Banwave - 19 May 2016 Discussion

[Xcesius]

"Switching to 64bit doesn't change anything detection wise ." Oh,Really?
If you can, you can develop an application under the 64 bit program, to use Routines.
64 wow, image quality and fluency are much higher than 32 bits，And FPS. Have a better choice, why not?

There's already a x64 rotation bot in progress of being made. There's no info about it though

 

[Captshiznit]

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Edit: wrong thread

 

[ThrowAway233]

Well it seems like major fucking luck, but this is 2nd banwave i've avoided by stopping playing 1-2 months before.

I heard there was a banwave at xmas? subscription ran out 1/11. So I avoided that wave by a month it seems.

I resubbed end of feb and played for few months again after xmas following that banwave. Then my sub ran out again 31/3 and I stopped playing avoiding this banwave by 2 months.

Account was botted in arena with combat scripts etc whenever I resubbed. About to resub now, account is not banned. Very lucky? or do banwave windows only last a short period. Just thought i'd throw out my info considering i've narrowly avoided 2.

 

[ryftobuddy]

are u sure that's it's ok now ? that warden don't scan these ips ?

That's what's so silly about what the HB team claims to have done. What exactly would expanding the IP's do if Blizz could easily find the original IP's? They're just going to find the new IP's and we're right back to being detected...If that was even the real cause of the detection.

And no, we aren't ok now. The bot is exactly as safe as it was before this and every other banwave....Which is to say we are not safe, we never have been safe and we never will be safe.

If Blizz is actually reading these forums, like almost everyone here thinks they are, you should expect another banwave 1-4 weeks after legion comes out. People will have upgraded, used their 100 boosts, felt fairly safe that the bot isn't detected, and then boom...Drop the hammer and 75%+ of the botters are gone again. And this time they can't make ridiculous claims to get their Legion accounts refunded.

 

[ryftobuddy]

There's already a x64 rotation bot in progress of being made. There's no info about it though

This is probably the only way that the HB team will see another penny from me.

Pure rotation bot, every class/spec included, unlimited number of connections from one license, both leveling and mythic rotations included, fully x64/Mac compatible and cheaper than the other pure rotation bot out there.

If they can't beat their competition, no reason to use them.

 

[UnderratedPost]

This is probably the only way that the HB team will see another penny from me.

Pure rotation bot, every class/spec included, unlimited number of connections from one license, both leveling and mythic rotations included, fully x64/Mac compatible and cheaper than the other pure rotation bot out there.

If they can't beat their competition, no reason to use them.

This is a ridiculous expectation, they (HB) are a bot provider it's completely different, if they provided us a rotation bot it would be the best in the field because it would be EXTENDABLE that means people can make, tweak and tailor their own rotations, you would have the best rotations and developers on that bot because the buddy developers are simply the best at this stuff

 

[ryftobuddy]

This is a ridiculous expectation, they (HB) are a bot provider it's completely different, if they provided us a rotation bot it would be the best in the field because it would be EXTENDABLE that means people can make, tweak and tailor their own rotations, you would have the best rotations and developers on that bot because the buddy developers are simply the best at this stuff

Ridiculous expectation? There's already another company that offers everything I mentioned and some of their rotations blow away anything that HB has to offer (ex. Ret Pally, Boomkin, WW Monk all crush anything HB offers).

HB has some of the best developers, I agree...But at the same time, some of those devs are spread far too thin (aka. Tuanha) to maintain even one of the specs in their CR's to be the best it can be.

Having third party devs is both a blessing and a curse when it comes to maintaining a top-of-the-line product.

 

[tdw]

This is a ridiculous expectation, they (HB) are a bot provider it's completely different, if they provided us a rotation bot it would be the best in the field because it would be EXTENDABLE that means people can make, tweak and tailor their own rotations, you would have the best rotations and developers on that bot because the buddy developers are simply the best at this stuff

I think you missing his point, when it comes to raiding, HB is the past, HB is so done that there is no amount of love or nostalgia will resurrect it... unless? Someone will take the software and make it actually somewhat similar to product that is best in market for raiding. I'm not saying that it is not possible, but there is no point in intellectualizing it. The fact is, that you can not reach peak performance with current state rotation bot in HB.

 

[UnderratedPost]

Ridiculous expectation? There's already another company that offers everything I mentioned and some of their rotations blow away anything that HB has to offer (ex. Ret Pally, Boomkin, WW Monk all crush anything HB offers).

HB has some of the best developers, I agree...But at the same time, some of those devs are spread far too thin (aka. Tuanha) to maintain even one of the specs in their CR's to be the best it can be.

Having third party devs is both a blessing and a curse when it comes to maintaining a top-of-the-line product.

Can i tweak the rotation codes with that product? Can people make their own simple rotation for some specific purpose? Does it support PvP or can other third party developrs build rotations for PvP or other situations? Could you make a simcraft bot that lets you build your own sim profiles and convert them into a rotation to use with the bot? No didn't think so, it's comparing apples and oranges because what HB provides is way beyond any other product that has ever existed for WoW (and I would wager any game) when it comes to customisation potential. What you are talking about is a niche that HB will never try to fill or compete with and that is good because HB are the best at what they do which is build amazing bots. GTFO with your selfish demands and sense of entitlement

 

[ryftobuddy]

Can i tweak the rotation codes with that product? Can people make their own simple rotation for some specific purpose? Does it support PvP or can other third party developrs build rotations for PvP or other situations? Could you make a simcraft bot that lets you build your own sim profiles and convert them into a rotation to use with the bot? No didn't think so, it's comparing apples and oranges because what HB provides is way beyond any other product that has ever existed for WoW (and I would wager any game) when it comes to customisation potential. What you are talking about is a niche that HB will never try to fill or compete with and that is good because HB are the best at what they do which is build amazing bots. GTFO with your selfish demands

Your selective reading skills are impressive:

1. Yes, you can tweak the rotations by adjusting percentages.
2. Why would I need to make my own rotations when the ones I have work, and work extremely well?
3. Yes, it does support pvp, and does a very good job of pvp rotations. You may have heard of one of the people that wrote the rotation for rogues. His name is Vitalic...Yes, the same one that has produced the best CR that HB has ever had.
4. Read my number 2 again. Why do I care about creating a rotation off of simcraft when I already have dev's that are making amazing rotations for me?

The whole point of the discussion is to create a product that is apples to apples. Yes, comparing HB in its current form is unfair...But that's not what we're discussing. We are discussing a PURE x64 rotation bot. tdw already pointed that out.

If HB is (rumored) to be creating such a rotation bot, it has to have everything I listed, or my money will continue to go to the competition.

I don't care if they add the features I talked about to HB. I only use HB to level and farm gold through automation at this point. If I need a pure rotation bot, HB is definitely not my first choice. And there's no reason for me to throw money at a company any longer when I already have way more keys than I'll ever need.

 

[anubite]

Ridiculous expectation? There's already another company that offers everything I mentioned and some of their rotations blow away anything that HB has to offer (ex. Ret Pally, Boomkin, WW Monk all crush anything HB offers).

HB has some of the best developers, I agree...But at the same time, some of those devs are spread far too thin (aka. Tuanha) to maintain even one of the specs in their CR's to be the best it can be.

Having third party devs is both a blessing and a curse when it comes to maintaining a top-of-the-line product.

Very true about being spread far too thin with HB
Also that other bot does completly blow it away, they got a better paid model for their few devs to work on improving pve rotations constantly and are in great place for legion.
Also besides 64bit they offer Mac support which I currently that bots MAC OSX app along with WW rotation on my main and I've hit 99 to 100% on mythic speed kills using that rotation there was no chance in hell of that happening on HB.

 

[UnderratedPost]

If HB is (rumored) to be creating such a rotation bot, it has to have everything I listed, or my money will continue to go to the competition.

and no one cares about your personal demands! HB are never going to hire a team of developers to maintain raiding rotations for every class, you must be crazy, if they do it they will make something that puts the power in the hands of the community "changing percentages" give me a break, the simcraft project someone made was really genius you should show some respect, HB enables the creativity of a community not a locked down product that you have no control over. but if you really want that then just put your case forward you dont need to add the whole "if they want another penny from me" shtick...you just sound like some self-entitled spoiled brat. but i must be confused about what you are speaking about because i thought you couldnt use it in pvp

the spread too thin argument is irrelevant that is a question of individual developers not HB, what you can do with HB is incredible just look at the diversity of products in the store, imagine that amount of choice in rotations which is what you could get with a succesful HB made rotation bot. and tbh if you have something that fulfills your needs perfectly why do you even care if HB does it themselves, it's a self-defeating argument because what you are saying is that niche is filled so they might as well do something different

 

[ryftobuddy]

and no one cares about your personal demands! HB are never going to hire a team of developers to maintain raiding rotations for every class, you must be crazy, if they do it they will make something that puts the power in the hands of the community "changing percentages" give me a break, the simcraft project someone made was really genius you should show some respect, HB enables the creativity of a community not a locked down product that you have no control over. but if you really want that then just put your case forward you dont need to add the whole "if they want another penny from me" shtick...you just sound like some self-entitled spoiled brat. but i must be confused about what you are speaking about because i thought you couldnt use it in pvp

the spread too thin argument is irrelevant that is a question of individual developers not HB, what you can do with HB is incredible just look at the diversity of products in the store, imagine that amount of choice in rotations which is what you could get with a succesful HB made rotation bot. and tbh if you have something that fulfills your needs perfectly why do you even care if HB does it themselves, it's a self-defeating argument because what you are saying is that niche is filled so they might as well do something different

What a completely irrelevant, useless argument.

The whole discussion is about a pure rotation bot...I don't see how that is so hard for you to understand.

The simcraft project...Where is it now? Oh, that's right, it's dead and useless. Why are you continuing to bring up a botbase that isn't even around anymore? It's gone, just like 90% of the other projects that were ever worthwhile with HB. Just another reason why the "open market" that HB creates should be thrown out the window. Exactly like the store should be.

I care about the discussion because that's the discussion that was brought up. If you haven't noticed, others agree with me. Why do YOU care about it so much since HB already fits your needs perfectly?

Keep in mind who you are talking to here. I'm not some noob that knows nothing about this bot, what it contains and what projects have come and gone. My opinion matters quite a bit on these forums, whether you like it or not, and whether you agree with me or not. There's absolutely nothing you know about this bot that I don't. I've been here since the day it was released, and I'll continue to be here until the day it dies. It's great for what it is, but it's by no means the best at everything.

 

[UnderratedPost]

What a completely irrelevant, useless argument.

The whole discussion is about a pure rotation bot...I don't see how that is so hard for you to understand.

The simcraft project...Where is it now? Oh, that's right, it's dead and useless. Why are you continuing to bring up a botbase that isn't even around anymore? It's gone, just like 90% of the other projects that were ever worthwhile with HB.

I care about the discussion because that's the discussion that was brought up. If you haven't noticed, others agree with me. Why do YOU care about it so much since HB already fits your needs perfectly?

because I think your demands are TOTALLY unrealistic and the best we should ever expect is a separate rotation bot with some nice performance enhancements and maybe the benefit of not being attached to the big main target of HB that all the multi botters and power users use, but if they don't decide to do it fine because HB is still the best bot and I am sure it won't be long before Blizzard are crying into their pillows after another long day of trying to defeat HB!

 

[ryftobuddy]

because I think your demands are TOTALLY unrealistic and the best we should ever expect is a separate rotation bot with some nice performance enhancements and maybe the benefit of not being attached to the big main target of HB that all the multi botters and power users use, but if they don't decide to do it fine because HB is still the best bot and I am sure it won't be long before Blizzard are crying into their pillows after another long day of trying to defeat HB!

My expectations are unrealistic? Really? I've already pointed out that there's another bot that does everything I listed.

What you are doing is showing the HB team that they can release a product that is marginal at best and people will buy it....Which is just sad that you would purchase something like that.

If you really think the HB team is beating Blizz, you really need to get your head on straight. I absolutely guarantee you that HB has lost over 75% of its user base in the last 2 years. And all Blizz needs to do is ramp up the rate at which they roll out banwaves (which you better believe they could do) and next thing you know that this company will be no more.

There comes a point where it becomes economically impossible for the HB team to continue. If Blizz drops banwaves once a month, and then starts banning the Diablo community (which blizz could start doing at any moment, too), who do you think will be crying on their pillows? I guarantee you it won't be Blizz.

 

[gavzter]

Can someone close this thread all who got banned please move on with your life make new account and start over omg !!!!

 

[ryftobuddy]

Can someone close this thread all who got banned please move on with your life make new account and start over omg !!!!

Why would they close a thread with an open discussion going on?

You know you don't have to read the thread if you don't like what's being discussed, right?

 

[gavzter]

why would they close a thread with an open discussion going on?

You know you don't have to read the thread if you don't like what's being discussed, right?

but you people not gonna stop talking about the bann just move on with your life stop arguing over it

 

[ryftobuddy]

but you people not gonna stop talking about the bann just move on with your life stop arguing over it

Who here is arguing about the ban? We're discussing options for the future.

If you're going to complain about what's being said, at least get an idea of what's being said.

 

[gavzter]

i am aware i dont need to read it but its time for this discussion to finish time to move on