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Ban Theories and Ban Waves

buddybud said:
how do you watch movies before they even get to the cinema?
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Lower end people steal a copy, or someone hacks something that has it stored. It's not the same thing. The people working on Warden and a few people at the top are most likely the only ones with any access to this.
 
After seeing the number of people using the champ hunter profiles that are getting banned, including the maker of some of them, I have an idea of what MAY be flagging people.

I noticed, as well as a few other people, that the champ hunter profiles were sticking at spots in the fields (both of them) starting a week or two ago. It was breaking my bot, as it would often cause a complete freeze for me.

I personally edited the fields out of mine completely, as well as changed te entire order of the profile. I start and end on different places than the default profile.

No idea if this is even possible, but could Blizz have put some spots there that would confuse a bot and help them flag it?
 
darthtater said:
You're misunderstanding what botting 24/7 is indicative of. No one can bot for 160 hours naturally. You have to pee, sleep eventually eat etc. I would bet that anyone playing more than 24 hours straight through would be a bot.
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I am not sure about you but more then a few times playing EverQuest I spent 72-96 hours gaming straight. You only need a few seconds to take a piss or grab another 2 liter out of the fridge. Sleep 5-6 hours repeat. People who are having fun and have no time limits (normally younger people with less responsibilities) have no regard for time spent/lost. I know I did not.
 
JimJohnsonBanMe4life said:
I am not sure about you but more then a few times playing EverQuest I spent 72-96 hours gaming straight. You only need a few seconds to take a piss or grab another 2 liter out of the fridge. Sleep 5-6 hours repeat. People who are having fun and have no time limits (normally younger people with less responsibilities) have no regard for time spent/lost. I know I did not.
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I did the same. Of course, that can be deadly, as has been shown by all the Asian kids dying after as few as 30 or 40 hours of straight gaming.
 
Valen said:
damn that made me laugh and the sad thing is that it is probably true
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i hate wow. how do i know this? my friend told me about his guild prepping for a raid and thats what almost 2/3 of the guild did :|

and i do know this for a fact because i could hear them tlakign to the guild on skype/voicechat shit
 
Master_Cirroji said:
i hate wow. how do i know this? my friend told me about his guild prepping for a raid and thats what almost 2/3 of the guild did :|

and i do know this for a fact because i could hear them tlakign to the guild on skype/voicechat shit
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When I was playing WoW we had a Paladin who used to joke that he played completely nude, on a plastic lawn chair, with a plastic tarp (the ones you use for painting) under him so he could just piss and shit without moving.

I knew him for a while, and he was a pretty funny guy, but he said it so seriously that I still couldn't help but wonder if he was truly joking or not.
 
I just read every thread on the first 2 pages.. and practically 99% of them have botted 24/7. Some have been banned using VNPs and Proxeis and one post said that it might have helped.

What you can discern (especially based on my previous post on how Blizzard may implement flagging based on tiers of infractions and a hierarchy of investigation), 24/7 will be the highest RISK. This is going to bring out everyone that says "been going 24/7 and strong for 3 months!" but those are the exceptions. Just scroll down and quickly click through all the threads on the first and second page. Every one of them is 24/7. It doesn't mean that there's not luck or randomness involved cause people bot 24/7 but it means the risks are higher than 12 hour botting. But that being said, 24/7 might bring in more money and you can just roll with it with the expectation that you'll get banned someday. Just burn it to the ground and take as much as you can.

VNPs will not save you IF you are flagged on a higher tier, AKA 24/7. I believe if you're on 24/7 or exceeding some gametime limit, they flag you with a high tier that goes into investigation. ONCE its been human investigated, that's when they make the decision a ban is executed. And once a ban is OKed, they look through all the IPs and what not and decide WHAT or WHICH accounts are related and then banned together.

I don't believe they place multiple IPs onto higher tiers of flagging. That would rule out all colleges, universities, etc. From a logistical standpoint, the high tier flag would have to come from botting behavior and patterns like 24/7 for extended periods of time. And the algorithm and rules must be set so it doesn't mistakenly take out legit players. Once it's flagged, they investigate and make the decision to ban. Only then will they have to look into WHAT to ban and that's when they investigate into related IPs and what not.


If anyone believes this to be false, I'd like to see ban reports of people who have been banned for botting 8-12 hours a day and doing it properly. No chest runs or gold farming. I'm sure they exist of course but the ratio of 24/7 bans to 12 hour botting bans are like 20 to 1. At least on this forum.
 
Hi all,

I saw lot of banreports from last 2 days ,Are there any banwaves riding around or just coincidence?.
+1 Question: If u got banned , u cant use the same IP again without get instantbanned, or have they to catch u again?.

Thx for ur time.
 
kettlecorn - there were ban reports 16/7 and even 12/7 and 8-10/7. U made ok post, but forgot about one important thing. if 90% ppl do 24/7 what percentage of ban reports will have 24/7?
 
kettlecorn said:
I just read every thread on the first 2 pages.. and practically 99% of them have botted 24/7. Some have been banned using VNPs and Proxeis and one post said that it might have helped.

What you can discern (especially based on my previous post on how Blizzard may implement flagging based on tiers of infractions and a hierarchy of investigation), 24/7 will be the highest RISK. This is going to bring out everyone that says "been going 24/7 and strong for 3 months!" but those are the exceptions. Just scroll down and quickly click through all the threads on the first and second page. Every one of them is 24/7. It doesn't mean that there's not luck or randomness involved cause people bot 24/7 but it means the risks are higher than 12 hour botting. But that being said, 24/7 might bring in more money and you can just roll with it with the expectation that you'll get banned someday. Just burn it to the ground and take as much as you can.

VNPs will not save you IF you are flagged on a higher tier, AKA 24/7. I believe if you're on 24/7 or exceeding some gametime limit, they flag you with a high tier that goes into investigation. ONCE its been human investigated, that's when they make the decision a ban is executed. And once a ban is OKed, they look through all the IPs and what not and decide WHAT or WHICH accounts are related and then banned together.

I don't believe they place multiple IPs onto higher tiers of flagging. That would rule out all colleges, universities, etc. From a logistical standpoint, the high tier flag would have to come from botting behavior and patterns like 24/7 for extended periods of time. And the algorithm and rules must be set so it doesn't mistakenly take out legit players. Once it's flagged, they investigate and make the decision to ban. Only then will they have to look into WHAT to ban and that's when they investigate into related IPs and what not.


If anyone believes this to be false, I'd like to see ban reports of people who have been banned for botting 8-12 hours a day and doing it properly. No chest runs or gold farming. I'm sure they exist of course but the ratio of 24/7 bans to 12 hour botting bans are like 20 to 1. At least on this forum.
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If you think the bot doing 12 hour farming from x time to y time every day 5 days a week, is not just as easily tracked as botting 24/7. You used a lot more intellect writing your post then you should get credit for.
 
solokazama said:
kettlecorn - there were ban reports 16/7 and even 12/7 and 8-10/7. U made ok post, but forgot about one important thing. if 90% ppl do 24/7 what percentage of ban reports will have 24/7?
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I agree with you, there were ban reports for less hours, I have said that already. But how do you know 90% of people are doing 24/7? I dont think that's the case. That means 9/10 people using demonbuddy and on this forum is going 24/7 and that percentage doesn't seem to be true. But who knows, there's no real answer to this.

JimJohnsonBanMe4life said:
If you think the bot doing 12 hour farming from x time to y time every day 5 days a week, is not just as easily tracked as botting 24/7. You used a lot more intellect writing your post then you should get credit for.
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If you think that running a bot or playing a game for 24 hour/ 7 days a week looks human and won't be picked up by blizzard's antihacking rules and algorithms compared to 12 hour farms/5 days a week (YOUR example, not mine. also which is 100% what many gamer's habits look like), then maybe worrying about other people's intellect is a hindrance in your ability to employ common sense.
Blizzard flags accounts based on certain patterns and behaviors. Period. You don't need to listen to the interview with Markee Dragon and blizzard's antihacking team to know that. No company simply has enough manpower to human investigate everything. Computers have rule and algorithms and it was said from the horse's mouth that every mouse stroke, every key stroke, every conversation is recorded and logged. Don't misconstrue that has "being investigated". There are trillions if not more actions being logged everyday into a database. The KEY to finding botters and hackers for Blizzard is to filter based on various rules of violation and to do it WITHOUT banning legitimate players.

And the only way to be sure is to flag on various tiers, things that we know are already on their list. We don't know the details or exactly how, but things like game limit, 24/7 gameplay for extended periods of time, gold limits or too much gold in a very short time period, and whatever else people have suspected got them banned. Once the computer flags certain accounts for suspicious activity, only then can a human being go into it and investigate to make sure it's not a legit player or a nonissue. I'm sure they get a lot of those as well.
How do YOU think the process works? Cause from what I'm telling you this is based on common sense, business logic, and directly what's been evidenced and admitted by the antihack team. You think they just have 10000 workers sitting at multi-workstations inspecting random people's account, watching their moves and to see if they have weird movement and monitor their ACTUAL gameplay? Yeah right, if you think that's how it's done, that's analogous to thinking shoes are assembled by a team of elves on a conveyor belt. Business, corporations are different. Data and data analysis is the key here and that's not something I'm making up. The focus on anti hacking is nearly 100% on data and user behavior analysis. Only in the final stages it gets the privilege of the human touch.
So tell me does running ANY account for 24 hours 7 days a week sound like something you WOULDN'T put on a high tier flag list from Blizzard that will make it more LIKELY to get a future human investigation? And please read, MORE LIKELY. I never said guarantee. I know that if it was my job on the line at Blizzard, 24/7 gameplay is the first thing to be on the flag list with the highest rating. But I bet you even then there are too many of THOSE to weed through so yes, due to the large numbers of botters, hackers, exploiters, etc. versus the limit in manpower, it is "random". I don't believe Blizzard to be holding back anything in their ability to find and uproot botters except for the slight possibility of maintaining an economic or business finance reason.
 
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kettlecorn does make a lot of sense. bottom line is, everything is just speculation but throw in some common sense and you can minimize your chances of getting banned. Since the recent spike up in ban reports I've stopped botting completely (even though I only run 1 account) and just going to let it cool down for a bit just in case.
 
I'm still going strong. Sometimes my tinfoil hat makes me think backwards. Not logging in after a banwave? Looks like a bot to me! I'm kidding....mostly, but really you never know when you're going to be flagged for ban so just ride the wave.

Also, what mfsbb said; use common sense and don't bot 24/7.....IMO.....
 
I'm still going 24/7 and haven't been hit! I'm sure it's mostly luck, but I also take as many precautions as I can (except I did trade with my main account, but netted $200 quickly out of it so eh).
 
I find it really odd that 24/7 for 1-2Weeks doesnt get you savely banned. It would be very easy to search by that parameter for the antihacking team.
Same goes for the XP/Week farmed by an 27/7 bot.

Gives a very nice wiggle room ;)

A question though:

Is it saver to have different IPs when using multiple accounts who did NOT trade with each other whatsoever?
 
ive botted 24/7 for 1 month, this morning lost my highest paragon, 97. so far the other 5 accs havnt been affected.

i think after the sly update they did last night they upped warden.

and no same ip is fine, you can claim family members were playing aswell as me. if they catch you its for botting. although we never know it could increase the chance of investigation which leads to botting detection.
 
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UnknownRequest said:
I find it really odd that 24/7 for 1-2Weeks doesnt get you savely banned. It would be very easy to search by that parameter for the antihacking team.
Same goes for the XP/Week farmed by an 27/7 bot.

Gives a very nice wiggle room ;)

A question though:

Is it saver to have different IPs when using multiple accounts who did NOT trade with each other whatsoever?
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Well, if they truly didn't trade with each other at all, and you are unloading each one to places unrelated to you (3rd party, JSP, whatever), and different IPs, and using different profiles for each, there is really no link at all between them other than DB. You SHOULD be safer from losing all at once.

Of course, if you are doing something on all of them that is something they are flagging for, you could get them all hit.
 
Hi. I have a question about botting.
If I'm using demonbuddy for 7-10 days botting 12-15 hours per day, what are the chances for getting ban?
 
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