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Blizzard Champ Farming Bans

Rakurai said:
Do Chinese (or whatever relatively low income area) farmers get banned for playing all the time? I imagine that they work in shifts using the same accounts. I know real data is probably sketchy, I've never heard of a Chinese gold farmers community where they bitch about bans :)
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I think Chinese gold farmer is a term coin'd on the fact that the majority of wholesale of game currency is here. Not that they actually are farming... ALOT of Chinese farms are linked with credit fraud. I would not doubt they have ( because I have seen pics and vids, as most have) just rooms flooded with PC's ran off of one central pc and monitored by several people on a 24/7 watch system. It doesn't logically make sense to actually pay people to do it, when the amount of automated software exists. In fact it is cheaper for one to privately pay and make a bot and mass farm with a well maintained info-structure.
 
There is a very interesting interview with a guy who was behind a big part of the Chinese gold farming movement. An American of Anglo/Chinese heritage. He reminded me of Ferris Bueller, from the 1980s film Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

I'll see if I can find the link...

I found it, but I think I'll create a new thread for it, as it is rather interesting/entertaining.
 
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Radonic said:
Which player would give all their money to a friend, ALL THE TIME?
What i do on all my 20 bots is that i have a heavy flow between money and items
on my accounts. I sell things to myself on GAH to trade gold, I buy good items on
GAH from myself to sell on RMAH.
This way all my accounts never GIVE money and this is this system i think have
saved me my accounts :)
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I have thought about using AH to transfer gold but one thing stopped me from doing so is that, i suppose their logs can show which player is selling to which, then it became very obvious coz one player just cannot keep buying items from exactly the same other player.

The key to consider should be what made them flagged your account. They have to use a filter with different rules to catch people before manual review. If you can avoid that, you are perfectly safe.

I think we should have a dedicated topic to discuss and summarise the ban theory, especially from people who have not been caught, although its all about speculations. IMO DB and others could all be detectable, but they do not ban them altogether. They give you hope so when you will keep buying new keys. Just track mouse movements (those doing nothing while DPSing) then most of 3rd party softwares are gone.
 
jack104 said:
I have thought about using AH to transfer gold but one thing stopped me from doing so is that, i suppose their logs can show which player is selling to which, then it became very obvious coz one player just cannot keep buying items from exactly the same other player.

The key to consider should be what made them flagged your account. They have to use a filter with different rules to catch people before manual review. If you can avoid that, you are perfectly safe.

I think we should have a dedicated topic to discuss and summarise the ban theory, especially from people who have not been caught, although its all about speculations. IMO DB and others could all be detectable, but they do not ban them altogether. They give you hope so when you will keep buying new keys. Just track mouse movements (those doing nothing while DPSing) then most of 3rd party softwares are gone.
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Here are the reasons why people-who-haven't-been-banned won't share their ban-avoidance tips and tricks:

- Sharing = Blizzard will adapt ban filters

- The top tier botters on the pyramid requires alot of fall-guys and cannon-fodder in the form of noob-botters to get banned so that the Blizzard ban team folks will reach their quota even before going up the pyramid.

- I mean who on earth wants to kill off their cash cows, golden geese and bot-farms for the sake of altruism.

Even the "default ban report template" isn't remotely useful, it's just placed there to quell the unrest of the fall-guys and cannon-fodder.
 
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jack104 said:
I have thought about using AH to transfer gold but one thing stopped me from doing so is that, i suppose their logs can show which player is selling to which, then it became very obvious coz one player just cannot keep buying items from exactly the same other player.

The key to consider should be what made them flagged your account. They have to use a filter with different rules to catch people before manual review. If you can avoid that, you are perfectly safe.

I think we should have a dedicated topic to discuss and summarise the ban theory, especially from people who have not been caught, although its all about speculations. IMO DB and others could all be detectable, but they do not ban them altogether. They give you hope so when you will keep buying new keys. Just track mouse movements (those doing nothing while DPSing) then most of 3rd party softwares are gone.
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I snipe ALOT on my accounts aswell, buying cheap items and sell them for more or pass it over to my RMAH account!
As i said, i got a fluid system between my bots so.

Tbh i should never share this. But ive done it numbers of times and as ive told you before.
Mainstream is the goal.
Only thing thats not mainstream of my accounts is that they are ON 24/7 xP
 
arielmz said:
They can't ban u, if they ain't 100% sure... cuz that would be too much hassle with laws... they need provs...
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Why not? From the randomness how they ban especially in relation to AH bots (with random timers) it?s likely they ban without being 100% certain.
Occasionally there are posts on the official forum from banned people who claim they never botted. Even if some of them never botted it won't have much impact on blizzard as long as they keep the numbers of false bans very small.

No one will sue them for 60$. Actually it would be a good idea to sue them as a botter or botter group that lost some thousands $.
Either they would have to unban the accounts or at least reveal all the details on which basis they banned them.
This would help the botter community a lot as we would get exact facts about their tracking & banning methods instead of guessing here based on random observations.
 
Radonic said:
I snipe ALOT on my accounts aswell, buying cheap items and sell them for more or pass it over to my RMAH account!
As i said, i got a fluid system between my bots so.

Tbh i should never share this. But ive done it numbers of times and as ive told you before.
Mainstream is the goal.
Only thing thats not mainstream of my accounts is that they are ON 24/7 xP
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I think one of the most important elements you mentioned where others overlooked is the 'gold trade' transfer.

Ever wonder why they disallow us to drop gold on ground? Because they want to track every single piece of gold. It is the constant large number of gold transfer got those accounts flagged and reviewed. Google it then you can find large AH transactions are also flaggable, something like .5 - 1b in total in a single day. This might have something to do with potential money laundering, across nations!

I reckon using trade window is how most people get banned in cham farming and botting. No matter how safe you farm, if you constantly transfer gold to another account, it is flaggable.

Most people should be aware of it!
 
michael9 said:
Why not? From the randomness how they ban especially in relation to AH bots (with random timers) it?s likely they ban without being 100% certain.
Occasionally there are posts on the official forum from banned people who claim they never botted. Even if some of them never botted it won't have much impact on blizzard as long as they keep the numbers of false bans very small.

No one will sue them for 60$. Actually it would be a good idea to sue them as a botter or botter group that lost some thousands $.
Either they would have to unban the accounts or at least reveal all the details on which basis they banned them.
This would help the botter community a lot as we would get exact facts about their tracking & banning methods instead of guessing here based on random observations.
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You cannot sue them for it...
You can always chargeback money within the limited time, but their terms of use bar you from sueing them if they ban you. It specifically states that they can terminate your account for any reason.
Technically, they can just terminate your account right now for no reason but that would just lead to loss of reputation.
 
i really do not believe you need to invest in a lot for botting... 2m max for mf items if anything or gf items.
 
its a holiday weekend. im botting 24/7. as lame as blizzard is during working hours im sure im safe during the holiday. And i bot 24/7 anyways. who cares. im already on top.
 
lazygun247 said:
You cannot sue them for it...
You can always chargeback money within the limited time, but their terms of use bar you from sueing them if they ban you. It specifically states that they can terminate your account for any reason.
Technically, they can just terminate your account right now for no reason but that would just lead to loss of reputation.
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I don't know how its in the US but where I live writing something in the TOS won't give a company the freecard to do what they want. And just kicking people out without a reason from a service they paid for wouldn't stand a chance in court.
 
creativextent said:
i really do not believe you need to invest in a lot for botting... 2m max for mf items if anything or gf items.
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If you are farming with under 2 mil worth of items you are not being efficient at all. You can putter though act 1, but you probably don't have 25% move speed and i'm guessing it takes more than one hit to kill champ packs.

You can get started botting with 2 mil, but then you want to immediately reinvest the first 20mil+ you make.
 
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