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First meeting with lawyers

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umshakalaka said:
blizz is stupid, about 10% of wow payments come from botters...
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Possibly, but we don't know that is a fact.

Also, we don't know what % of those who have quit WoW did so because of the effect botters had on their game experience.
 
Soulbound13 said:
Possibly, but we don't know that is a fact.

Also, we don't know what % of those who have quit WoW did so because of the effect botters had on their game experience.
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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

thats a known, unknown
 
CodenameG said:
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

thats a known, unknown
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hmm... i didin't know about that.


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GL HB !
 
soo. i got this HB plugin called Ecourt, automatet court kickass with a custom CC called PvpLawyer
you need :confused:

Good luck lads...
 
Trademark... mmmm maybe because honorbuddy directly benefits from wow???, thats stupid, its like bill gates demanding the world for programming stuff for windows.... no?
 
Bossland said:
On Tuesday August 9 2011, we went to Berlin and met our lawyers, Dr. Behrmann & H?rtel, who are game law specialists. The meeting went very well. It took several hours to go though the case against us and to get advice as to the strengths and weakness of each point they brought up. Having done so, we are a lot happier now than while we were sitting about waiting for the legal papers to come from Hamburg .
Unlike in the US, court papers in Germany are not all for publication so we are not attaching a PDF of the 111 page letter Blizzard sent to the Hamburg court.

Blizzard is suing us on 3 grounds:
1. Copyright.
2. Trademark
3. Inducing Breach of Contract

Blizzard has tried to tack on a personal liability action. Bossland has been served with papers on this. In German law, if you are a company director and using the company to do something you know to be against the law, you cannot hide behind the company.

The interesting part will start once Blizzard replies to our defense, as they have then to prove the squishy allegations. So there will not really be any real news until November.
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Bossland, in Germany can you counter-sue Blizzard for wasting your time? If you guys win, that might be a thought. I would ask the judge to hit them with damages for lost time, public humiliation, and general douchery.
 
lets hope blizzard doesn't try to buy out the company in a settlement! :)
 
Beans said:
Bossland, in Germany can you counter-sue Blizzard for wasting your time? If you guys win, that might be a thought. I would ask the judge to hit them with damages for lost time, public humiliation, and general douchery.
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Its hard to get costs awarded for general douchery these days..
 
Inducement of breach of contract is where you could have issues. The German sense of fair play could work against you here. You have to establish that the Eula is meaningless as the contract could be construed to prohibit everything from G15 keyboards to programmable mice and beyond. Do not take anything they have proposed lightly. You need to establish that Blizzard are seeking to punish you because you aren't a big multinational like Logitech or Razer with whom they do business. Speak to your lawyers about the possibility of a counter claim too, you should have grounds on the fact Blizzard appear to unfairly victimising you as a smaller company. I cannot stress enough that you need to turn this into a legal precedent on the validity of the EULA within the European market place. With the right backing you could get this case to European Court levels and Blizzard will be facing an extremely expensive court bill, even by their standards, if they wish to proceed.

Hawker if you're browsing this I'd still like to get a copy of the court papers if possible. You can employ me for a token Euro as a PR consultant as I still have my German tax number. I think there are several action groups in Germany I could put you in touch with that would be interested in promoting this case. This could give Blizzard no end of problems in their PR department.
 
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Blizzard ? You're Nuts!
We germans will show you, where the frog got his curls!
 
Good luck. You guys make a great product and you seem genuinely passionate about what you do; regardless of the people that use HB, it would be a damn shame if Blizz took that away from ya.
 
As it turns out Blizzard trademarked the Hornet for HB.
Oh wait, they didn't? That's what I thought, good luck on the trademark bit =D

Go go Bossland et.al.
 
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