Blizzard Can Detect Honorbuddy! Im Sorry But Its Clearly True!!!

[spriggy666]

Profiles for gathering not questing - You can make your own hotspots for gathering.

But surely it still uses the public "Mesh" ??

 

[CrazyCat]

I dont think blizzard will ban all at once even if it was detected. They are not stupid. then they will admit they can detect it and no one would use honorbuddy anymore, meaning they lose alot of money.

Now people buy more and more accounts during sale thinking honorbuddy works fine and soon they will get hit again

 

[virtual]

I dont think blizzard will ban all at once even if it was detected. They are not stupid. then they will admit they can detect it and no one would use honorbuddy anymore, meaning they lose alot of money.

Now people buy more and more accounts during sale thinking honorbuddy works fine and soon they will get hit again

I agree. IF blizzard is able to detect the bot. They are not going to to do huge waves. They waited 2 weeks Last time and the time before.

Would you ban 50k Bots in mass wave lasting 2 weeks or 200k bots trickled waves over 2 months ? Just saying.

Makes sense to trickle the waves because if they are using a new pattern to auto detect bots for pattern behavior and player reports then they can keep the system well oiled and constantly running.

I Still haven't seen a FISHING BAN or a Profession Buddy Ban. So we will see.

 

[Jerf]

Blizz has absolutely done huge ban waves in the past. Anyone else here get nailed in the Pirox archaeology/speedhack banwave? That sucker nailed ALL of those bans (stupidly enough they left most of the AH bots and BG bots) at the same time. Glider was another huge banwave.

What the increasing number of bans says is simple:

* Players are more adept at spotting bots now (it isn't hard to spot HB users, even if they are monitoring their screen, if you watch for certain things like tail waggling to get around obstacles or specific choke points in questing profiles).

* Players are reporting more now because it is easier than ever to report

* Blizzard is dedicating more resources to investigating these reports, in some cases in real-time now.

* Quite possibly Blizzard is self-initiating some investigations based on patterns (# of auctions, quests done in very specific order likely, nodes/hour maybe, click-to-move doubtful but likely as a supporting factor once an investigation is started).

* During downtime Blizzard GM staff, which has nothing better to do, goes through logs for additional investigating ... so you get more bans after long down times.



If they could detect it, like they did with the speed hack and a bot that dumped information into in-game chat (Pirox, looking at you), or with Glider, they'd nail everyone running it very quickly. It sent a HUGE message to the community. And even 200K people being banned (sorry, I don't believe there are 200K HB accounts, but that's just me) would not be that much of an impact to Blizzard ... especially since so many would re-sub anyway. And it would engender their main customer base.

I saw an entire guild come back to WoW after the Pirox ban purely because they finally felt like Blizzard was taking bots seriously.

There is no point to a trickle-down banwave like you are suggesting unless it is because they have yet to discover a method to programmatically detect botters. But there are PLENTY of ways that real humans can detect the bot and then have Blizzard look at it closer.

 

[HB8731D60]

in my ban email i posted, said they could see a program running in the background of my computer while running world of warcraft which was a 3rd party program

 

[ZipZap]

in my ban email i posted, said they could see a program running in the background of my computer while running world of warcraft which was a 3rd party program

Two things strike me here
1) WTF are they doing scanning outside of their 'owned' memory. That's a privacy issue imo. The EULA does specify that they will scan your RAM, but it does not state what section of the RAM they can scan. Does this mean since its ambigious, they can scan it all? Furthermore, If they're scanning outside of their 'owned' memory, say scanning your processes to check for 3rd party programs, aren't there Cyber security laws making spyware such as this illegal?

2) Just because a 3rd party program is running in your process does not IMO give them the authority to ban you. I can legally own 3rd party program, and i can legally open my 3rd party program and have it active in my processes. The violation in accordance with their EULA comes when i use this 3rd party program to automate game activity. So according to their own EULA they would have to prove that you are actively using the 3rd party program in game, not just that its a running process, correct?

Now all this aside, they'll do what they want until they are legally challenged. They'll hold it tight to their vest, especially if what they're doing is in the gray area that could be considered privacy violations or spyware in nature. Till then, were all on borrowed time IMO.

 

[Jerf]

in my ban email i posted, said they could see a program running in the background of my computer while running world of warcraft which was a 3rd party program

Post the text of the reply that says this please.

I kinda have my doubts they scan for stuff before an investigation via Warden. I'd be less surprised to find them scanning once they have an investigation going and doing it one-off by hand (possibly they think they have a loophole in the privacy issue).

Two things strike me here
1) WTF are they doing scanning outside of their 'owned' memory. That's a privacy issue imo. The EULA does specify that they will scan your RAM, but it does not state what section of the RAM they can scan. Does this mean since its ambigious, they can scan it all? Furthermore, If they're scanning outside of their 'owned' memory, say scanning your processes to check for 3rd party programs, aren't there Cyber security laws making spyware such as this illegal?

2) Just because a 3rd party program is running in your process does not IMO give them the authority to ban you. I can legally own 3rd party program, and i can legally open my 3rd party program and have it active in my processes. The violation in accordance with their EULA comes when i use this 3rd party program to automate game activity. So according to their own EULA they would have to prove that you are actively using the 3rd party program in game, not just that its a running process, correct?

Now all this aside, they'll do what they want until they are legally challenged. They'll hold it tight to their vest, especially if what they're doing is in the gray area that could be considered privacy violations or spyware in nature. Till then, were all on borrowed time IMO.

Thing is ... if they scan your WoW process and find the "hax.lua", that isn't even a grey area. That is their process space.

A simple continuous scan of "every person with Click-To-Move on" could then further trigger a "look for a mysterious hax.lua package" and be plenty to be considered evidence of a 3rd party software. Especially if they have just -1- video capture of you doing the botly zig-zag or repeatedly crashing into a door, or your Auctions are all perfectly timed, etc.

Not saying they haven't violated their space ... but there are definitely ways they could be using to hit the edges of it and use "3rd party" language. Which is why I'd like to see what they have said.

 

[CrazyCat]

Blizz has absolutely done huge ban waves in the past. Anyone else here get nailed in the Pirox archaeology/speedhack banwave? That sucker nailed ALL of those bans (stupidly enough they left most of the AH bots and BG bots) at the same time. Glider was another huge banwave.

Before they had more players so they could do huge banwaves. Now they are loosing players fast meaning less money. So they earn money banning in small banwaves.