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Aww no I got banned again....

louevil said:
I am an attorney and this is incredibly stupid.

Spyware isn't "illegal." Some states may have laws that deal with the repercussions of the spyware, such as data leaks or hacks, but no. Just no.

There are 2 acts in congress which makes utilizing the data illegal, but they banned you from a game, where they say not to use 3rd party hacks. Its completely reasonable for them to make attempts to ban people that break those rules.

But go ahead buddy, pay a retainer to some lawyer "to sue" blizzard. Btw, what are your damages? You cant pay for something anymore that you dont legally own?
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Thanks for the derogatory tone. I was trying to offer valid information. But regardless, Blizzard has already been taken to court previously over Warden being spyware, and they lost. There is a precedence set here.

I don't actually believe you are a lawyer. The damages are an invasion of privacy and a lawyer would clearly understand this. And in this case, the invasion of privacy of millions of subscribers. By the way, some forms of spyware ARE illegal in the U.S., so I again assert that you are not a lawyer.

Spyware that you "agree" to is not a legal issue within most jurisdictions. But if you are unaware of or have not consented to the installation of the software in question, it IS illegal. Just because it goes largely un-prosecuted, or is largely ignored, doesn't mean it's not against the law. And most of the times these things ONLY come to light when someone files a lawsuit.

On top of all of this, I wouldn't sue for "damages", I would file a cease and desist under an injuctive relief. Blizzard doesn’t inform their subscribers that when installing the game and running it, that they are also scanning your computer for hack/bot software, (if they are doing this). This would amount to a deceptive trade practice and/or invasions of privacy. I have a right to my privacy and while Blizzard has a right to protect their investment, they do NOT have a right to invade my privacy to do so and if they did intend to do so, they are legally obligated to inform their user-base prior to installing their software that this is their intention.

http://www.spamlaws.com/spyware-laws.html
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula.html
 
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tubajedimr said:
Thanks for the derogatory tone. I was trying to offer valid information. But regardless, Blizzard has already been taken to court previously over Warden being spyware, and they lost. There is a precedence set here.

I don't actually believe you are a lawyer. The damages are an invasion of privacy and a lawyer would clearly understand this. And in this case, the invasion of privacy of millions of subscribers. By the way, some forms of spyware ARE illegal in the U.S., so I again assert that you are not a lawyer.

Spyware that you "agree" to is not a legal issue within most jurisdictions. But if you are unaware of or have not consented to the installation of the software in question, it IS illegal. Just because it goes largely un-prosecuted, or is largely ignored, doesn't mean it's not against the law. And most of the times these things ONLY come to light when someone files a lawsuit.

On top of all of this, I wouldn't sue for "damages", I would file a cease and desist under an injuctive relief. Blizzard doesn’t inform their subscribers that when installing the game and running it, that they are also scanning your computer for hack/bot software, (if they are doing this). This would amount to a deceptive trade practice and/or invasions of privacy. I have a right to my privacy and while Blizzard has a right to protect their investment, they do NOT have a right to invade my privacy to do so and if they did intend to do so, they are legally obligated to inform their user-base prior to installing their software that this is their intention.

http://www.spamlaws.com/spyware-laws.html
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula.html
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A cease and desist order...against a game company...for a game that you play...

You do realize that a cease and desist order works in both ways, right? If someone has a cease and desist order against them, they cannot be approached by you either (ie. you can no longer play the game, and anyone in the lawsuit cannot play the game either.)

So you have 2 choices:

1. You play the game and live with it
2. You don't play the game

Why don't you go ahead and sue the government while you're at it too. File a cease and desist order against them. It's common knowledge that everything you do online is being spied on all day, every day by the NSA. You own an iPhone? Go ahead and sue Apple for tracking your movements. You use Google? Their tracking everything you've ever searched for on the internet using their search engine.

As it was already stated, Blizzard has already set a precedence on this matter after winning law suits concerning the use of Warden. So if you think that's going to be your angle, think again. You don't just walk into a court and file a law suit saying, "I think they're doing something illegal". Courts work on PROOF. If you can't prove something, you have no case.
 
Craptuna0813 said:
Are you stupid? What are your damages? How about many people dump hundreds of dollars into this game for boost server transfers and what not just to see it all go up in the wind that would be considered damages. And while yes blizz does own the rights to the game they dont own the rights for people to get what they paid for. And there is nothing in the tos that states if you pay money on in game services and then break the rules you loose all the money vested into your account. So in essence you loose your hard erned money for a hack that is prolly not even suppose to be used to run on a persons personal property. Id say there are reasons to go after blizz.
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You should realize that the EULA definitely does say that if you break the rules, you do lose all money you've invested into your account. This discussion came up when people asked if they could get a refund for Legion if they were banned, too. You do not own anything besides maybe the game disks that were given with you when it comes to world of warcraft. Everything related to the game is hosted on Blizzard servers, they own all rights to everything you've ever done in the game.

You could open a case in small claims court asking for all your money back. Hell, you'll probably win, too. You definitely aren't getting anything more than what you paid though, nor are you setting any type of precedence with your silly case either, nor are you proving that blizz did anything illegal.
 
Either way you all do notice that hb hasnt said anything in relation to this and hasn't done anything to help us not get detected just keeps charging more money and keeping everything just like it was. Open your eyes guys this botting of wow is over. Am i sad to see it go yes because we have done it for years and it was great but hb doesn't care about us no more then we care about wow. At least we get our main accounts back minus our god dam gold that was on it so id say screw it move on to some thing else that blizzard doesn't control.
 
Craptuna0813 said:
Either way you all do notice that hb hasnt said anything in relation to this and hasn't done anything to help us not get detected just keeps charging more money and keeping everything just like it was. Open your eyes guys this botting of wow is over. Am i sad to see it go yes because we have done it for years and it was great but hb doesn't care about us no more then we care about wow. At least we get our main accounts back minus our god dam gold that was on it so id say screw it move on to some thing else that blizzard doesn't control.
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Maybe YOU should open your eyes. The HB team has said something.
 
one of 2 things will happen here either bossland is gonna figure this out and it sounds like they are...and btw what are they supposed to say..we know why they found the bots and here it is..so blizz can change it??? DUH!!! or HB is over. Im voting for HB to figure it out and get us all back to botting relatively safe.
 
im fine with botting on bot accounts for 6 months amassing a ton of gold and supplies and everything i need to dump into a guild bank and account thats not linked or has ever had any bot attached to to have those accounts banned for 6 or 18 or perma banned as long as i get what i need outta it for the next 6 months....
 
tubajedimr said:
If they are "detecting" HB, then they are potential doing something illegal and someone (maybe a lawyer) should sue them. It IS in fact illegal for a program to detect another program running on your computer unless you have explicitly said this is something you are okay with.
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You are correct and Blizzard is probably not the stupid to do that. They probably found a way to detect the injection.
 
No hb has only stated another bann wave and said they would look into it so To me i think hb has failed in every aspect to protect the botting community once again only a month after the first wave so again yousir fail.
 
GM wrote me this as.

"This account action has already been thoroughly reviewed and will not be investigated again. Further tickets concerning this issue may be closed without a response.

The game client may monitor your computer's RAM and/or CPU processes for unauthorized third party programs running concurrently with the game.

An unauthorized third party program is defined as any third party software (including Addons) that facilitates *****ing; intercepts, mines or collects information from the game database; or allows modifying or hacking of the game interface, environment or experience in any way not expressly authorized by Blizzard Entertainment."

Say what you want about being detected, but people not even starting the bot yet got banned. People who bottet on one account and played another got banned. And a GM writing they may scan RAM and CPU/processes.
 
ryftobuddy said:
A cease and desist order...against a game company...for a game that you play...

You do realize that a cease and desist order works in both ways, right? If someone has a cease and desist order against them, they cannot be approached by you either (ie. you can no longer play the game, and anyone in the lawsuit cannot play the game either.)

So you have 2 choices:

1. You play the game and live with it
2. You don't play the game

Why don't you go ahead and sue the government while you're at it too. File a cease and desist order against them. It's common knowledge that everything you do online is being spied on all day, every day by the NSA. You own an iPhone? Go ahead and sue Apple for tracking your movements. You use Google? Their tracking everything you've ever searched for on the internet using their search engine.

As it was already stated, Blizzard has already set a precedence on this matter after winning law suits concerning the use of Warden. So if you think that's going to be your angle, think again. You don't just walk into a court and file a law suit saying, "I think they're doing something illegal". Courts work on PROOF. If you can't prove something, you have no case.
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The cease and desist order would be ONLY for them to cease and desist spying on computer processes. This has nothing to do with playing the game or not, this is about them overstepping their boundaries (again, only if they are actually doing it of course).

"If someone has a cease and desist order against them, they cannot be approached by you either (ie. you can no longer play the game, and anyone in the lawsuit cannot play the game either.)"

While I'm willing to not play the game for that reason, the cease and desist would not prevent that as it has nothing to do with either of us playing the game, it has to do with demanding that WHILE I PLAY their game, they do not spy on my computer's running processes, which to a reasonable person is not an unreasonable request.


"Why don't you go ahead and sue the government while you're at it too."

Horray for the slippery slope!

"It's common knowledge that everything you do online is being spied on all day, every day by the NSA. "

This is completely irrelevant. You're comparing apples and oranges. One is something we could do something about, the other is something we can't.

"Their tracking everything you've ever searched for on the internet using their search engine."

Again, NOT WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT. They TELL you they're tracking you. You may not like that they're doing it, but they are not doing it behind your back. Blizzard IS doing it without consent. And tracking a location is a lot different than reading what's on my computer.
 
tubajedimr said:
Thanks for the derogatory tone. I was trying to offer valid information. But regardless, Blizzard has already been taken to court previously over Warden being spyware, and they lost. There is a precedence set here.

I don't actually believe you are a lawyer. The damages are an invasion of privacy and a lawyer would clearly understand this. And in this case, the invasion of privacy of millions of subscribers. By the way, some forms of spyware ARE illegal in the U.S., so I again assert that you are not a lawyer.

Spyware that you "agree" to is not a legal issue within most jurisdictions. But if you are unaware of or have not consented to the installation of the software in question, it IS illegal. Just because it goes largely un-prosecuted, or is largely ignored, doesn't mean it's not against the law. And most of the times these things ONLY come to light when someone files a lawsuit.

On top of all of this, I wouldn't sue for "damages", I would file a cease and desist under an injuctive relief. Blizzard doesn’t inform their subscribers that when installing the game and running it, that they are also scanning your computer for hack/bot software, (if they are doing this). This would amount to a deceptive trade practice and/or invasions of privacy. I have a right to my privacy and while Blizzard has a right to protect their investment, they do NOT have a right to invade my privacy to do so and if they did intend to do so, they are legally obligated to inform their user-base prior to installing their software that this is their intention.

http://www.spamlaws.com/spyware-laws.html
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula.html
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Lol. Nope
 
Craptuna0813 said:
Either hb has to be completely redone or time for botting wow is over.
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I was online for the WoWGlider Banwave, the MMOGlider Banwave, Gen1 Pirox, Gen2 Pirox. and all the little crap in betweeen. WoW botting won't be over till they shut down their servers.
 
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