Banwave 22-11-2016 Discussion

[wfsolis]

The previous banwave they said that Blizzard found a way to detect us which they were unaware of. That usually means reverse engineering code and reviewing a mind boggling amount of code trying to make sense of what it does. Then they have to figure out a way to prevent it and code around that. You want all of that done in a day or two. I think that is very unrealistic and oversimplifying. I'd rather they just take the time to figure it out and find a solution than to rush what they think might* fix it due to pressure from customers who haven't programmed anything past "Hello World". Just feels like people are underestimating blizzards abilities and also Hb's. I think both are very talented at what they do. But blizzard has more resources to draw on ,plus the new TOS, to do damage atm. Hopefully HB can find a way around it all again.

I think most people are angry that they released a new test version very shortly after the first banwave this month without doing what you described first. They sold out the casual botter, in the eyes of many, and released a version aimed at gold farmers that get banned quickly anyways and don't care about their accounts. I knew the risk and lost three accounts. They were farmers and I had no attachment to them.

 

[danjo]

I think most people are angry that they released a new test version very shortly after the first banwave this month without doing what you described first. They sold out the casual botter, in the eyes of many, and released a version aimed at gold farmers that get banned quickly anyways and don't care about their accounts. I knew the risk and lost three accounts. They were farmers and I had no attachment to them.

I have no evidence. It's my own subjective opinion but I don't believe they did that. My line of thinking is this.. Blizzard wants to get rid of bots. They are probably throwing a lot of money and creativity into finding ways to do this. To simplify.. my thinking is like they could have released a patch which has 3 difference devices that could get past their tripwire. Say they found two of them but didn't spot the third because it was cleverly hidden.. Or a code was cleverly written to act in an unexpected manner. Either way the entire time they are under pressure from us yelling at them on forums to hurry up and release an update as there are other bots already up and running. They think they have fixed the issue and so they release. Its war. Bot developers vs Blizzard. Each trying to stay one step ahead of the other. There are gonna be losses. But if anyone can get past blizzard I believe it's HB. But I also think Blizzards not dumb.. I expect them to find a way to detect all injection soon enough so that there are no more loopholes.

Another thought. They gave instructions on how to turn off trip wire for the gold farmers who didn't care about losing accounts.

 

[tumzone]

New Email.
From: [email protected]
Subject: Account Closure Notification
Text:
Get clink'd you scrub. Account banned for 6 months. HB is dead. If you have any feed back or wish to appeal this decision please visit our support forums.

Get shit on,
Blizzard Activision

 

[id1982]

I am sure that Blizzard somehow can detect if you are running bot with your game or not.
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Since last banwave, I feel it a good chance to do a test.
So I open 3 accounts, played on same computer and same IP.

First one I bot all the time (Lv110).
2nd one I purely played it without bot (lv40).
3rd one just Lv1, jog-in one time only.

The only one got ban is the 1st one.
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So I am sure when you play, the moment you run your bot, Blizzard can detect it right away and put you into next banwave list.

BTW, Tripwire is ON.

Kaliscr Buddy

Join Date 22.11.2016
Posts 2

 

[Hatdred]

Yeah deffinetly wow is getting richer but i also think they have a new IT director whos a motherfucker (I still trust honorbuddy has better team motivated for things different than money wich makes em powerful), if you are gonna "cheat" well is just like cheating on your girlfriend, is good but you get pretty fucked if discovered jajajajaja.

6 weeks before the first banwave hit they hired a virus programmer/coder with experience and they took over the head guy that was doing it he wanted to be head guy if he could ban bots when ever they wanted too there was a forum post I read on the guys some where

 

[glideruser]

honestly.. yall are all dumb af for using this program after the first massive wave what 10 days ago? I also had an account banned and removed everything and will never use it again. no matter how "strong" HB update is. yall are just wasting money at this point. every single hack out there is being detected by wow. The 15+ million $ they have dumped into the security is finally paying off. 10 years later.

 

[automationarmy]

+1

or learn to bot smart

Cause that has anything to do with anything .... .....

 

[Ghostspike0]

The processes HB uses to attach to WoW are clearly detectable. I would have hoped that the HB team would have a more sophisticated answer for us, and at least some more technical information, even an update to say that they still don't know what's going on.

From what I can see, Blizz will keep on mass banning, and farming money from people hoping that the last banwave was it and that they can come back to botting WoW. It's not going to be safe until the exact process of how HB is detected is known and a suitable update remedying that if possible.

Out, Ghost.

 

[Applebudya]

question:

If I had my accounts suspended for 6 mo.. and purchased new accounts all under the same battle.net ID, would any new accounts (not using HB) be suspended as well? (sorry if this had already been covered)

 

[automationarmy]

honestly.. yall are all dumb af for using this program after the first massive wave what 10 days ago? I also had an account banned and removed everything and will never use it again. no matter how "strong" HB update is. yall are just wasting money at this point. every single hack out there is being detected by wow. The 15+ million $ they have dumped into the security is finally paying off. 10 years later.

I call bs. Even if they hired 25 guys to work specifically on security/bots and they started the day wow went live and paid them all 60k/yr and assuming your tallying what they all cumulatively would have made up until now - still doesn't ***** 15m.

People aren't thinking when they talk about blizzards "resources" giving them the upper hand. Their employees are paid to scale just like anyone else in the IT world. Bossland isn't exactly broke either.

The bot devs simply got beat. Blizzard has more talented programmers or someone just isn't thinking outside the box enough. Has little to do with blizzards revenue. Not like they had a 100m dollar supercomputer built to hunt bots. They just have regular ole employees same as bossland.

 

[SHJordan]

question:

If I had my accounts suspended for 6 mo.. and purchased new accounts all under the same battle.net ID, would any new accounts (not using HB) be suspended as well? (sorry if this had already been covered)

Nope. new account = fresh start.

 

[Marley16]

anyidea when hb will be back up ant running to bot again

just got hb yesterday lvled a warr to 35 was afk for 5 10 min at a time not one fault but tried to logg on today and i been banded for 6 month is there any software you get use to hide hb or i have a good ip ***** but is that enough???

 

[angryfrog]

Kaliscr Buddy

Join Date 22.11.2016
Posts 2

Forum account creation has nothing to do with purchase date of the bot. I've had a couple forum accounts here. Been botting with hb since this bot came out and glider died. This forum account I'm posting on doesn't reflect that.

 

[Dominowood]

What can we do to forget about the bot?

 

[Frayman]

+1

or learn to bot smart

In all fairness its not a matter of Botting smart this time.. if it attaches its banned.

You cant convince anyone you missed this banwave

 

[Necrosium]

does anybody start new bots after this banwave ? if so, are they still alive ?

 

[messycan]

guys just stop botting. Bossland is done. and for those who got raped by the buddy store.. im sorry.. this program has become a money sink

time to stop being lazy and grind for real

 

[pirre1234]

Started fresh, lvl 106 now, just woke up. disabled tripwire and botted for 8hours. Still going, hoping for the best last levels then no more hb ever...

 

[Hatdred]

Well.. lets take a couple points from this.

As mentioned, any sign of good news over the years courts wise has been plastered everywhere. Just look at Stormbuddy - Automation Helper for Blizzard's Heroes of the Storm .. to this day there is a insane oversized block of text "ARTICLE: BOSSLAND WINS OVER BLIZZARD" linking to that case. The only thing they won in that case was the money they paid blizzard.. back.. I mean StormBuddy is "TERMINATED" for as they said.. "reasons we do not wish to discuss".

If you assume they would highlight and tout any court victory so loudly and proudly, even after their product was terminated anyways, you can pretty safely assume if court was going so well in general for eight years now they would be touting all about it. The fact is it has went terribly for them outside of their delay tactics.

People must be realistic here. They have lost ~90% of court cases brought by blizzard, not once, but twice, and to think some how the federal appeals court will all of a sudden totally disagree with two prior court's rulings on a dozen cases, not to mention a dozen of similar court cases in the U.S which were already fought and won by Blizzard long ago is fairly land. A handful of elite courts and dozens of cases resulting in losses would make a complete turn-around a miracle here, and I hope they get their miracle. There is no shame in being realistic nor honest about ones situation.

Bossland took a risk in taking on blizzard he has some balls in doing that to stand up for what he believes in... Sadly he is losing from what I get of all the reading I have done on here

 

[Hatdred]

I am 100% sure that Blizzard put small trojan into WoW which scan all the time all your hard drive and memory for bot traces. Only solution is to trick this part of software not to detect your bot software on your hard drives or memory. HB developers need to do that part of job.

At this moment we all need to stop botting until they dont come with solution.

Now when you register new account at Battle.net Blizzard REQUIRE that you give them permission to scan your PC for bot traces . They are forced to include that into their ToS because without that people could report WoW.exe as malware/trojan what game now really is. This is legal defense from their side , if someone reports that Wow.exe is malware/trojan who scan their PC and mess their files to antivirus companies from beeing listed as trojan/virus/malware.

So WoW is now 100% malware , which scans your PC take and sends your data from it to Blizzard - and we need someone to come back with solution how to stop it this malware.



So you cant register and play WoW now until you don't accept this agreement, with which you give them permission to scan your files and folders, memory and send all data about your PC to their company.

If this was true then they have to find it first before they can fix it