[Official] Banwave 1 February 2017 Discussion

[Hatdred]

Blizzard took on hb as it is the final bot they need to prove in court in all country's that these programs are not needed... Bots are not allowed in Asian countrys... So far blizzard is winning in all cases they have done USA Germany and a few other countrys.....

No one will be game to take on a new not if hb loses in court any more than they have done right now

NO. That won't happen. As soon as HB goes down another will step up trust me. There is probably another already made waiting patiently for HB to crash right now OR another bot already on the market will find a lot of HB botters flowing their way. Blizz won't have much time, if any, to celebrate trust me. Many of HB botters are right now looking for a replacement bot already.

 

[Demondog70]

"My fault with mods is this. When Glider was around they would make the bot stay down until they understood fully what the new script or detection addition did. HB decides to come back before they fully understand what is happening and THAT is what is getting us. Glider would make bot stay down for 2 to 3 weeks if need be because they valued the botters' accounts. "

Problem with this is they get all the customers crying bot is down and "let us bot" even though its not safe. They had to make tripwire disable function so people would stop crying when buddyteam was actually trying to figure out issues. You got a majority of users that want safe bot. THen you have the other part that doesnt care about safety or other peoples accounts.

And....Glider did not? Glider got tons of crying also but the old people say it best when they say "a penny of prevention is worth a pound of cure". When other bots are taking banwaves and you are not then the customers are thankful. Right now we get banned almost monthly. A stiff wind passes and 100 accounts are banned. We need take the cryers and get a safer bot.

 

[Demondog70]

Blizzard took on hb as it is the final bot they need to prove in court in all country's that these programs are not needed... Bots are not allowed in Asian countrys... So far blizzard is winning in all cases they have done USA Germany and a few other countrys.....

No one will be game to take on a new not if hb loses in court any more than they have done right now

You honestly think that?

Do you know how many have gone before? I will step back only 1 layer to Glider who got sued up the ying yang and died. From those ashes came Honorbuddy. You think they win by killing HB? No buddy. This game of cat and mouse continues.

Currently there are about 10 bots I count operating within the light. I am betting there are about maybe another 10 waiting in the wings to see what happens here but only from the angle of WHEN this happens. They are waiting to jump in to be the next BIG BOT. I only hope and pray they grow a brain and locate themselves somewhere they are untouchable by the USA and other countries legally.

If you look at the numbers you would understand this is big money. HB claimed to have over 200,000 users. On the face that represents $5million but is that accounts? I know some people are operating 20 plus bots. You do the math. In my hey day I operated over 15 bots myself.

All I can say is killing HB is not the end. It is just another day in the life of botting. Especially with how hungry botters are for the next big thing!!

 

[innomina]

Anyone else banned after the latest HB update? I got hit on a new account on a new computer after 3 hours and only using the singular combat routine in pve while herbing. Can only assume that they can still detect HB v3.0.16936.877
Thoughts?

 

[exaccuss]

Anyone else banned after the latest HB update? I got hit on a new account on a new computer after 3 hours and only using the singular combat routine in pve while herbing. Can only assume that they can still detect HB v3.0.16936.877
Thoughts?

They probably can detect HB, which is why buying HB is pretty much pointless atm.

 

[Hatdred]

All bots that have gone against blizzard have lost in a huge way they lose under the copyright of software or something else it will not matter where they go they are not safe from laws that protect software in korea it is not allowed same with china can u name a country that might be safe

You honestly think that?

Do you know how many have gone before? I will step back only 1 layer to Glider who got sued up the ying yang and died. From those ashes came Honorbuddy. You think they win by killing HB? No buddy. This game of cat and mouse continues.

Currently there are about 10 bots I count operating within the light. I am betting there are about maybe another 10 waiting in the wings to see what happens here but only from the angle of WHEN this happens. They are waiting to jump in to be the next BIG BOT. I only hope and pray they grow a brain and locate themselves somewhere they are untouchable by the USA and other countries legally.

If you look at the numbers you would understand this is big money. HB claimed to have over 200,000 users. On the face that represents $5million but is that accounts? I know some people are operating 20 plus bots. You do the math. In my hey day I operated over 15 bots myself.

All I can say is killing HB is not the end. It is just another day in the life of botting. Especially with how hungry botters are for the next big thing!!

 

[Craptuna0813]

or how about stop being stupid you knew from the november wave that they are hitting farmers big time. learn how to read forums and it might make you alittle smarter

 

[exaccuss]

or how about stop being stupid you knew from the november wave that they are hitting farmers big time. learn how to read forums and it might make you alittle smarter

Its not just farmers, the last time i tried HB, i got hit pretty quickly. And that was just manually questing with a combat routine.

 

[laria]

They probably can detect HB, which is why buying HB is pretty much pointless atm.

So they exchange info with other bot creators about detection methods and according to some of their statistics the amount of bots online doesn't drop to 0 at any time.
So it is probably not detection of the bot itself but suspicious activity.

 

[robokitty]

or how about stop being stupid you knew from the november wave that they are hitting farmers big time. learn how to read forums and it might make you alittle smarter

So they exchange info with other bot creators about detection methods and according to some of their statistics the amount of bots online doesn't drop to 0 at any time.
So it is probably not detection of the bot itself but suspicious activity.

I will have to disagree with both of you. Blizzard suspended my 100% legit account and they said it was detection. They wouldn't give specifics, of course.. but they said it was detected. I submitted 3 different appeals and on the last one I admitted to botting on a different account (which was also banned) but that there was zero usage on the suspended account. I even went as far to say that maybe the API injection was there, but no bot was ever actually used. They just kept saying it was detected on my usual IP and that they were correct, I was wrong. I laughed at them and told them to look at the account and ask themselves if it looked botted. I only owned the game 2 months, period. I didn't even have my 35th trait on my main toon. And my other 2 toons were lvl 100.... 1 of which was the freebie DH. I'm like..... You really think this account is botted? Special kind of retards. Anyway, I know I'm right. I won't play Blizzard games anymore since they like to ban legit accounts. But I will bot the living crap out of them and sell the gold.

the Artifact knowledge system makes starting a new account or waiting for the suspension to be over absolutely pointless. Yea, I love being months and months behind the next player. lol

 

[laria]

Seems to punish the wrong people yea,but we don't make the rules here

 

[Demondog70]

Laria, I have to disagree with you also. The bot is detected and more than likely remains detected. I know the bot creators are talking but I can see now that the cat is a bit smarter than the mouse. One bot owner said to me that it kind of seems on/off detection at times and it makes me wonder how long to the next ban wave as they just tag accounts and then release it in ban waves when they have a big enough pool.

There was a time when we were more patient more thorough with our breaking down of the new added detections Blizz put in place but now today we work more to appease the farmers by releasing too early and not truly understanding what Blizz is truly up to. My evidence is the 2nd November ban wave which was released before they understood WHY we were hit.

I don't want to see HB go down. I want them to survive but they are being reckless at a time when care and attention to details is needed NO MATTER HOW WE SCREAM. Release only after you know with 100% certainty you have a safe bot. Take nothing for granted.

I think even the farmers can appreciate that. Waiting an extra week means gold to them yes but less leveling back up accounts. This madness Boss is on makes casual botting extinct.

 

[Demondog70]

Blizzard took on hb as it is the final bot they need to prove in court in all country's that these programs are not needed... Bots are not allowed in Asian countrys... So far blizzard is winning in all cases they have done USA Germany and a few other countrys.....

No one will be game to take on a new not if hb loses in court any more than they have done right now

My problem with your argument is you seem to think bot creators don't understand from day 1 what they are getting into. My bet is they are hedging their bets that they will make a crap load of money before they are asked to stop operations. I think some bot makers maybe stay around too long and are too easy to find.

And to your point on countries. I would probably start my bot from somewhere in Africa or maybe Afghanistan which has no copyright laws or extradition treaties. Trust me when I say there are many places to start a bot from that would allow you a few years well of running a bot before they figure out how to get to you. Ethiopia also has no copyright laws and no extradition treaties. Iran also. I could go on and on.

The way to play this game if you don't know is to move your company every say 4 to 5 years from one of these countries to another. I bet you could do this 2 or 3 times and just disappear. Set someone up to rinse and repeat after you and drive Blizzard nuts.

 

[Soullinker]

My problem with your argument is you seem to think bot creators don't understand from day 1 what they are getting into. My bet is they are hedging their bets that they will make a crap load of money before they are asked to stop operations. I think some bot makers maybe stay around too long and are too easy to find.

And to your point on countries. I would probably start my bot from somewhere in Africa or maybe Afghanistan which has no copyright laws or extradition treaties. Trust me when I say there are many places to start a bot from that would allow you a few years well of running a bot before they figure out how to get to you. Ethiopia also has no copyright laws and no extradition treaties. Iran also. I could go on and on.

The way to play this game if you don't know is to move your company every say 4 to 5 years from one of these countries to another. I bet you could do this 2 or 3 times and just disappear. Set someone up to rinse and repeat after you and drive Blizzard nuts.

This was discussed in the legal part of the forums, i too had the same idea.
Which was rebuked by people telling me that Blizzard is after Bossland as a person not as a company, and if they win he won't be allowed to touch HB ever again or be associated with HB in any way.

So here comes the problem, even if you company is based in some god forgotten place (Sealand, Somalia etc) the owner may live in German,UK, US and so on which easily makes it possible for the law to be executed in those countries.

In order to do the 3-4 year shuffle the people running this must live in a god forgotten land too, but then what is the point of making millions in bot revenue if you don't have the infrastructure to have tap water.

Then again if you make millions a year living in Zimbabwe in own personal mansion is not so bad.

 

[Demondog70]

This was discussed in the legal part of the forums, i too had the same idea.
Which was rebuked by people telling me that Blizzard is after Bossland as a person not as a company, and if they win he won't be allowed to touch HB ever again or be associated with HB in any way.

So here comes the problem, even if you company is based in some god forgotten place (Sealand, Somalia etc) the owner may live in German,UK, US and so on which easily makes it possible for the law to be executed in those countries.

In order to do the 3-4 year shuffle the people running this must live in a god forgotten land too, but then what is the point of making millions in bot revenue if you don't have the infrastructure to have tap water.

Then again if you make millions a year living in Zimbabwe in own personal mansion is not so bad.

That would be the suggestion. You live where the bot is. So they come after him they face the same legal issues. No copyright no extradition.

 

[prettygreat]

Lmao, loaded up HB today and did nothing but manual quest with a CR and got banned after a few hours.

 

[Craptuna0813]

So people are still getting banns even after the wave? can anyone confirm that almost everyone who has started up again was banned or are their people still botting and not hit?

 

[Demondog70]

History tells us that when it's not masses being banned that these are remnants from a previous ban wave or reports.....BUT I am of the belief that we still being tagged. I think we are still being detected. The proof will come within the coming weeks when they have enough tags and are ready to release.

 

[Craptuna0813]

Im wondering if people starting new accounts are getting banned with no clear connection of old accounts or bnets.

 

[Demondog70]

Im wondering if people starting new accounts are getting banned with no clear connection of old accounts or bnets.

Maybe on same PC