Aww no I got banned again....

[DocBrown]

I was just talking with a software engineer buddy from school about this. They have to be scanning something outside of the WoW directory. Which to me sounds like some unethical shit. I want to believe the HB devs are smart so maybe the WoW auditing guys had to do some underhanded stuff?

you can do what game genie did to nintendo, put a lawsuit on blizz then when in court blizz has no chioice to show how they ban

 

[louevil]

I'm saying, if someone who was affected by this ban wave happens to be a lawyer.

"Could you maybe show us that "fact" that it is illegal for a program to detect other programs?"

It is called spyware, and this is illegal in the U.S.

"by your "fact"/logic HB is illegal, and all anti virus programs are illegal as well."

HB is something you are opening with the intent and knowledge that it is detecting other software. It is illegal for a program to do it without your knowledge or express permission for it to do so. And even if that were true, HB is not a U.S. based software, while Blizzard games are, so they fall under different jurisdictions.

"It is true that Warden is not allowed to scan outside of WoW, is that what you mean?"

Correct. It doesn't mean they aren't doing it, but if they are, then it is illegal for them to do so.

Also, the way in which antiviruses function is not the same in which spyware/adware collects and sends data. Antiviruses detect installed files, not (in most cases) running processes. They run a deep scan of files on the computer and then cross-reference it against a list of known PUPs. The way adware/spyware functions is reading currently running processes on the computer and then relaying that information to a third party server against the knowledge of the end-user.

I am an attorney and this is incredibly stupid.

Spyware isn't "illegal." Some states may have laws that deal with the repercussions of the spyware, such as data leaks or hacks, but no. Just no.

There are 2 acts in congress which makes utilizing the data illegal, but they banned you from a game, where they say not to use 3rd party hacks. Its completely reasonable for them to make attempts to ban people that break those rules.

But go ahead buddy, pay a retainer to some lawyer "to sue" blizzard. Btw, what are your damages? You cant pay for something anymore that you dont legally own?

 

[stewiethecat]

Dude... buy a lottery ticket... srsly. You lucky twat

I am not holding my breath. I believe most of the bans went out but there is still a chance they are looking into a few stragglers like myself. If not. Then yea. Someone at blizzard misplaced my file

 

[ryftobuddy]

I am an attorney and this is incredibly stupid.

Spyware isn't "illegal." Some states may have laws that deal with the repercussions of the spyware, such as data leaks or hacks, but no. Just no.

There are 2 acts in congress which makes utilizing the data illegal, but they banned you from a game, where they say not to use 3rd party hacks. Its completely reasonable for them to make attempts to ban people that break those rules.

But go ahead buddy, pay a retainer to some lawyer "to sue" blizzard. Btw, what are your damages? You cant pay for something anymore that you dont legally own?

I REALLY like this post, and I like you.

Keep on speaking the truth.

 

[oneslowz28]

I'm not sure how i dodged this 1 but i did I didnt get banned I used HB this week including last night

 

[Quadroon]

You do actually agree to it when you click accept to Blizz's TOS

I'll admit to being like congress with the health care bill.. I didn't read the that lengthy shit... er TOS or EULA.... is there verbage in there or is it speculation that we grant them permission to scan all process and files etc... on our PCs?

 

[Beez]

What mail told you guys that you were banned? Curious

 

[namook]

I've been using HB on and off for the last 3-4 weeks, not banned. Only used my routine + enyo on dummies

They are watching you don't worry about that, first time since honor buddy was out that I have been susspended, they will catch up with you and they will cash in on all these new boosted accounts... will even make some subs look good for investors I dare say. I will keep botting until I lose all my accounts boost another up bot again, I don't even see the point of honor buddy closing down now they can change code as much as they like, blizzard is watching and they do it this time of year so everyone is ready for legion...

 

[Maddhatter]

I'll admit to being like congress with the health care bill.. I didn't read the that lengthy shit... er TOS or EULA.... is there verbage in there or is it speculation that we grant them permission to scan all process and files etc... on our PCs?

I don't think they are scanning all of the stuff on our computer. They gather information on things that interact with their program, so if you have a process on your system that is sending input to the game it collects data on it and sends it back to Blizz.

Someone can quote the exact TOU/EULA again and check, but the section regarding monitoring programs says something about programs that INTERACT with WoW. It is not a blanket statement about gathering data from your computer.

 

[namook]

What the HB team should do is have a feature in the bot that allows people to be able to log in at their own free will, by all means disconnect the majority so they are blinded that the program may be safe enough after reactivation. But allow those of us who see through it all, one way I am going to be banned, so I would love for an option that will allow me to still log in to HB while others are feeling safe. To activate tripwire does not save accounts even when it is deactivated, in months from now many accounts will be susspended again what is the point? To try keep a custormer base? who cares that option would be good if it could be implemented for those of us willing to risk accounts in the first place. No adjusting any code in HB will protect anyone in any bot.

 

[ryftobuddy]

you can do what game genie did to nintendo, put a lawsuit on blizz then when in court blizz has no chioice to show how they ban

No, that's not how it works. No court can order a company to give up proprietary information like that. Go look into Trade Secret Law.

What a court can order is for a corporation to release information to a prosecuting entity. Information can then be sifted through, through a process called discovery. Data that is discovered through that process can be presented to a court, but may also be deemed to not be presented to the public due to said Trade Secret Law.

 

[Quadroon]

What the HB team should do is have a feature in the bot that allows people to be able to log in at their own free will, by all means disconnect the majority so they are blinded that the program may be safe enough after reactivation. But allow those of us who see through it all, one way I am going to be banned, so I would love for an option that will allow me to still log in to HB while others are feeling safe. To activate tripwire does not save accounts even when it is deactivated, in months from now many accounts will be susspended again what is the point? To try keep a custormer base? who cares that option would be good if it could be implemented for those of us willing to risk accounts in the first place. No adjusting any code in HB will protect anyone in any bot.

You're on base. Tripwire seems like a selling point to me, like vanity mirrors in a car. Not an autonomous bot detection scheme as much as oh... yeah a bunch of bans just happened... lets (manually) hit the "tripwire" (tripwire by the way denotes an automatic response to an external stimulation). It's a business so I understand why they do it. Makes plebs feel safe I'm sure. Not sure why it can't be turned off... not like it prevents suspensions before the fact, not bitching. Just stating the observable.

 

[louevil]

No, that's not how it works. No court can order a company to give up proprietary information like that. Go look into Trade Secret Law.

What a court can order is for a corporation to release information to a prosecuting entity. Information can then be sifted through, through a process called discovery. Data that is discovered through that process can be presented to a court, but may also be deemed to not be presented to the public due to said Trade Secret Law.

Nice work counselor.

 

[HBfanboy1980]

I dont think they are back dating, But they sure know when you are using HB. I got my 10 accounts banned in the prior banwave and once they got opened I never botted but played normally on them. (they are not banned) So blizzard knows when you are botting

you played "normally" 10 accts? I'm confused.

 

[HBfanboy1980]

No, that's not how it works. No court can order a company to give up proprietary information like that. Go look into Trade Secret Law.

What a court can order is for a corporation to release information to a prosecuting entity. Information can then be sifted through, through a process called discovery. Data that is discovered through that process can be presented to a court, but may also be deemed to not be presented to the public due to said Trade Secret Law.

Nice work counselor.

have to agree ftmp, if this was possible some people with large amounts of cash would have already sued blizz when they got banned for this information. I'd have done it back in 4.2 when I lost my original wow acct and all its goodies.

 

[razer]

you played "normally" 10 accts? I'm confused.

multibox yes.....but thanks to HB I got 50 level 100's

 

[Craptuna0813]

Are you stupid? What are your damages? How about many people dump hundreds of dollars into this game for boost server transfers and what not just to see it all go up in the wind that would be considered damages. And while yes blizz does own the rights to the game they dont own the rights for people to get what they paid for. And there is nothing in the tos that states if you pay money on in game services and then break the rules you loose all the money vested into your account. So in essence you loose your hard erned money for a hack that is prolly not even suppose to be used to run on a persons personal property. Id say there are reasons to go after blizz.

 

[wizfor]

i wish blizzard would get sued over this. im sure they are doing many things illegal. the main thing for me that i want to sue them is the amount of time and money i put into wow.. all gone

 

[wizfor]

I am an attorney and this is incredibly stupid.

Spyware isn't "illegal." Some states may have laws that deal with the repercussions of the spyware, such as data leaks or hacks, but no. Just no.

There are 2 acts in congress which makes utilizing the data illegal, but they banned you from a game, where they say not to use 3rd party hacks. Its completely reasonable for them to make attempts to ban people that break those rules.

But go ahead buddy, pay a retainer to some lawyer "to sue" blizzard. Btw, what are your damages? You cant pay for something anymore that you dont legally own?

just because i agree to something does not make it legal. this happens all the time... where the language in a contract is not legal and can be forced to change in court

 

[samantha]

my boyfriend got banned. He used honorbuddy on a different computer to mine his mine in the garrison just to check it out. He has been banned for six months.