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Blizzard Champ Farming Bans

Radonic said:
Well you can use more then 10 computers under 1 MAC ID!
I know alot of appartment complexes that use 1 NAT Swtich to give all the 100+ appartments internet!
Most of the time they use the same IP and its under a gigabyte line. Its pretty common here in Sweden i would think its common in the US aswell!
I dont think blizzard wants to ban ALL the people playing D3 in that appartment complex.

But if you got something that you think working, thanks for sharing. We all just want to not get banned!
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Well, but then each comp would still have it unique mac adapter, using a "public" router.(Can be set easy with + adapters on vmware)
Blizzard would tag it as public, since there's too many connections...
I can be wrong, not sure about the USA, here in Brazil we usually have a private gate that links directs to the isp. Those "shared" didn't went very well. So we have 2 unique macs before the isp(public) one. That's why I can have that kind of setup cheap here too, making it somewhere safe I hope. :p
 
I really doubt its champion farming. I have farmed champions almost exclusivley for over 2 months, PLUS the last 3 banwaves I was in the middle of champion farming and was knocked off due to the updates
 
arielmz said:
Well, but then each comp would still have it unique mac adapter, using a "public" router.(Can be set easy with + adapters on vmware)
Blizzard would tag it as public, since there's too many connections...
I can be wrong, not sure about the USA, here in Brazil we usually have a private gate that links directs to the isp. Those "shared" didn't went very well. So we have 2 unique macs before the isp(public) one. That's why I can have that kind of setup cheap here too, making it somewhere safe I hope. :p
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Depends, if you got a NAT Switch you can only get the MAC id from a computer by actually looking for the MAC id on you network card. If that D3 do that, VMware should be the best alternative!
 
heartspains88 said:
Generally I'm not keen on the folks above me policing where it's not their job. But in this instance they're 100% right. Should've read before you posted. I just spent a whopping 5 minutes skimming the ban forum and they all admitted to 24/7 botting. This is in no way indicative of anlything. 24/7 = ban, regardless of what you're doing.
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I did not bot even close to 24/7. In fact i'd go days without botting. I always turned it off to emulate sleep as well. 8-10 hours or more... i was lazy about restarting the bot actually, so don't go assuming it's only 24/7 folks.It is not. If you bot 24/7 yeah you get what you deserve.
 
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if you dont want to be banned, dont bot retardedly....blizzard cant ban people for Farming champions in a game that was made to be farmed.. dont run 24/7 use the AH once in awhile. play manually sometimes, bot smart not hard ;)
 
arielmz said:
It is legal, but on the other hand you'r tagging yourself for hand investigation, sooner of later will get a ban. (they pretty much have everything logged u did on ur char, so they can search for infinity loops or common glitches on bots... and further ban all the alts/trade mules).
Also there's no person able to play 2 clients at same time (farm)... unless u have some kind of magic powers...

Pretty much running 2+ clients with same modem/mac... ur spoofing they scan with 2 packages per time instead of 1... so guess what? Hand Investigation ;).
But still if they can't find any infinity loop or alike, ur still not being banned...

That's not theory, its how any IT scan works... they need something for tag u as "bot" then a further investigation for ban w/o law issues, and they use logs for that.

They ain't looking for small gold farmers, those make economy keep on... they want the Chinese ones... just have that in mind. ;)
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Same could be said if you are flagged for being on a ***, since in the EULA if not mistaken it says not to use them. 2 per pc or spoof what you want. Both ways throw up flags.
 
jimjohnson said:
Same could be said if you are flagged for being on a ***, since in the EULA if not mistaken it says not to use them. 2 per pc or spoof what you want. Both ways throw up flags.
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The force is strong with this comment.
 
twistedheat said:
if you dont want to be banned, dont bot retardedly....blizzard cant ban people for Farming champions in a game that was made to be farmed.. dont run 24/7 use the AH once in awhile. play manually sometimes, bot smart not hard ;)
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What folks don't seem to understand is they aren't banning profiles and playing manually has no impact whatsoever. Blizzard is banning when they detect non human behavior that is impossible for a human to do. If they detect it, you could have been manually playing the account 99.99999% of the time and they will still ban you.

The weak points of the Bot is the Nav server, stucks, lack of significant randomization, the ID items routine and the loot sell routine. They might not scan for all this right off the bat, but if you bot enough to trip some other "lets take a closer look at this account" flags, then they will spot them.

Lets face it, there are some crazy folks playing 24/7 or families that have accounts going close to 24/7 and they aren't getting banned. They can tell that you have a bot IF they look closely enough at an account being botted.
 
packetloss said:
What folks don't seem to understand is they aren't banning profiles and playing manually has no impact whatsoever. Blizzard is banning when they detect non human behavior that is impossible for a human to do. If they detect it, you could have been manually playing the account 99.99999% of the time and they will still ban you.

The weak points of the Bot is the Nav server, stucks, lack of significant randomization, the ID items routine and the loot sell routine. They might not scan for all this right off the bat, but if you bot enough to trip some other "lets take a closer look at this account" flags, then they will spot them.

Lets face it, there are some crazy folks playing 24/7 or families that have accounts going close to 24/7 and they aren't getting banned. They can tell that you have a bot IF they look closely enough at an account being botted.
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Honestly, if some of these profiles that currently have no stucks or very very little, it is impossible to distinguish between that and human play style. If a stuck happens, it can also be attributed to lag. They won't ban you on the basis of being stucked somewhere. They also can't ban people for running the same profile for like a month. If you just ask the community, at least 50% of the player base spent a month or so just farming act 1...


I do not know anyone or of anyone who has actually witnessed it, but it may be possible they are interacting with your account before being banned. For instance, in WoW, it is not uncommon that the GM's will message your account in some way/shape/form. If you don't respond to several of them, its pretty clear to them that you are botting (as your account is moving and doing everything). Again this part is just speculation. I have my theories on what is happening with bans and I have not been banned. Botting off of 2 accounts now for about 2 months..
400 hours on one and 700 hours on another
 
I think that contrary to sarkoth banwave, where they surely used automatic filter which allowed them to ban within few days most ppl who were farming it 24/24, in case of champions its mostly handiwork. Probably several persons are assigned to manual reviving of accounts which are played a lot of hours (especially 24/24), mostly they are spotting false positives, but sometimes they catch a bot, and thats why we got several ban reports each day, while most ppl can get away with it for many weeks.
 
I agree that they are using multiple methods for bot detection and the bans on Champ farming come only after they turn on extra profiling (and manual review). They most likely need to collect lots of data which they just can't collect on every single account running, so they have a system to flag suspect accounts (say 10+/7, too many games per hour etc. etc.) and that gives them a much smaller list of accounts to profile. Once they profile the account, they are looking for non human activities. Like exact same delay (within a certain margin) between teleport and leave game, leave game start game (at least we have parameters for that now) click on items to ID, click on item to sell, etc. etc. No one gets tight timings when doing these tasks by hand over a large dataset.
 
twistedheat said:
if you dont want to be banned, dont bot retardedly....blizzard cant ban people for Farming champions in a game that was made to be farmed.. dont run 24/7 use the AH once in awhile. play manually sometimes, bot smart not hard ;)
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I did all of the above. regularly browsed auction house and had 1 / 2 bots stopped for good amount of time coding profiles etc. In addition to very conservative hours. Blizzard is doing more than going after 24/7 botters. What exactly I don't know, but yeah i'm betting directly interacting with certain accounts that have been flagged for *whatever* reason.
 
If you think that they ban only 24/24 tell this to guy who was banned 3 hour after buying bot, or tell it to me or other folks who farming 24/24 for may :D
 
twistedheat said:
if you dont want to be banned, dont bot retardedly....blizzard cant ban people for Farming champions in a game that was made to be farmed.. dont run 24/7 use the AH once in awhile. play manually sometimes, bot smart not hard ;)
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I only ran 12-18 hours a day (depending on how stable DB was while I was afk). I used the auction house on each bot at least 4-5 times a day, sometimes more. I played manually a lot on one of the accounts. In the end, I think my biggest mistake was making it easy to tie them together. I think bans are mostly bad luck, I just gave them 4 accounts in one shot instead of them randomly choosing 1 to look at.
 
Do Chinese (or whatever relatively low income area) farmers get banned for playing all the time? I imagine that they work in shifts using the same accounts. I know real data is probably sketchy, I've never heard of a Chinese gold farmers community where they bitch about bans :)
 
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