debuff lasts, i.e. 6s. I will see if zbarb can keep IP up w/o Leoric's.
 
ah forgot about IP but with zodiac it should be close to perma keep, if not mabe for high gr push just change chilanicks belt in cube for Leoric Crown. i will test today when arrive to office.
 
dqtsf said:
@ZDL @Tempest : could you make znecro casts bone spear more often? That's the only skill that proc zodiac and what I'm notice (compared to the chinese routine) is your routines only cast bone spear in Lotd or nearly full resource for Aquilla. This make lotd cooldown take longer.
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I haven't modified the bonespear code since I don't use bone spear myself. I prefer death nova. I went ahead and duplicated the logic I used to mod death nova to bone spear. Hopefully this helps.
 

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Chocoboos said:
ah forgot about IP but with zodiac it should be close to perma keep, if not mabe for high gr push just change chilanicks belt in cube for Leoric Crown. i will test today when arrive to office.
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The skull seems to work very well, high proc chance, I can see 3/4 of the packs CC'd, even elites. IP still with 100% uptime, even w/o Leoric's. Need to test more.
 
Yes its work much better than i suspected, charmed elites and minions don't use affixes so we have much less shit on ground, IP still 100% uptime :D. Realy high proc chance , even rift guardians sometimes charmed...
 
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Tempest said:
So you wanna ignore Aquila in between LotD's? I believe most of the spears necessary for Zodiac should be cast during the LotD. My version should have 0-3-4s downtimes. I remember ZDL writing about ignoring the spear cast during some part of the LotD. I don't think that's the right way, because Devour is off gcd (gcd = attackspeed here), but only if you alter spells. What I mean, measure time you need to cast 10 Devours in rows, it's 10/(number of attacks/s), say it's 5s with 2 attacks/s. Measure time you need to cast 10 Bone Spears, it's again 5s. And finally measure time needed to cast 10 Devours and 10 Bone Spears, alternating. It should be again 5s.
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The fact is the more lotd uptimes the more aquilla will be active. Also, lotd is the main power supply source for dam dealer therefore lotd should be put on top priority. This rat run setup needs to kill elites within 10s interval otherwise elites will resist to crowd control and it will take longer to kill.

Currently, when outside lotd znecro won't cast bone spear and keep using blood rush to survive waiting for lotd cooldown while I think it should keep 10 stacks bonespear of all time.

To sum up:

- 10 stack bone spear = proc zodiac more --> more lotd uptime --> aquilla more active

- 10 stack bone spear = debuff enemies's attack speed

I have tested this using your routine and Chinese routine and the result is significant faster with 10 stacks bonespear. However, the Chinese routine is not working well with the leader. Sometimes it doesn't follow the leader and just stand till casting spells.

@ZDL: Thanks mate, will test it and give feedback later.
 
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has anyone got some super strict endgame itemlists they'd be willing to share for Necro/WD/zBarb/zMonk? :):)
 
dqtsf said:
The fact is the more lotd uptimes the more aquilla will be active. Also, lotd is the main power supply source for dam dealer therefore lotd should be put on top priority. This rat run setup needs to kill elites within 10s interval otherwise elites will resist to crowd control and it will take longer to kill.

Currently, when outside lotd znecro won't cast bone spear and keep using blood rush to survive waiting for lotd cooldown while I think it should keep 10 stacks bonespear of all time.

To sum up:

- 10 stack bone spear = proc zodiac more --> more lotd uptime --> aquilla more active

- 10 stack bone spear = debuff enemies's attack speed

I have tested this using your routine and Chinese routine and the result is significant faster with 10 stacks bonespear. However, the Chinese routine is not working well with the leader. Sometimes it doesn't follow the leader and just stand till casting spells.

@ZDL: Thanks mate, will test it and give feedback later.
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Ah, I see. You want to keep 10 stacks and ignore the Aquila reserve preventing the casts in between LotD. I see ZDL removed the Aquila reserve protection. This will burn resource in between LotdD's with the attackspeed frequency, since Bone Spear/Death Nova are highest priority spells outside LotD. Let me know how that works for you. Second, more resource-conserving option would be to cast Spears only for 10 stacks keep up.
@ZDL, @ dqtsf : Do you guys think it would be useful to add stacks keep up also during the out-of-combat movement while following the leader to the next pack? Zdps Necro would just stop following the leader for half a second every 3s to refresh the stacks. Or you basically clear everything so there are no such refreshment mobs left in between the fights?
 
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Tempest said:
Ah, I see. You want to keep 10 stacks and ignore the Aquila reserve preventing the casts in between LotD. I see ZDL removed the Aquila reserve protection. This will burn resource in between LotdD's with the attackspeed frequency, since Bone Spear/Death Nova are highest priority spells outside LotD. Let me know how that works for you. Second, more resource-conserving option would be to cast Spears only for 10 stacks keep up.
@ZDL, @ dqtsf : Do you guys think it would be useful to add stacks keep up also during the out-of-combat movement while following the leader to the next pack? Zdps Necro would just stop following the leader for half a second every 3s to refresh the stacks. Or you basically clear everything so there are no such refreshment mobs left in between the fights?
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I think keep stack in combat only is better. My objective is to clear 100 under 5 mins so speed is still my priority. I will keep trying various combinations: skills, gears, comps until I achieve that. Over 100 I will use the meta in page one for gem upgrade only.

@ZDL : your new modified znecro routine are working well now. Thanks again :D
 
Another milestone, 110 on stable farm:
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Tempest said:
Another milestone, 110 on stable farm:
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The man the myth the legend :eek::eek::eek: LoN WD or 2 Rath? Mean while

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I don't know why I can do 103 half time but cannot improve clear time on 100. May be I've hit the wall already. I think with current navigation and my hardware limitation, clearing 100 with 5-7 mins is okay for speed.

Next step should be try pushing like Tempest.
 
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Just few little modifications gathered from @FEDEZ and @Chocoboos over last 2 pages.
- zdps monk from @FEDEZ, lil' bit better globe generation, Mantras all quite similar, Salvation+agility or Salvation+armor give about the same (agility does not work on on-ground effects, armor does)
https://www.d3planner.com/772816021

- zdps barb with the Skull of Resonance, switched to dual wielding the fast swords, for somewhat better globe generation. Short (about 2.5s) CD for Threatening Shout in routine settings.
https://www.d3planner.com/116170654

- 2 x Rathmas are both Vision+Cycle Rathmas from the OP, Simulacrum uptime about 60%. First with Frailty, second with Decrepify, both use Simulacrum on trash
https://www.d3planner.com/710409560 . The Skull of Resonance on barbar stabilizes the Rathmas and they really rip through when properly geared for high Simulacrum uptimes.
 
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dqtsf said:
The man the myth the legend :eek::eek::eek: LoN WD or 2 Rath? Mean while

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I don't know why I can do 103 half time but cannot improve clear time on 100. May be I've hit the wall already. I think with current navigation and my hardware limitation, clearing 100 with 5-7 mins is okay for speed.

Next step should be try pushing like Tempest.
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The realy problem is very very bad navigation...
Fedez
 
Tempest said:
Just few little modifications gathered from @FEDEZ and @Chocoboos over last 2 pages.
- zdps monk from @FEDEZ, lil' bit better globe generation, Mantras all quite similar, Salvation+agility or Salvation+armor give about the same (agility does not work on on-ground effects, armor does)
https://www.d3planner.com/772816021

- zdps barb with the Skull of Resonance, switched to dual wielding the fast swords, for somewhat better globe generation. Short (about 2.5s) CD for Threatening Shout in routine settings.
https://www.d3planner.com/116170654

- 2 x Rathmas are both Vision+Cycle Rathmas from the OP, Simulacrum uptime about 60%. First with Frailty, second with Decrepify, both use Simulacrum on trash
https://www.d3planner.com/527630522 . The Skull of Resonance on barbar stabilizes the Rathmas and they really rip through when properly geared for high Simulacrum uptimes.
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Thanks for the info. If you drop Leoric crown, why not put helm of resonance in cube and wear Blind Faith with 40% blind on hit?

Also, if your barb has enough toughness you can swap hellfire amulet for overwhelming desire which give you 35% additional damage on charmed enemies. Note that the amulet only work on it self proc so charm from other sources like helm of resonance doesn't proc the effect.
 
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dqtsf said:
Thanks for the info. If you drop Leoric crown, why not put helm of resonance in cube and wear Blind Faith with 40% blind on hit?

Also, if your barb has enough toughness you can swap hellfire amulet for overwhelming desire which give you 35% additional damage on charmed enemies. Note that the amulet only work on it self proc so charm from other sources like helm of resonance doesn't proc the effect.
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- Love the movement speed more
- I remember I was toying with Overwhelming Desire some time ago. At the end I was quite underwhelmed by its low proc rate. Presence of the amulet in my gear seemed invisible. I may try on this charge barb build with 3 attacks/s. Got so many of these amulets that I actually need to decided if they are worth to keep in the stash
 
So should we be trying to get atk speed on supports necks and rings as well as crit for more orbs?
 
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